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    Chiropractic Diploma(DC) Vs. Doctor of Chiropractic Medicine(DCM)

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    This is an old battle, and I think I found a simple solution:

    Straight (Manual DCs) versus Evidence Based DCMs.
    DC (Diploma of Chiropractic) Vs. DCM (Doctor of Chiropractic Medicine)

    Actually did some online googling, found that the idea of DCM is not new, and was in wikipedia, actually referring to "allopathic" DCs with broad scope as Mixers as well...Also, interestingly, NUHS referes to their DC program as DCM (Doctor of Chiropractic Medicine)
    Doctor of Chiropractic Medicine

    Perhaps the best approach would be to have all these science based schools: NUHS/BU/Western states grant the DCM Degree. While Life/Sherman "straight" type colleges, grant the DC Diploma !

    Chiropractic education - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Although the U.S. Department of Education lists the D.C.M. (Doctor of Chiropractic Medicine) as a type of degree granted to chiropractors, the degree has never actually been conferred by any academic institution. The D.C.M. degree was first proposed by Western States Chiropractic College in 1994. Western States Chiropractic College had announced at the time its intentions of developing a post graduate D.C.M. training program that would prepare chiropractors to prescribe pharmaceuticals and perform minor surgery

    Versus:
    Your Best Chiropractic College | Sherman College of Chiropractic

    Similar thing happened in Osteopathy & still is:
    Osteopathy Diploma (Europe/Canada/Australia) vs. Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine (US)
    in Canada/Australia & Europe,Osteopathy, is a "Diploma" of Manual Practice & unlike the states, your scope is limited to Manual Practice, while in most US States, you will be granted a DO (they are trying to change it to DOM.) Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine, and your scope is similar to MD.
    This college is offering a DO(MP) or Diploma of Osteopathy:
    Southern Ontario College of Osteopathy (SOCO) Toronto ON

    So There you have it, situation solved....all you need is to implement it...I don't see any major opposition happening, after all the DCs will only be interested in Manual Rx, while the DCM will be integrated into mainstream and follow in the DO/MD Footsteps....

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    Here are three articles for you on the subject. However, realize they are from 1994. What ever happened to Western States plan to make a DCM degree is a mystery to me but these articles seem to hint that proponents of the DCM degree were afraid that the ACA was going to torpedo the idea.

    WSCC's Doctor of Chiropractic Medicine Program: Training Chiropractors to Provide Primary Care

    The DCM: Chiropractic Primary Care, Part II

    DCM -- A Final Look

    One thing that i would be afraid of with the DCM degree is a subluxation based chiropractor practicing with surgical rights. Clearly spinal manipulation is useless against conditions not relating to musculoskeletal problems but no real damage is being done if a chiro performs it on a patient that doesn't really need it. It might be a waste of money and a waste of time to get a manipulation for a "subluxation" but at the end of the day, you won't be any worse off. However, imagine if a chiropractor decided that he or she wanted to fix a subluxation with surgery. Without proper regulation, the implications would be scary.
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    Here is another article, far more recent, only about 2 months old. It doesn't discuss the DCM degree but it does look at the percentage of chiropractors that support prescription privileges (much higher than i expected), as well as other philosophical views of chiros.

    And notice how the percentage of chiros that support the use of subluxation treatment in their practices is about 77%, which while disturbingly high, is down from about 90% in the mid-1990's. Things are clearly changing, even if it is at a glacial pace.

    New Study Finds Unity in Chiropractic

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    DC is changing to DCM

    Chiropractic Diploma (DC) vs. Degree in Chiropractic Medicine (DCM).
    That will be a great thing for the Chiropractic profession, if they finally stop using the "subluxation" approach, and move in the direction of evidence based medicine....

    DCM should be embraced by the colleges that support EBM, and the governing bodies...

    then Manual Therapists/Practitioners can remain MT or MP and stick to their Hands only approach...

    At least that will be the end of the confusion...

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    UHSADOC, my concern with the DCM degree is that chiropractors would just be less qualified, poorly trained(by comparison), orthopedic surgeons. Wouldn't you much rather refer one of your patients that needed surgery done on the spine or elsewhere in the back, to an orthopedic surgeon, as opposed to a chiro with a DCM degree?

    I guess the same goes with medication. The proposed DCM degree would only allow chiropractors to prescribe muscle relaxants and pain medication. I feel like there would be many concerns that chiropractors wouldn't know enough about potential interactions than a medical doctor. Wouldn't it be preferable for a patient on that type of medication to be monitored by an MD or DO, which a broad based medical knowledge, as opposed to a chrio, who would be much more limited in their medical knowledge?

    Perhaps my knowledge of this area is lacking a bit and certainly you know far more about such issues than i do. Maybe it isn't a difficult as i am thinking to prescribe muscle relaxants or preform certain types of surgical procedures on the back, but from where i stand, it seems like there would be a lot of holes in this degree that would need to be plugged. And even if they were, why would a patient want to choose a DCM chiropractor over an orthopedic surgeon, a neurologist, or a GP for medicine or surgery?
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    Hell I think it would be better to just make chiropractic a medical specialty and be done with it.

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    DC plus One Year Mixed Hospital Internship idea ???

    DC to DCM or MSc with Mixed Hosptial Internship for Primary Care:

    Nah, I think the clinical years 3-4 are way different, if anything DCs should seek an option to become Primary care as the DOs, perhaps seek 1-2 year Advance Degree MSc ? that will give them the proper scope to do so ??
    MSc Biomedical Sciences ? with training in Pharmacology ! or utilize existing programs like PA/NP.....
    NUHS/CMCC etc...science based colleges and universities, should look at either changing the degree from DC to DCM or add a one to two year "Advance" Degree in Primary Care or Family Medicine type with clinical rotations....and use that degree to expand scope...

    That's what happened with DO's they had one year Hospital "mixed internship" and since then were embraced by the MDs...now DOs can pretty much enter all specialities....

    If DCs can do the same, why not ??


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    Hell I think it would be better
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    to just make chiropractic a medical specialty and be done with it.

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    I am planning to go for DCM (doctor of Chiropractor medicine). someone who knows DCM or working as DCM, Can you please tell me what is the career outlook as DCM? What are the advantages and disadvantages as being DCM. Thank you.

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    @hey25:

    Hey there, "hey." My advice to you, as someone who graduated last year from Palmer Iowa, I would strongly suggest considering another field OTHER than chiropractic. Our profession right now is in a great state of change. Many of us are fighting to change our profession and many are trying to stop us. This will take years to resolve, and probably won't completely resolve even in my lifetime (I'm early 30's). Chiropractic is a great thing, but it's just too crazy right now. Do yourself a favor, and save yourself a MAJOR headache and do something else. Unless however, you feel VERY strongly about chiropractic AND want to help us fight for an advanced scope at the state house

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    Quote Originally Posted by hey25 View Post
    I am planning to go for DCM (doctor of Chiropractor medicine). someone who knows DCM or working as DCM, Can you please tell me what is the career outlook as DCM? What are the advantages and disadvantages as being DCM. Thank you.
    DCM doesn't exist. It has been proposed many times but no school actually has a DCM program.

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