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    I read through several recent threads here and am very disillusioned by what I'm reading. There was some guy making outrageous claims about getting ripped off, another thread about unqualified teachers, and then apparent banter about it being ok to lie. Firstly, are there any CMU administrators on this forum that can comment accurately about some of the accusations being forwarded?

    Im a prospective student, I've been accepted at CMU, I've spoken at length with their admissions dept. They appeared legit and told me everything I needed to hear to seriously consider their program. How can the CMU administration allow thier students to post such damaging information about their conduct without responding? I don't want to jeopardize my chances of getting in, and honestly I am not sure if I should even be commenting on this, but I just don't know who or what to believe.

    The one guy who claimed he got swindled sounded extremely educated and frankly didn't sound like some of the goons that come on these forums and are clearly trolling or telling me in the same breath to consider another competitor. This guy seems to be legit. The CMU administrator sounded like he had no clue what was actually going on.

    I have a few valid concerns: Am i going to be kicked out of CMU and forfeit my tution if for confronting my CMU professors or administrators?

    Is it true that I might be at risk for losing this deposit or tuition if CMU decides to change its policies after I have been accepted and matriculated?

    Based on what I have read, it appears so. From what I understand, CMU is saying that they reserve the right to boot any students that they feel are substandard AFTER they have already been accepted and after they have been enrolled. Thats a seriously concerning comment to make. Can they please clarify...because it would appear that they are incentivized then to change their policies so they can boot a certain percentage of students and retain their tutions. I read through the academic contract carefully that they asked me to sign and its states very clearly that they reserve the right to change their policies at any time. Thats means if suddenly they decided to exclude all students from say India or Canada, who is to say they can't just change their policies so all Indians and Canadians are no longer eligible to graduate?

    I think I'm entitled to know the inherent risks involved. For many of us, these money is our life savings or parents life savings and what little chance we have to escape poverty. How can CMU be so silent about such a sensitive issue. Looking for some asnwers, thanks

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    Dear McSween:

    Congrats on your acceptance to CMU. There are CMU moderators and students, like myself, that are actively check this forum to ensure students like you have their questions addressed. I can't comment on the experiences of others except for my own.

    I can tell you that ANY institution will have negative and positive posts in such forums. My transfer to CMU has been the BEST thing that has happened to me. One of the principle reasons I transferred to this school was because they helped build a payment plan that worked for me. I invested MY BLIND TRUST in this school and I have not been disappointed. So, I can relate to where are you coming from.

    However, at some point in time you are going to have to trust your gut and go with blind faith. I closed my eyes and picked CMU, I went with my gut-and my gut was right.

    To address your questions:

    I have a few valid concerns: Am i going to be kicked out of CMU and forfeit my tution if for confronting my CMU professors or administrators?

    I don't think you will confront situations that will reciprocate you being kicked out of an institution. If you have a problem with a professor or administrator, address it with the school. When I felt a rotation was not suitable to my standards, I voiced my concerns with the clinical department and they responded to my queries within 24 hours.

    Is it true that I might be at risk for losing this deposit or tuition if CMU decides to change its policies after I have been accepted and matriculated?

    Your deposit goes towards your tuition. In my experience with the school (from a clinical sciences standpoint) CMU policies that have changed were academic implementations, like taking a Shelf exam at the end of a rotation or mandatory attendance to meetings/conferences.

    If you have questions just PM me.
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    Hi McSween
    As you have probably noted, that user has been permanently banned by VMD moderators for TOS violation. The thread has been closed. Obviously any medical school has a right to revoke acceptance but it happened once this year to that particular student for valid reasons of substandard academic record and behavioral issues not because we have changed our policies. so statistically your chances of being dismissed are 1 out of 240 accepted students. That particular students was offered full seat deposit refund however due to his action, the case has been forwarded to the legal department.

    You don't have to pay full tuition before attending. You can sign up for a payment plan and if you, for whatever reason come to the campus, and decide to withdraw before the beginning of the semester, you will receive a full refund of the first installment. Im positive it wont happen to you because so far only 2 students did not matriculate this year out of over 300 enrolled.
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    SOMETHING STINKS HERE. hey CMU, I've been following this and the other threads that are alleging this infractions against CMU and I need some clarification. You said that you revoked medlaw's admission due to a substandard academic record and behavioral issues. However, I've read numerous times that medlaw was never actually enrolled at CMU. He is saying that he was accepted in January 2014 and that he paid $1000 seat deposit. He then says that you revoked his acceptance in June 2014 before he even matriculated. He states very clearly that he never paid his full tuition, that he never stepped foot in a classroom. You have never denied that fact.

    You allege you revoked his admission because of 'behavioral issue' yet he never even stepped foot in a rotation. HOW CAN YOU REVOKE HIS ADMISSION FOR BEHAVIORAL ISSUES IF YOU'VE NEVER EVEN SEE HIM PERFORM IN A CLINICAL SETTING? please explain.

    You allege you revoked his admission because of "substandard academic record', yet he alleges he never received a single grade from your administration. You have never denied that fact. his academic record was based entirely on prior education at a different school. He alleges you had all that information. You have never disputed that fact.

    You accepted him in January. That means that you had to have known about his prior academic record, and at the time you accepted him felt that his prior academic record was not preclusive of an offer of admission. WHAT ARE YOU BASING YOUR STATEMENTS ON? I FEEL LIKE I AM BEING DECEIVED. THE MORE I HEAR YOUR EXPLANATIONS, THE MORE I AM INCLINED TO BELIEVE THAT WHAT MEDLAW IS ASSERTING IS TRUE.

    THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION HERE IS WHAT ALL HAS CHANGED BETWEEN JAN 2014 and JUNE 2014 REGARDING MEDLAWS 'BEHAVIOR' and 'ACADEMIC RECORD' THAT PROMPTED YOU TO TAKE ACTION AGAINST HIM??? IT APPEARS THAT THERE IS NO RATIONAL BASIS FOR THE REVOCATION BASED ON HIS ACADEMIC OR CLINICAL PERFORMANCE IN HIS USUAL COURSE OF BUSINESS AS A MED STUDENT. IF THATS TRUE YOUR ACTIONS HAVE TO BE ADMINISTRATIVELY RETALIATORY.

    And lastly, are you suggesting that you are acknowledging that you acted illegally with regard to this medlaw guy, but because it only happens 'rarely' according you (1 out of 240) that I shouldn't be worried? Thats absurd. You are essentially admitting that you are corrupt and abusive but (ahem) 'infrequently'. And cadmd4 you said "to trust your gut and go with blind faith. I closed my eyes and picked CMU"...are you serious with that statement? I should close my eyes and invest $100k+ !!!??? Perhaps I misunderstood your point.

    AND IF I AM #2 OUT OF 240 THAT GETS RIPPED OFF THEN WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO SAY? THAT I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER???

    On behalf of all the prospective CMU matriculants out here on VMD, I am demanding an explanation. What your asserting isn't adding up. Medlaw stated he got a letter from your Academic Dean R*J* and that you revoked his admission because he declined to file a leave of absence request retroactively at the threat of being charged late tuition fees. YES or NO? Please asnwer that directly.

    Second, he states that you claimed he attempted to put dean RJ in touch with the ECFMG to verify his credentials and for that you alleged he was "dictating policy'. TRUE OR FALSE? Please asnwer that directly as well.

    SOME STRAIGHTFORWARD ANSNWERS WOULD GO A LONG WAY.

    Personally, i want a student body that is assertive, educated, due diligent, and informed. Thats the kind of doctors I want to trust my health with. Not a doctor who closes his eyes and takes a stab in the dark. It appears that this guy medlaw was actually educating you about ECFMG policy and it appears that you tried to shake him down for more money unless he comitted what appears to be a false academic record.

    It is well known that administrations in Caribbean have been abusive charging penalties, late fees, etc. Curious what percentage of tuition of the average graduate or non-graduate at your school is copmprised of penalties and late fees?

    ONE LAST POINT. MEDLAW IS NOT ASKING TO BE ADMITTED, HE IS ASKING SIMPLY FOR A REFUND. HAD YOU RETURNED HIS MONEY I DOUBT WE"D EVEN BE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION. SO WHY DID YOU WAIT TWO MONTHS FOR HIM TO GO PUBLIC WITH HIS GRIEVANCE? WHY DIDN"T YOU RETURN HIS MONEY RIGHT AWAY? SHOULD I EXPECT THE SAME REGARDING MY TRANSCRIPTS AND DIPLOMA FROM YOUR SCHOOL? DO YOU HOLD THOSE HOSTAGE LIKE THE HORROR STORIES WE"VE READ ELSEWHERE?

    IF MEDLAWs ASSERTING THAT YOU RIPPED HIM OFF AND HE JUST WANTS HIS MONEY BACK. AND YOU ARE ASSERTING THAT HE DID NOT PASS MUSTER... WHY DO I NOT SEE YOUR ASSERTION AS A DEFENSE AGAINST THE CHARGES HE IS BRINGING?

    HE PAID $1000 FOR HIS SEAT. THAT SEAT WAS HIS. IT APPEARS THAT YOU GAVE HIS SEAT TO SOMEONE ELSE. YOU DIDN"T JUST REVOKE HIS ADMISSION, YOU GAVE AWAY HIS SEAT. HE HAD PAID YOU $1000 FOR THAT SEAT. DIDN"T YOUR ATTORNEY ADVISE YOU THAT YOU CANNOT LEGALLY DO THAT? YOU MUST RETURN HIS MONEY, LESS THAT SEAT IS STILL LEGALLY HIS. AND YOU LIKELY CHARGED SOME OTHER UNSUSPECTING APPLICANT ANOTHER $1000 FOR THE SAME SEAT. YOU SOLD THE SAME SEAT TO TWO PEOPLE SIMULATNEOUSLY. LAST I CHECKED THAT WASN'T LEGAL. YOU CAN RATIONALIZE IT ALL YOU WANT CMU, BUT I THINK YOU GUYS REALLY SCREWED UP HERE AND HAVE NECESSARILY PUT EVERYONE AT CMU IN JEOPARDY AS A RESULT. AND WORSE, INSTEAD OF ADMITTING THE MISTAKE AND ABUSE AND APOLOGIZING FOR IT, YOU LAWYERED UP AND HAVE BEEN DENYING EVERTHING.

    THAT STRATEGY DIDN"T WORK SO WELL FOR JOHN AND PATSY RAMSEY, CMU. IT KEPT THEM OUT OF JAIL, BUT SURE DIDN"T KEEP THEM IN BUSINESS. I WOULD SERIOUSLY CONSIDER RETHINKING YOUR STRATEGY AND NOT LETTING YOUR ATTORNEY TAKE YOU TO THE BANK. THERE IS NO WAY BASED ON WHAT I AM SEEING THAT YOUR POSITION IS DEFENSIBLE. PLEASE DON"T SCREW IT UP FOR EVERYBODY AT CMU WHO HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS MATTER, BUT WHO ARE NECESSARY EXPOSED BY YOUR ADMINISTRATIVE MISCONDUCT. TELL DEAN RJ TO HAVE THE STRENGTH OF CHARACTER TO ADMIT HE WAS WRONG, RETURN THE POOR GUYS MONEY, AND MOVE ON. YOU APPEAR TO BE THE ONES WHO ARE MAKING THIS FAR BIGGER A DEAL THAN IT NEEDS TO BE. JUST DO THE RIGHT THING.

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    Moderator,

    How can we tell if the people posting on this thread are not the same person with different accounts, or people who were Permanently Banned recently have opened new accounts and continue to post here.

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    Good Afternoon All:
    I would like to share my personal experience with CMU. Since the beginning, RJ & DH have been forthright, honest and transparent. I attended a U.S. medical school and completed my first year at the top 10% of my class. Unfortunately, I had to leave due to a serious family tragedy. Afterwords I went to the Caribbean to complete my basic sciences. Therefore I am qualified to attest to the standard of academia regarding CMU compared to U.S. medical school. Furthermore, I am going to address medlaws concerns and the fact that that poster has multiple accounts.

    This is what I know to be true. I am a Clinical student preparing for Step 1 & I have known RJ personally for 2 years. He & his family are honest, direct and caring. I have board certified docs in my family that have spoken with RJ and found him to be honest and direct. The school goes out of it's way to help those students that are in need. If it is regarding financial aid, clinical rotations ect..pick up the phone and call. There is no other school in the Caribbean that can offer 72 week, back to back ALL ACGME rotations. This is fact. DH answers all questions & concerns regarding clinical education. Fact. Pick up the phone and call him.

    As for medlaw. If you truly were denied admittance after requesting a leave of absence, then, by all rights you should be refunded your money. I have read all of your posts and found it odd that you have multiple accounts. If you have paid your seat deposit and admin fees and were unable to attend, did you fill out the proper paperwork? Did you contact Chicago and let them know what was going on? Why would we deny a student that clearly has the ability to pass Step 2 and begin clinical's? There are many inconsistencies with your claims. I urge you to contact me directly and verify your problems. I will help you in any way to resolve this issue. As a clinical student, I want as many like minded individuals next to me learning clinical medicine and representing the school in the manor befitting an institution of medical academia.
    Does CMU have faults auntminnie? Yes, every school does. However, the only way to fix the problem is to reach out and ask for help.
    It is also of note that you reference the Ramsey case. Why would you compare a murder investigation with a student who is having administrative issues? Why are you so concerned about what is going on? Do you know, personally, who medlaw is? You seem very upset with what you have read regarding a person with whom you have no direct association? Hmm..who are you? medlaw under a new username?

    It is my hope that if medlaws claims are true, that person can contact me directly for verification of my status and legitimacy. As a student, I want colleagues that value education & honesty. Together, we can resolve this issue properly.

    As for any other potential student wishing to speak to a real clinical student from CMU, by all means reach out. I wish you all the best in your future academic endeavors.
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    Good Afternoon All:
    I would like to share my personal experience with CMU. Since the beginning, RJ & DH have been forthright, honest and transparent. I attended a U.S. medical school and completed my first year at the top 10% of my class. Unfortunately, I had to leave due to a serious family tragedy. Afterwords I went to the Caribbean to complete my basic sciences. Therefore I am qualified to attest to the standard of academia regarding CMU compared to U.S. medical school. Furthermore, I am going to address medlaws concerns and the fact that that poster has multiple accounts.

    This is what I know to be true. I am a Clinical student preparing for Step 1 & I have known RJ personally for 2 years. He & his family are honest, direct and caring. I have board certified docs in my family that have spoken with RJ and found him to be honest and direct. The school goes out of it's way to help those students that are in need. If it is regarding financial aid, clinical rotations ect..pick up the phone and call. There is no other school in the Caribbean that can offer 72 week, back to back ALL ACGME rotations. This is fact. DH answers all questions & concerns regarding clinical education. Fact. Pick up the phone and call him.

    As for medlaw. If you truly were denied admittance after requesting a leave of absence, then, by all rights you should be refunded your money. I have read all of your posts and found it odd that you have multiple accounts. If you have paid your seat deposit and admin fees and were unable to attend, did you fill out the proper paperwork? Did you contact Chicago and let them know what was going on? Why would we deny a student that clearly has the ability to pass Step 2 and begin clinical's? There are many inconsistencies with your claims. I urge you to contact me directly and verify your problems. I will help you in any way to resolve this issue. As a clinical student, I want as many like minded individuals next to me learning clinical medicine and representing the school in the manor befitting an institution of medical academia.
    Does CMU have faults auntminnie? Yes, every school does. However, the only way to fix the problem is to reach out and ask for help.
    It is also of note that you reference the Ramsey case. Why would you compare a murder investigation with a student who is having administrative issues? Why are you so concerned about what is going on? Do you know, personally, who medlaw is? You seem very upset with what you have read regarding a person with whom you have no direct association? Hmm..who are you? medlaw under a new username?

    It is my hope that if medlaws claims are true, that person can contact me directly for verification of my status and legitimacy. As a student, I want colleagues that value education & honesty. Together, we can resolve this issue properly.

    As for any other potential student wishing to speak to a real clinical student from CMU, by all means reach out. I wish you all the best in your future academic endeavors.

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    I am a clinical student & can attest they do not kick out students for standing up for what they believe in. If you have an issue, please contact administration immediately. You can also contact me & I will tell you my personal experience. Take the time to read my posts regarding this matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MD.IMG View Post
    I am a clinical student & can attest they do not kick out students for standing up for what they believe in. If you have an issue, please contact administration immediately. You can also contact me & I will tell you my personal experience. Take the time to read my posts regarding this matter.
    You are a phony. Post history said you failed out of Avalon. Then you say said avoid CMU in one of your posts. So weird.

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    Excuse me?

    Quote Originally Posted by thxleave View Post
    You are a phony. Post history said you failed out of Avalon. Then you say said avoid CMU in one of your posts. So weird.
    I never failed out of any medical school. Nor, did I mention CMU. It is clear you are unable to read.

    Best of luck.
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