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    The truth may hurt, but CMU is FAKE

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    As of 8/26/07 my observations were:

    When I go to the CMU website I see the phone number for contact in Chicago. It is listed as 847-299-5575. When I go to the reverse phone directory I get a lady listed with an apartment address on Milwaukee Avenue in Northbrook, Illinois. The other phone number for CMU is 847-299-5549. When I do a reverse phone search for it, I get a message that it is a cell number in some directories, and it is listed as a land line based in Des Plaines, Illinois in one reverse directory. The CMU website states that the Medical Education Management Group is their U.S. office. When I go to the address of 10275 West Higgins Road I find that it is an office building with 30 business including Proctor and Gamble, but the Medical Education Management Group is not listed. The CMU website has a page regarding the Dean of Students and his responsibilities. It includes a nice picture of a good looking man, but there is no name. When I go to the Caribbean phone directory and look up all the different medical schools, I see addresses and several phone numbers for each one. When I go to the Curacao white and yellow pages and look up CMU I keep getting "not on file" messages. The CMU website lists their Curacao address as WTC Piscadera Bay in Willenstad, which is the capital of Curacao. When I look at the WTC business who occupy office space, I do not find any listing for CMU. The CMU website lists two Curacao phone numbers (5999-463-6453 & 646-401-0636). When I do a reverse search in the Curacao phone directory I get "not on file" messages. When I go to the Curacao Commercial Register I find that CMU is listed as a LLC or Private Limited Liability Company, and it was just incorporated on 8/20/2007. It says it is a "Higher Vocational Education, Scientific & Research Institution, Organization and Coordination of Congresses, and Seminars and Conventions".

    AND NOW FOR THE LATEST:

    The government of Curacao requires a lump-sum payment of 3.2 million dollars in order to grant a charter. As of last week, CMU has not been granted a charter, nor have they even applied for it. In order for a med school to be legit they MUST be chartered BEFORE they open their doors and start their clases. CMU began classes in May, and to date they still have NO charter. Even if they obtain a charter at this late date, students have wasted their time and their money. None of the "credits" that they earned will be recognized by IMED or any school that students may attempt to transfer into.

    To date there are 21 students "enrolled" at CMU. Six students were lured away from other schools and accepted as tansfers into CMU, and as of today, there is only ONE student of the six left. Three of the four students attempted to transfer back into their old schools, and they found that the work they did at CMU was not to be counted.

    The CMU website lists a of 21 "faculty" members and "honorary professors".
    See: CMU | Caribbean Medical University - Faculty & Staff
    (Actually Dr. D is listed twice, so it would be 20). The students that have transferred out of CMU report that the university is a BIG JOKE. They have had some classes in conference rooms rented at the WTC, but for the most part it is independent study, where materials are taken home, brought back, and they are given an A or a B. The students have NEVER seen more than 2 to 3 faculty members, and "classes" have been poor at best. They have reported that they have occasionally had lectures in "anatomy", and the student mix is premed students along side MD4 students.

    In looking at the "faculty" list, I have found the following:

    Dr. U D (listed twice on the CMU website) is the Dean. I wrote the exact same email to his private email address to ask if he is a CMU faculty member. I have NOT emailed him at the CMU campus, as I am sure that RL is probably answer for him. Thus far I have received no response from him via his private email, so I no confirmation from him verifying that he is dean or professor.

    Dr. J P, per the CMU website, is the Dean of Basic Sciences. He has written several articles which appear on the internet, and the email addresses for them are not valid. My understanding is that he works or worked for St. James School of Medicine as a Pre-Med Science instructor.

    Dr. T P is, I assume, is Dr. J P's wife. She is listed as the CMU Assistant Dean of Pre-Med Sciences. When I search the internet for any other accomplishments, I see nothing.

    Dr. E E-S is apparently the former St. Martinus's Associate Dean of Basic Sciences. She has also been noted on an old SMU site as their Associate Professor in Physiology, Microbiology, and Clinical Medicine and the Dean of Basic Sciences. Although she is listed as being on the CMU faculty, I see no biography listed for her on the CMU site. She currently holds a Curacao work permit.

    Dr. M R H likewise is listed as a CMU faculty member with no CMU biography. When I Google him I see that he did residency at St. John's Mercy Medical Center. He is/was at the University of Missouri School of Medicine as an Adjunjct Assistant Professor for the Dept. of Family and Community Medicine. He wrote a few articles and then seemingly dropped off the face of the earth.

    Dr. K A & Dr. N D are listed on the CMU site, but neither have a biography there, and neither have any history of existance on the internet. I am not certain that they even exist.

    Dr. S C is presently at the Institue of Post-Graduate Medical Education and Research in Kolkata, but he is listed on the CMU faculty list, but has no CMU bio.

    Dr. S N (MS/PhD) is listed as an employee of the Care Hospital as a Biochemist in Hyderabad. He currently serves as the President Elect for the Association of Medical Biochemists of India, but he is listed on the CMU faculty list and has no CMU bio.

    Of all the "faculty" members and "honorary professors" that CMU list, Dr. E E-S is the only one who has a Curacao legal work permit, so if there are any other professors actually in existance or working there, they are illegal.

    There are currently 21 CMU students enrolled and attending the school, and the highest number reportedly was at 24. Tuition and fees are about $8000 per student, and this does not include living expenses.
    See: CMU | Caribbean Medical University - Financial Aid - Tuition and Fees
    Considering that CMU is not maintaining classrooms and probably not paying more than 2-3 "faculty" members, their overhead is very low. This means an estimated revenue of $200,000 for CMU (RL) for the first semester and about the same amount for Semester 2, for a total of approximately $400,000. All of the work and grades that students have achieved there are worthless, as no school or agency will consider them valid due to the lack of a charter.

    I am deeply disappointed to report my opinion that CMU is a fake school. It is a diploma mill, and they have criminally taken money from students.
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    wow, you really did some heavy duty research into this. however, you reached the same conclusion that i did many months ago.....with much less work .... just kidding.

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    Where did you find out about the student info?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stateofequilibrium View Post
    Where did you find out about the student info?
    dru went undercover to the open house
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dru View Post
    As of 8/26/07 my observations were:

    When I go to the CMU website I see the phone number for contact in Chicago. It is listed as 847-299-5575. When I go to the reverse phone directory I get a lady listed with an apartment address on Milwaukee Avenue in Northbrook, Illinois. The other phone number for CMU is 847-299-5549. When I do a reverse phone search for it, I get a message that it is a cell number in some directories, and it is listed as a land line based in Des Plaines, Illinois in one reverse directory. The CMU website states that the Medical Education Management Group is their U.S. office. When I go to the address of 10275 West Higgins Road I find that it is an office building with 30 business including Proctor and Gamble, but the Medical Education Management Group is not listed. The CMU website has a page regarding the Dean of Students and his responsibilities. It includes a nice picture of a good looking man, but there is no name. When I go to the Caribbean phone directory and look up all the different medical schools, I see addresses and several phone numbers for each one. When I go to the Curacao white and yellow pages and look up CMU I keep getting "not on file" messages. The CMU website lists their Curacao address as WTC Piscadera Bay in Willenstad, which is the capital of Curacao. When I look at the WTC business who occupy office space, I do not find any listing for CMU. The CMU website lists two Curacao phone numbers (5999-463-6453 & 646-401-0636). When I do a reverse search in the Curacao phone directory I get "not on file" messages. When I go to the Curacao Commercial Register I find that CMU is listed as a LLC or Private Limited Liability Company, and it was just incorporated on 8/20/2007. It says it is a "Higher Vocational Education, Scientific & Research Institution, Organization and Coordination of Congresses, and Seminars and Conventions".

    AND NOW FOR THE LATEST:

    The government of Curacao requires a lump-sum payment of 3.2 million dollars in order to grant a charter. As of last week, CMU has not been granted a charter, nor have they even applied for it. In order for a med school to be legit they MUST be chartered BEFORE they open their doors and start their clases. CMU began classes in May, and to date they still have NO charter. Even if they obtain a charter at this late date, students have wasted their time and their money. None of the "credits" that they earned will be recognized by IMED or any school that students may attempt to transfer into.

    To date there are 21 students "enrolled" at CMU. Six students were lured away from other schools and accepted as tansfers into CMU, and as of today, there is only ONE student of the six left. Three of the four students attempted to transfer back into their old schools, and they found that the work they did at CMU was not to be counted.

    The CMU website lists a of 21 "faculty" members and "honorary professors".
    See: CMU | Caribbean Medical University - Faculty & Staff
    (Actually Dr. D is listed twice, so it would be 20). The students that have transferred out of CMU report that the university is a BIG JOKE. They have had some classes in conference rooms rented at the WTC, but for the most part it is independent study, where materials are taken home, brought back, and they are given an A or a B. The students have NEVER seen more than 2 to 3 faculty members, and "classes" have been poor at best. They have reported that they have occasionally had lectures in "anatomy", and the student mix is premed students along side MD4 students.

    In looking at the "faculty" list, I have found the following:

    Dr. U D (listed twice on the CMU website) is the Dean. I wrote the exact same email to his private email address to ask if he is a CMU faculty member. I have NOT emailed him at the CMU campus, as I am sure that RL is probably answer for him. Thus far I have received no response from him via his private email, so I no confirmation from him verifying that he is dean or professor.

    Dr. J P, per the CMU website, is the Dean of Basic Sciences. He has written several articles which appear on the internet, and the email addresses for them are not valid. My understanding is that he works or worked for St. James School of Medicine as a Pre-Med Science instructor.

    Dr. T P is, I assume, is Dr. J P's wife. She is listed as the CMU Assistant Dean of Pre-Med Sciences. When I search the internet for any other accomplishments, I see nothing.

    Dr. E E-S is apparently the former St. Martinus's Associate Dean of Basic Sciences. She has also been noted on an old SMU site as their Associate Professor in Physiology, Microbiology, and Clinical Medicine and the Dean of Basic Sciences. Although she is listed as being on the CMU faculty, I see no biography listed for her on the CMU site. She currently holds a Curacao work permit.

    Dr. M R H likewise is listed as a CMU faculty member with no CMU biography. When I Google him I see that he did residency at St. John's Mercy Medical Center. He is/was at the University of Missouri School of Medicine as an Adjunjct Assistant Professor for the Dept. of Family and Community Medicine. He wrote a few articles and then seemingly dropped off the face of the earth.

    Dr. K A & Dr. N D are listed on the CMU site, but neither have a biography there, and neither have any history of existance on the internet. I am not certain that they even exist.

    Dr. S C is presently at the Institue of Post-Graduate Medical Education and Research in Kolkata, but he is listed on the CMU faculty list, but has no CMU bio.

    Dr. S N (MS/PhD) is listed as an employee of the Care Hospital as a Biochemist in Hyderabad. He currently serves as the President Elect for the Association of Medical Biochemists of India, but he is listed on the CMU faculty list and has no CMU bio.

    Of all the "faculty" members and "honorary professors" that CMU list, Dr. E E-S is the only one who has a Curacao legal work permit, so if there are any other professors actually in existance or working there, they are illegal.

    There are currently 21 CMU students enrolled and attending the school, and the highest number reportedly was at 24. Tuition and fees are about $8000 per student, and this does not include living expenses.
    See: CMU | Caribbean Medical University - Financial Aid - Tuition and Fees
    Considering that CMU is not maintaining classrooms and probably not paying more than 2-3 "faculty" members, their overhead is very low. This means an estimated revenue of $200,000 for CMU (RL) for the first semester and about the same amount for Semester 2, for a total of approximately $400,000. All of the work and grades that students have achieved there are worthless, as no school or agency will consider them valid due to the lack of a charter.

    I am deeply disappointed to report my opinion that CMU is a fake school. It is a diploma mill, and they have criminally taken money from students.
    Hey, you better have some solid evidence that can backup your words or else this post can open up a pandora's box.

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    cmu is the pandora's box when they plagiarized off sgu and other school's website
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    The problem is that if Dru makes accusations about CMU without any evidences, then he can open himself up to legal troubles. Where is RL's legal team?

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    Good work there Dru.I am not suprised one bit about any of this. cmu will continue to be exposed piece by piece until the close down or is taken down for fraud by the authorities.
    3.2 million haha, no wonder they are scurring to gather students before getting the charter, how else do they resonably expect to pay that type of money, haha, that explains the desperation they have.
    My experience with them was that it was only rl running the show and I maintain that,so it would not suprise me to read that there could be some bogus faculty names to make it appear as if they are more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastern2western View Post
    The problem is that if Dru makes accusations about CMU without any evidences, then he can open himself up to legal troubles. Where is RL's legal team?
    Sometimes you have to check the source of any information before you can question the authenticity of the information.What does Dru have to gain or loose by not stating things as he has seen them.You however have chosen to conclude that he could making accusations and you have to ask yourself why.of all the information on this forum this merely exposses another layer of it, and not to far what everyone already know to be the situation at cmu.

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    Where is rl? I would imagine that he is jumping all over this right now.

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