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    Prospective Students Beware of CMU Administrative Retaliation and Ripoff

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    I was accepted at CMU in January as a transfer student. I paid a $100 application fee and a $1000 seat deposit. I was put in Touch with Dr. S****. H****., the Clinical Coordinator who operates under his LLC called the H**** Medical Group. I spoke with Dean R*** J****** personally before I was accepted and it was clear he had not read an iota of my application. In fact he placed me in the wrong clinical semester, and was promptly corrected by S. H. who explained to him that Clinicals Start in MD5 at CMU. It was not reassuring to see the Dean so unfamiliar with the clinical curriculum. I engaged in several conversations with S. H. over the course of several weeks regarding scheduling my clinical rotations in Chicago for this summer. Since I was accepted in January he said I should expect to receive tuition bills and that I should just ignore them. He asserted that I could enroll at any time as an MD5 and that I would not be assessed a late fee. As May approached and my full tuition was coming due, I requested reasonable assurance that once I had paid my tuition in full that I would be placed in Chicago. Dr. S. H. stated that he could not provide this assurance and that I would have to speak with Dean R. J. again, the Academic Dean. I contacted Dean R. J. and he said that he had concerns about my eligibility to apply my prior credits. I had been given assurance by ECFMG rep in Philadelphia that my credits were applicable toward the credentials requirement and I brought this to Dean R. J's attention. Just a day or so later, I got a demand from the school to sign a statement agreeing to a leave of absence. They said that it was necessary to avoid a late payment on tuition. This assertion directly contradicted the assurances I received from Clinical Dean S**** H*****. I copied the correspondence between myself and S**** H**** pertaining to this matter, and heard no reply. I explained that I was reluctant to sign a leave of absence agreement, because I wasn't even technically enrolled in their school. how can I take a 'leave of absence' if im not even an official matriculant? It was rediculous. A few days later, I get a letter from Dean R*** J****** that they have terminated my candidacy for, inter alia, arguing with the administration, 'dictating policies', and failure to submit documentation of my test scores, which my email records showed had already been submitted. There was no mention of the initial reason for the delay regarding the ECFMG credential issue. The letter indicated that they would be refunding my seat deposit. Its been over 45 days and I've received nothing. S**** H***** refuses to return my calls or emails. A total scam.

    I am left to conclude the following. The CMU administration is run very poorly. There are major disconnects between their financial officers and admin on the island and Clinical Dean S. H. Dean S. H. made assurances that were not upheld by the admin even when it was brought to their attention. Furthermore, it was clear from the email exchanges that Academic Dean R. J's decision to terminate my candidacy rested solely on the fact that I had attempted to assert my rights as a student. For those of you who may be new to FM schools, taking leaves of absence reflects poorly on your academic caliber and might be a point of criticism when you apply for residencies. They will want to know why you were forced to take a leave. In general it is not favorable. The fact that this school was willing to jeopardize my candidacy for residency in order to satisfy their internal billing departmental policies highlights a major conflict of interest. I am forced to conclude that you cannot trust what Dr S H**** asserts, nor can I trust Dean R J****** to administer justly. In addition to the issues I discuss above, Dean S. H. also attempted to sell me a story about how the importance of Greenbook over Bluebook rotations are a myth. That is a bold assertion and not backed up by any evidence. Dean R. J. is a retaliatory Dean who has a vague at best grasp of the curriculum and clearly subordinates the interests of his students.

    In all I see the termination of my candidacy as a blessing in disguise, because I'm glad I was able to discover how totalitarian and irreverent this administration was prior to tendering the $50k it would have cost me to complete my degree there. No doubt the horror stories you hear from students whose transcripts are withheld, etc are from renegade and corrupt administrations like CMU. To think that Dean R. J. sits on boards that decide how moneys are allocated to poor and underserved areas in the Caribbean is incomprehensible. The man apparently hasn't a shred of compassion in him. He had zero regard the detrimental reliance he creates for his prospective students that he arbitrarily terminates. I must assure you that I have suffered significant damages as a result. I had uprooted my family of four in order to relocate to Chicago from abroad. Both my wife and I left our jobs. I communicated this to Dean R. J. and S. H. and there was no reply. Nothing. So much for compassion. No moneys were returned.

    By the way, should you ask either Dean R. J. or Dean S. H. where they obtained their MD degree from and they will not provide this information. That should have been a large enough red flag from the start. Anybody out there in VALUEMDland can back up an answer to this question with evidence? I attempted to contact ECFMG and they couldn't provide this information. Nondisclosure of their degree granting body is a clear conflict of interest for prospective students who want to perform due diligence on their administration. They should be upfront and open, unless they are hiding something. No other admin with whom I spoke had been so secretive about their credentials. Im sure further investigation would uncover the rationale.

    So to all you prospective students who are considering CMU... consider the following. This school accepted me without so much as reading through my application. They took my $1000 without hesitation and immediately began billing me for full tuition before the ink was dry on my seat reservation check. They materially breached a valid academic contract and caused my family thousands in damages. They made assurances that my $1000 would be returned and have made no affirmative effort to return it. Should you be so desperate as to have no other choice but to enroll here, and I feel sorry for you if that's the case, but certainly do not judge you by any stretch, you should be forewarned that should you attempt to assert your student rights, or so much as be assertive in front of the administration, they may in Putin-esque fashion retaliate against you, and possibly pull the rug right out from under you. And they wont think twice. Personally, I would never put myself under such a dictatorship. I know too much about for profit medical schools and their tactics to shake students down for additional revenue. Curious how many others out there were scammed out of $1100 like i was? I doubt I am the only one. Hopefully more of you will come forward. And as a final word to this new topic, I am near certain that some proCMU voice is going to come out of the woodwork to try and discredit me or tell me how I am the only one who has been screwed. If its the former, hunker down because I will post legal dockets to back up my assertions, and will not stop until you are exposed for the propaganda artist you are; or if the latter, and even if it proves true that I am the only one who has been scammed like this, one victim is enough to tarnish the reputation of an upstart school like CMU.

    It is sad that I had to resort to a public forum to have my victimization heard, and the CMU admin could not make so much as a minimal effort to rectify this through the normal channels of communication. BEWARE, and Caveat Emptor to all prospective students. I will update this post if CMU ever decides to return my money or if it takes a civil action to get them to budge.
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    What rip off are you talking about??? There were 148 students enrolled last semester and all of them except you who was dismissed from the program are happy students receiving their education. We have a right to refuse admission to substandard students and thats all that happened. Because of the fact that you were revoked admission, you have been issued a refund check. We will be as much happy as you for you not attending our program.
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    Misrepresentation on your part to CMU, perhaps?

    Does your official record match your self reported application and emails? Did you fail step 1 and refuse to provide an official score to CMU? Were you dismissed from your prior program? Are there other red flags on your official transcript from basic sciences, such as failed classes?

    Did any other school accept you for direct admission to clinicals?

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    Why is it necessary to be Anonymous if you are a CMU Administrator?

    Quote Originally Posted by CMU View Post
    What rip off are you talking about??? There were 148 students enrolled last semester and all of them except you who was dismissed from the program are happy students receiving their education. We have a right to refuse admission to substandard students and thats all that happened. Because of the fact that you were revoked admission, you have been issued a refund check. We will be as much happy as you for you not attending our program.

    In response to the "Administrator" or "Administratix" who has come forward in the defense of S ***** and Dean J******, I offer the following. The rip off I am regarding is the $1100 that was tendered to CMU for both an application fee, and a seat reservation pursuant to an academic contract, that was expressly stated in a formal letterhead with Dean J******'s signature on it, that was never returned. That is by definition a rip off. Having unilaterally breached our contract for my matriculation, and thereby keeping my consideration, is a tort and possibly even a fraud depending on whether or not this has been done to students prior. If indeed this post has gotten the attention of the CMU administration, feel free to remedy the circumstances by returning the money. You claim that "you have been issued a refund check". That is simply untrue. No refund check has been received. Should that change or should the CMU admin want to provide a tracking number or contact me privately to disclose the details of the check, I will gladly confirm and update this posting accordingly. At this time, I firstly want my moneys returned. And secondly, CMU needs to be held accountable for its administrative abuses. Let the marketplace be the trier of fact. The truth will be posted for all to see.

    And while you sir or madam, are quick to assert that I am the only one who has been treated in this way, lets allow the community some reasonable time to come forward. The fact that you feel qualified to assert that all 148 of CMU matriculants last semester are "happy" shows the presumptuous propaganda that is often synonymous with a corrupt administration. Please note, I never criticized CMU for having unhappy students. This comment that 148 are happy is irrelevant. The comment that you are happy I am not in the program is mutually felt. The real truth surfaces when we analyze why both of us are happy. CMU is happy because students like myself who keep the admin honest are a threat to its totalitarian and abusive modus operandi and generalized disorganization. Im happy because I saved myself a huge headache and possibly a retaliatory expulsion which would have certainly ended my prospects for completing my MD. Im certain that if Dean R. J. and CMU were so quick to terminate our academic contract during these enrollment stages, Deam R. J. would have not hesitated to expell me if indeed I was unwilling to accept CMU's administrative demands (ie) taking an official leave of absence when I had not even stepped foot in a clerkship or classroom in order to satisfy its lenders or financial protocols. It simply boils down to S H****'s word. If S H**** tells me to ignore the bills and that I can matriculate at any time, and that doesn't happen, its on him and CMU. Period. S H***** has a duty to make sure that the assurances he provides is backed up with respective actions. In my case it was not, and he remained silent while my family and I took the fall.

    And just to reiterate, I accused CMU of impropriety, breach of academic contract, illegally retaining my seat deposit, and retaliating against a prospective student who attempted to assert his student rights and hold S H***** accountable for his assurances. To all the students out there reading this-- If we don't keep the administration honest who will? There is no regulatory body overseeing the Caribbean. Heck, the borders and sovereignty of those islands are changing so quickly, its difficult to even keep up with who is actually in authority. The students and the federal government who is funding these institutions are the lifeline of upstart schools like CMU. If CMU ticks off enough of its students and they like myself have the to post these misgivings, CMU will be forced to correct its abuses. The fact that CMU operates without compassion toward its prospective students is a disgrace. Every prospective student who is incurring significant expense to attend CMU should be aware of the risks and uncertainty of their matriculation. If It happened to me, it could happen to you. Apparently, academic contracts can be unilaterally revoked in CMU code of laws without regard to detrimental reliances of the other party. I can assure you that is not the case in the US court jurisdictions where CMU has offices and conducts its business.

    Your defense of CMU's actions asserting that I am a substandard student and why my seat was revoked is without merit. Jackson's letter explicitly indicated that the revocation was due to factors that I explained in my prior post, and nowhere did it include any hint of be unqualified or "substandard" as you assert. Your commentary is a blatant lie, libelous, and should further discredit you (whoever you are).

    And lastly, I have what I feel is a pertinent question for this forum to contemplate. Why is it that as a self-proclaimed "administrator" at CMU you feel the need to remain anonymous? You responded to my post within hours. It would appear you are attempting to portray yourself as a representative of the CMU administration. However, you chose to remain under a pseudonym. That should generate a healthy level of skepticism. If indeed you truly are a CMU staff or paid PR employee, please kindly refer this post to Dean R. J******, and let him know the following. If I haven't received a written reassurance of when I am to receive both the $1000 seat deposit back that he promised me, and the $100 admission fee returned within 7 days, I will be filing an action through a court of competent jurisdiction to reclaim my funds. And I will publicize the docket and case details for all to see. Its one thing to make fictitious statements to clear CMU's name on this forum where even suspected Administrators don't come forward, But its entirely something else when you've got a US court documenting your torts and punitive remedies for all to see ON THE RECORD. Again, its like I've said all along let the marketplace be the trier of fact.
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    Sadly, I believe this. There was another dean who had similar issues, did not know the processes, and routinely "lost things in the mix," and after being appropriately questioned, he attempted to turn blame where there was none. I do not believe he is at the institution any longer, but I would have hoped things would have improved with his departure. Unfortunately, it does not seem that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cavalier View Post
    Misrepresentation on your part to CMU, perhaps?

    Does your official record match your self reported application and emails? Did you fail step 1 and refuse to provide an official score to CMU? Were you dismissed from your prior program? Are there other red flags on your official transcript from basic sciences, such as failed classes?

    Did any other school accept you for direct admission to clinicals?

    Based on his lines of questioning, I have reason to believe that the poster who goes by Cavalier is either Clinical Administrator S. H., Dean R. J. or another one of CMU staff. I say this because Cavalier references documents that were claimed by Dean R. J. to have never been received, yet, were submitted with my original application. Your insinuated accusations of misrepresentation, Cavalier, are again without merit. Much like "Adminstrator's" attempts to justify the revocation of my seat due to me being a "substandard" applicant, nowhere in Academic Dean R J's letter of revocation did he justify his withdrawal of my seat was due to any misrepresentation. Rather he references me "being argumentative", and "dictating policy and terms of my enrollment". Since when is being argumentative or standing up for one's rights a grounds for revocation of an academic contract? On the other hand, Cheating, Sexual Harassment, Inapppropriate sexual relations with ones students or staff, sure, I could see these offenses as forming a grounds for punitive action. But being argumentative? Really?


    Considering all my exchanges with CMU had been via email, I don't think Dean R. J. meant to say 'harrassing or verbally abusive'. No he meant just what he wrote.. "Arugmentative". Well, Dean R.J. , let me, a soon-to-be licensed US attorney, be the one to inform you that arguing for one's interests during a contractual negotiation are not credible grounds for a revocation. However, asking a student to agree to a leave of absence retroactively, and without even having officially enrolled or paid tuition, on the other hand, is. Retroactively asserting a leave of absence is a fraud. Taking a leave of absence when a student hasn't yet matriculated is a fraud. And for you to request that a student become complicit in a fraud which was likely perpetrated to satisfy some CMU academic regulatory or financial regulatory body is in itself another offense. And for you to retaliate against that student when he refuses to participate in your fraud by revoking his seat without due process, is yet another tort. Thats three offenses Dr R. J. Beyond that there is the breach of contract, a fourth offense. Retaining moneys that should have been refunded is a fifth offense, and possibly considered theft by deception, a crime.


    I'm curious how the forum here feels about Dean R. J's rationale. In what position was I ever in to "dictate" anything to him? Request or Assert my rights as a contractual party, maybe. But "dictate"? Really? What Dean R. J. failed to reference was numerous emails from Clinical Dean S. H., with the very same assurances that I assertively demanded that the CMU admin uphold. That's not dictating Dr. R. J, thats keeping your administration to its word. And if your admin has no credibility, niether will CMU become what its investors are hoping it can achieve.


    Incidentally, Dean R. J. did mention that two fairly inconsequential documents had not been received, which based on my online receipts had been submitted with my original application. Both of these documents were resubmitted within minutes of his allegations that there were documentary deficits. Furthermore, for you to suggest that unilaterally revoking an MD5 student's seat, after he had been accepted and had spent 3 months getting all vaccinations/titers and travel arrangements made, because of a purported insignificant deficits in his paperwork (Passing Step 1 Score/ID verification) for which there had never been an official request to remedy, and for which except as one of four bases for the unliateral revocation of his seat had never been communicated to the student, is ludicrous. Its well known that you accept transfers who haven't passed Step 1. Its well known that you allow students to perform a limited amount of clerkships without having passed Step 1. Your argument, Cavalier, is without merit, and furthermore, its just plain bogus and brought in bad faith in order to try to create a smoke screen for your retaliatory behavior.


    For the record, the answers to your first two questions are No, and No. And to answer the second part of your third question, No, there were no failed classes from the basic sciences on my medical school transcript. I passed all of my preclinical coursework, with the exception of one course which I withdrew from in order to perform research for which I later was published as a co-author. I completed that course in a subsequent semester. I cant answer the first half of your third question, because I do not know by what standards your admissions applies to perceived 'red flags'. What I can assert is that the school I attended was ranked in the top 25 LCME US medical schools in the country. The USMLE Step 1 pass rate for that school was and still is about 95%. The match rate for their graduates is even higher about 98%. I'm sure CMU admissions would have taken those statistics into consideration when evaluating my academic history.


    I must remind you, Cavalier, I am not writing this to justify my excellence as a candidate. That was a determination for your admission committee to make. Frankly, I consider myself just a regular guy who has been blessed with some excellent academic opportunities. However, that point is moot when CMU admissions accepted me and formed a contract with me for a seat in their MD5 clinical semester and took $1000 of my money as consideration. That's a valid contract. If you attempt to insinuate with your line of questioning that I misrepresented myself, and that was the basis for the revocation, you are grossly libelous and acting in bad faith--and I implore you to either come out and make an accusation, or step aside.


    And by the way, Yes, I was dismissed from my prior medical school and this was unequivocally disclosed to the admission committee and in fact the crux of my personal statement (that is assuming the CMU admissions had even bothered to read my personal statement which was admittedly lengthy, but very digestible) To be completely candid with this forum, the more I think about it, the less likely it is that Dean R. J. ever read through my academic file and personal statement. And he was solely responsible for the revocation of my seat. Yes, Cavalier would be an appropriate pseudonym for Dean R. J. if that indeed his him hiding behind the above post. Had Dean R. J. bothered to read any of my 15+ pages in my personal statement he would have known not only when, but why, how and who was responsible for my dismissal. And for the record, my former carrier has admitted to impropriety, terminated all but a few of those who were responsible for my dismissal, and has refunded a considerable amount of my tuition which is why I am now able to afford to resume my education. But I digress... I must again reiterate that unless you are asserting that I misrepresented myself, which you, Cavalier, have not come out and expressly stated --and which was never expressed by Dean R. J. as a basis for the revocation, my prior academic history is for purposes of this grievance, irrelevant. It became so the moment CMU accepted me and reserved me a seat in their MD5 semester;


    And lastly, yes, in reliance on my admission to CMU MD5 I turned down multiple acceptances into the MD5/6 semster at various other medical schools.


    Cavalier and Administrator, who I suspect are Dean R. J. and Clinical Dean S. H. or their representatives, have failed to address numerous points that I have brought forward. They have attempted to discredit me with insinuating lines of questioning. They have posted blatant untruths alleging my seat was revoked because I was a substandard applicant. And they have entirely dodged the important and relevant points that I have brought to their attention. Again, if you have been wronged by CMU or their administration now is a good time to come forward and have your voice heard. I realize that for matriculated students, this creates a conflict of interest. I can assure you that at the end of the day, if indeed you were wronged, justice will prevail and whatever retaliation you may endure at the hands of CMU 's administration will be exposed and rectified. You don't need a jury to make this assertion. The marketplace will be the trier of fact.
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    incidentally you will notice that certain names are redacted on this forum with several asterix (****). Notably Dr. S H the acting dean of clinical medicine whose name sounds like Fonda is one of those people who for some reason has requested that his name be redacted. oddly enough, Dean R. J. whose name sounds like Paxon, the acting dean of academics at CMU has no problem with his name being published. Why is that? Do you have reason to avoid being referenced in a public forum? You have no hesitation to promote yourself and advertise yourself on your website as an MD. Why would you hide here on the most populous forum where FMGs congregate and share their information for the betterment of the student community? Again, I would be concerned that there is no accountability on your part.
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    FYI Dean R J and Clinical Dean S. H. were the two administrators that I dealt directly with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GIinthesky View Post
    Sadly, I believe this. There was another dean who had similar issues, did not know the processes, and routinely "lost things in the mix," and after being appropriately questioned, he attempted to turn blame where there was none. I do not believe he is at the institution any longer, but I would have hoped things would have improved with his departure. Unfortunately, it does not seem that way.
    if this matter is not resolved, and it goes to court, I will be posting enough reference to eliminate any doubt as to who I am, who the accused are, what wrongs transpired and what remedies were achieved. Your reference to past administrations is relevant. i appreciate very much your contribution and implore you to direct other students who may have been mistreated to come forward. Thank you.
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    "Your argument, Cavalier, is without merit, and furthermore, its just plain bogus and brought in bad faith in order to try to create a smoke screen for your retaliatory behavior."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    I have no means or interest in retaliating against you. Quit making things up.

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