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    What to do if you can't get into a US Med School or Osteopat

    Many people coming to a forum like this have been beaten up in the process of trying to get into medical schools in the US. If they have tried the osteopathic school route and also failed to get in they are good candidates for offshore schools (the Osteopathic schools can be difficult to get into also).

    Some people look at the US govt. websites and they recommend alternative professions like chiropractic,nursing,etc.
    I have always wondered why people go to chiropractic
    school,in light of the massive information available
    showing it as a hard way to make a living. In addition
    you are facing a life of frustration in that your
    scope of practice won't allow you to do alot of what
    is needed to help your patient i.e. you can't give
    shots,you can't do surgery, you can't admit to a
    hospital. You end up as a second rate citizen, even
    when you are a nice person who has tried to gain
    education in the healing process.

    If you have a low MCAT or grad point average, even carib. schools are becoming harder for people to get admitted to. The schools are
    trying to take the best students they can i.e. best
    student meaning they test well but not necessarily are
    better care providers. If you aren't a person who
    scores 25-30 on your MCATS you are facing trouble in the US though some still get admitted if they have unique backgrounds or stories. You need sometimes to get some help packaging yourself.

    So what do you do? go to a
    reputable offshore school. The top 3 (the Harvards of
    the Carib.

    http://www.aucmed.edu/

    http://www.rossmed.edu/

    http://www.sgu.edu/

    If you can't get in there, you go to the second range
    schools:

    http://www.saba.edu/

    http://www.stmatthews.edu/

    http://www.stjamesmed.com/

    http://www.gdl.uag.mx/medicine/default.html

    If you get turned down there,it may be that you aren't going to become an MD. Don't waste your money with internet based medical schools or those located in fleabag locations--visit the school, consult state medical boards to see how they are regarded. If you can't get in to carib schools, then go to a
    physicians assistant school or nurse practicioner,etc.
    training that will allow you to help people and get
    paid a decent salary. Some people go back to school and show they can make the grades and then get into medical school.

    There are other alternative medical schools (the hybrid African recognized/England located schools St. Chris and Kigezi which have few grads yet and may have WHO approval problems in the future), the E. Europe schools and these are all additional alternatives if you still have fire in your belly to go to med school after having been turned down everywhere else.

    ValueMd is a great place to hear from students their experiences and even interact with State Board employees. It is all part of the education process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rrod
    a sports rehab complex and that is either before overhead, massive hmo contracts, or 6 visits a day per patient...if i could make 500k without a college degree why go through med school?
    this is sort of like the fabled 'I bought a Mercedes from a guy's wife who caught him cheating for $100..she wanted to get even' type story...it must happen but it is pretty rare.

    I have a chiropractor friend in Phoenix who has made the big money over the years,invested well, and works 3 days/week also...but the eroding insurance payment (the most important thing since people are reluctant to pay for services themselves), the limiting of number of times you can see a chiropractor, and the competition for patients by medical/physical therapy clinics,etc. and the oversupply of chiropractors means that it isn't a guaranteed thing anymore.

    Do a search on yahoo and read about chiropractors having problems finding jobs...working for $12/hour for other chiroprctors,etc. and it will remind you that med school is a good place to be....the number of DC's who are on this forum these days also are an indication.....old guys (40-50's) going back to school because they see their 'gravy train' is over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrod
    a sports rehab complex and that is either before overhead, massive hmo contracts, or 6 visits a day per patient...if i could make 500k without a college degree why go through med school?
    Here are some 'practice' building ideas you can listen to by calling in on chiroview

    http://www.chiropracticgateway.com/g...tschedule.aspx
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    my favorite

    "what to say when a patient is no longer in pain but has not completed their treatment"

    it should read what to do when the pain is gone but the limits on the policy haven't run out yet....
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    RROD, You obviously don't understand the difference between correcting a disorder and hiding it. That is the way most doctors of medicine seem to think. This is what you said:

    "what to say when a patient is no longer in pain but has not completed their treatment"

    it should read what to do when the pain is gone but the limits on the policy haven't run out yet.... "

    You can't just release a patient from care when they feel fine. You OBJECTIVELY treat a patient. I assume you have been to a dentist? Why? Do you going when your teeth hurt? Would you believe you had a cavity if the dentist said you did, but the tooth did not hurt? Is it ok to tell a diabetic patient to eat what they want now that they have no ulcers on their legs? Is it ok to walk on a spiral fracture of the tibia when the pt feel fine 2 weeks post-surgery? Every patient I have MUST pay their co-pay. They MUST pay the deductible. And, if their benefits run out, they will be paying out of pocket. Otherwise, they are not serious about their health. I NEVER have a problem with patients, even if they are cash, because they understand why they are their and correction is what they need. If you want temporary relief.....just take an aspirin! I am there to CORRECT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prsch132
    RROD, You obviously don't understand the difference between correcting a disorder and hiding it. That is the way most doctors of medicine seem to think. This is what you said:

    "what to say when a patient is no longer in pain but has not completed their treatment"

    it should read what to do when the pain is gone but the limits on the policy haven't run out yet.... "

    You can't just release a patient from care when they feel fine. You OBJECTIVELY treat a patient. I assume you have been to a dentist? Why? Do you going when your teeth hurt? Would you believe you had a cavity if the dentist said you did, but the tooth did not hurt? Is it ok to tell a diabetic patient to eat what they want now that they have no ulcers on their legs? Is it ok to walk on a spiral fracture of the tibia when the pt feel fine 2 weeks post-surgery? Every patient I have MUST pay their co-pay. They MUST pay the deductible. And, if their benefits run out, they will be paying out of pocket. Otherwise, they are not serious about their health. I NEVER have a problem with patients, even if they are cash, because they understand why they are their and correction is what they need. If you want temporary relief.....just take an aspirin! I am there to CORRECT.
    where we have problems is that I believe chiropractic care has shown to be effective in only limited ways...i.e. lower back pain..and even that can be treated by osteopaths more effectively (meds and manipulation) and by PT's. Basically in many people's view chiropractic is fairly underpowered in doing much more than giving temporary 'feeling better' feelings. read the stuff at:

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    i was just being cynical, i thought it was a funny statement and have seen similar ones at medical conferences "getting the most out of medicare billing" and such. i have no doubt that chiros help people the image is just so tarnished! beleive me when i worked in a docs office there was nothing i liked more than to send patients with non-complicated aches and pains to a chiro for manipulation and epidural shots, if it were allowed but anytime i sent anyone to chiro practices they ended up using their 10 vistits under hmo contract in two weeks no matter how severe or mild it was and hassiling me for referral overrides which 99.9% of the time were denied by the medical director for lack of medical nesessity, one practice even had them see a optometrist, dentist, and a podiatrist the same day at the same complex without my authorization! wonder what kind of kick back he got. after that i talked to the medical director and changed office policy to only refer to ortho and neuro so the bad element in the profession is ruining it for a lot of new chiros. the dysfunction, bickering and difference in treatment theory in your professional organization will make it impossible to lobby for a change in law to grant limited prescription privilidges to you like the psychologists are doing for psych meds
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    chiro

    Do you ever think before you talk. Who made you the self proclaimed expert on chirpractic. I know you have friends apparently that are chiro's but you take every opportunity you can at discrediting the proffession. Why do I bother?

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    good question

    Remember: personal insults are a violation of TOS and may result in warnings or banning. Also endless arguing in public is nothing so much as chronically trying to get the last word in. I hate to break it to you but no gets "enlightened" by heated arguments.
    So "good question" is an answer to your question "why bother".
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