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    Chiropractor to MD or DO with a family

    Any Chiropractors going back to med school with a family, how do you do it? Most of us are no longer 20. I am 33, married with children. How do you go back to med school, or go to med school in the Caribbean with a family? Did you move your family to the Caribbean? What are the hours like? What about family time? Is there any? My oldest is 10. He'll be 18 when I am done with med school and residency. What kind of hours will I work during those? Any help, thoughts and experiences would be appreciated. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by bookite View Post
    I couldn't see myself doing spinal screenings at 40 yrs old
    Spinal screenings are a joke, I have never done one and never would. I was just curious as to some of the reasons for people leaving. I understand the part about being hungry to do more for a person. After 2 yrs I'm happy where I'm at. I found this forum because I have a little brother that goes to AUC in St Maarten and I was researching the school and such.

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    longchode is partly right

    environment (location) is important for some products and services. Michigan could grow oranges but does not because Florida grows them cheaper. However, low back injuries and those conditions most often seen by chiros occur all across the country, so one would think that all chiros would be relatively equal in their ability to earn a living no matter where they choose to live (afterall, our educational standards among the different colleges of chiro are standard, aren't they? or maybe not). As longchode correctly pointed out that is not the case. 2 people could graduate from chiro school, go to different states and have entirely different experiences with their practice. So the question for those who are smart enough to be either an MD, DO, DDS, OD, or DC is "would you like to be one who could practice in ANY state and attain the appropriate financial status for your education, skill, etc. or would you like to just practice in the state of NEBRASKA?

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    stay a DC

    When you fully accept and live a chiropractic lifestyle, you become a successfull chiropractor.

    People fully understand medical acts (aka: reactive acts). Instead, teach proactive acts, ie. maintaining a properly functioning spine and healthful lifestyle (includes nutrition). This is where chiropractic lives and thrives my man!

    Don't attempt to sell chiropractic (as some DC's do). Teach! Teach why they require spine correction care (example: 1-3x/week for 3 months) then spine wellness care (1-2x/month). Provide cash incentives (example: spine correction care= $1000 for 3 months, spine wellness care= $80 for 2x/month) The members of your office will accept this and respect you the same.

    Disease care is crisis care. These people reached crisis due to a lack of understanding of what their body really needs.

    Chiropractic adjustments free-up the bodys nervous system so that it can reach its full potential. Chiropractic lifestyle consultation instills the virtues of exercise, nutrition, and proper mental health.

    When you begin cruising in your patient numbers, you become high on helping people everyday, love your practice members, give...chiropractic!

    Seth Gross, DC

    500 pv/week

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    without words

    usually i can come up with something to say, but my response to this post is that i am....... speechless.

    khiro

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    Speechless here as well. Why would someone like that post this here??? Let alone have time seeing 500 visits a week.

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    simple!

    "Why would anyone post here if they see 500 pv/week?"

    Wow! You believe it not possible to help so many people in a week?

    Please don't take this personal my man. What I write next is directed to all the doctors of chiropractic (DC) who don't believe in themselves and what powers they inherit when becoming a DC.

    When you lack the understanding of your purpose as a DC, you will most certainly manifest the recipe to fail as a DC.

    I'll let the "Cat Out OF The Bag" here and go out on a limb, I'll allow you a glimps into my professional life.

    I live in a densely populated area of NY. My office is amongst a tangle of allopathathic venues (think of every medical dicipline).

    Why do so many professionals (teachers, lawyers, bankers, nurses, PA's, DDS, MD's, etc.) come to "Blue Mountain Family Chiropractic" for chiropractic health care? The assistant dean of a popular medical college is a member of my office!

    Because I believe in myself and chiropractic. These office members recieved the message and benefit chiropractic and what it has to offer the world. It is not different from one state to another. This is baloney! It matters in who's the delivery person. Have they grabbed the message?

    I don't know what chiropractic school you attended. Nor do I know who you hung around with during and after your education. These variables most likely contributed to your lack of mission or "Purpose".

    My collegues (DC) regularly see between 1000 to 3000 pv/week (Sigaffoose-Jackson Chiropractic of York, PA. and Robert Schiffman, DC of Atlanta, GA. respectively. The busiest doctor (of any type of doctor) in the U.S.A. is a DC (Robert Schiffman, DC) NYC DC's regularly see 1000 plus pv/week. I am not doing my best my man! I'm only seeing 500.

    Please, DC's to MD's! Put away your sickness care ideology and chemistry sets (pharm). You will not like what you see as an allopath. 250k Americans die each year (a gross underestimate) under allopathic and big pharma care.

    What! chiropractic dying? Chiropractic is the fastest growing health profession! Jump on it now. Retool yourself as a DC my man.

    "The power that made the body heals the body"

    Seth Gross, DC

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    Never meant anything bad by my comment, just wondering how you have time to post here and see 500 a week. I have no doubt you see that many, my mentor was seeing 700 a week until he decided to slow down. He did that for 20 yrs. I love being a chiropractor and love teaching it and getting RESULTS for my patients. I just lurk this board at times to read, and my brother is a med student at AUC and I like to read about that school. Just was wondering what your story was. School? Palmer Davenport.

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    500 ov a week

    oh my, i didn't read your chiropractic credentials. i really don't feel worthy to respond; as my top level is only serving 150, and that was many years ago in my youth. i do remember what that was like though, and sometimes miss the orderly chaos. the IRS misses it as well, since my taxes have dropped. i still believe that it is easier to be annointed in the medical field (orthopedists) versus chiropractic; however, both can exude arrogance.

    khiro

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    Caring not Arrogance

    I had a busy day and just arrived home (8 pm). And though my day was busy and I'm beat, I still reserve time to read and respond to this blog. Otherwise, believe it or not, there lies a good possibility that our lifestyles and interest are similar in many ways. My wife lets me blow off steam one day of the week to abuse the GI tract with chicken wings and suds at "Gentleman Jims Pub" (Pleasant Valley, NY).

    Today, a 70 y.o man referred to me with a dilapidated spine and a list of meds for bp, sugar, acid reflux, depression, and everything you can imagine under the sun...A list that would make big pharma proud. He said, "I like you Dr. Gross. Your the only doctor that disapproves of me taking medications, takes the time to teach me how to address my health issues and gives me hope". He asked "Would you speak before the seniors at my center?" My reply was "I will love to meet and speak before your senior center."

    Please forgive me if you feel I came off as arrogant. Look at it this way. You witness a DC who feels compelled to lend a helping hand to his fellow chiropractic doctors. I ask them to step out of their "Fearful Shoes" and have them understand that it is ok to stumble and trip, but get up again, recieve help, then carry on again. I was here myself! At one time I desperately needed help. My collegues reformed me from the ground up.

    Then it was my turn to return the favor. I've helped a few DC's regroup and adopt successful patient attraction methods and office procedures.

    To read "Chiropractic is dying..." Written by a DC? Well, besides disturbing, this is not the truth. In fact, the converse is true. Chiropractic is growing and thriving more than ever. Furthermore, chiropractic school enrollment is growing at such a pace that the biggest problem lies in procuring student loans due to this country's present lack of higher education lending issues.

    Last month I was a guest speaker at New Beginnings (a chiropractic organization). I met and spoke with Life University president Dr. Guy Reikman. Life University (formerly Life Chiropractic College and my alma mater) is undergoing a huge program and campus expansion due to public demand for chiropractic and strong enrollment.

    All types of doctors are retooling their collection methods and office procedures. No new news here my man.

    You wrote...Medicine is faring no better, but stands a better chance?

    Who ya kidding? Too many to count MD's are going out of business or reinventing themselves too.

    The only chance in surviving as either a DC or an MD is to get it straight, hopefully the first time.

    Adapt chiropractor! Hang out and shadow successful chiropractors. Low and behold, you'll see, you shall rise.


    I did, you will too!

    Be well,

    Seth Gross, DC

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    holistic;

    i can't say for sure that you specifically are arrogant. while all industries use figures and statistics to guage their business and plan for stategy, in the course of general conversation it is considered rude to spotlight your patient (or members) visit numbers. it serves not as information but rather to puff you up. we all know that the average chiropractic office sees well below 500/ov a week, so the question is; why do you see more? and since this forum is basically for those students seeking to enter chiropractic, the question should be could the majority of those who decide to choose chiropractic over the other professions expect to attain the same level of professional satisfaction in the areas of job enjoyment, security, and financial renumeration as you have? or if not the same level, at what level? and in all areas of the country, or just at your office area (where the average family income is 90k)? perhaps most future chiropractors should expect to move into your neighborhood. i am asking these questions not to receive an answer (at my age, i don't need one) but for the potential chiropractic student. if you can see 500ov a week more power to you, and i am being sincere in this. but this is not about you or me, is it? it is not about your office or mine. it really isn't about the practice of chiropractic (we chiros have experienced its successes), but it is about those perceptions and eventual realities of governmental and insurance restrictions solely b/c of who you are, and not having the political and financial resources (power) to make a positive difference in the lives of our patients and our profession.
    this is about the 20 year old who is making one of the most important decisions in their life; deciding on health care, and then narrowing that down to a single profession. while no one can be labeled as everyone, with my experience in practice, in my state, and in my town (with our economic status), unless someone has a very thorough understanding of the chiropractic profession and what is to come in their future, i advise very strongly to look to other professions (and depending on the circumstances perhaps even out of healthcare entirely). and that is not being fearful, but rather prudent and discerning.

    personally, i wish you the best in your practice.

    khiro

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