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    My experience with CMU and especially RL

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    I have been watching this saga with great interest.
    I will try to be as candid as possible.

    CMU was the first school I applied to and I very quickly grew suspicious of the man known as RL.
    I started with my initial call to the school which by the was gave the impression that I was calling his personal cell phone, because he would always answer with "hello" and he would always answer regardless of the time, and yes once I called as late as 8 pm to "test" my theory out.
    It struck me as odd that no one else ever picked up, again going back to the fact that it seemed like his cell phone. Ovr a period of 3 weeks, no one seemed to be a part of the school but him.
    Next I decided to apply and paid for the application fee and sent my package, no reply from him. I waited for a few days and called. He immediately informed me that I had been accepted, and I said what? just lke that? It was very suspicious that I had to make a consious effort to request the acceptance letter myself. I called back and asked for it, and he assured me he would email it to me within 5 mins. 2 hours later I called back and he then emailed it. I printed and read it, check for any sign that would show me that I had infact earned this acceptance to medical school, I found none. Just a generic letter congratulating me.
    I was cautiously excited that I had gotten into medical school as I shared the information with family.

    As days went by, I could not shake the feeling that this was a fraud and that the acceptance had nothing to do with me, that they would accept a kindergarten student if they applied.
    With this growing feeling I set out to investigate more about the school.
    Mind you I had done little research at the time and felt it was only right to dig deeper before committing to it.
    I googled "caribbean medical schools" and came up with this forum and boom! the smoking gun.
    As I read and read and read, day after day, I could not help feeling like I had been defrauded. Too many red flags presented and I cancelled my decision to go to CMU. I still wanted to keep up with the process of others discovering the truth and hoping they see it soon enough.
    With a sense of mischief I decided to keep them on a string of hoping they still had me as a potential student. I kept up communication, asked different questions, from time to time, and was appauled at the lies I got in response. What struck me most was when I discovered his posts here, and the obvious lies, ranging from lack of accreditation and lies about the school itself. I did not know if I was to be upset with RL or feel pity for him.
    It was obvious this is a life or death situation for him, to leave one failing medical school and start his own and wanted to make it work at all cost. Except he does not seem to have an honest bone in his bone, and worse still he says it with so much tenacity that you can't help but believe he actually believes the lies himself. Poor guy.

    More to come.
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    I started researching more into other medical schools and finally found one that is accreditated and applied, I can't imagine if I found out about this after paying to go to CMU.
    Well, my research revealed that their site was copied from another school, right down to the details that they did not bother to edit out.
    RL I want to tell you that what you are doing is a great disservice to the medical profession, because with exposure of schools like CMU, it actually spread into the many areas and continues to degrade the entire reputation that legit schools in the caribbean has, sort of like one bad apple causing the bunch to look bad.
    If you cared anything about the students or the profession you should concede to your fraud and give up this quest for opening a medical school. It is not about being fired from one school, if that were the case, and you decide to get back by starting your own school, you have to actually know what you are doing and have to do it right and legally.
    It is not about starting a business, this has to do with the future of students and potentially patients down the line. Think of the negative impact you could have on that and how many lives it would affect.
    This is not a competition between schools, leave those who can do it to do it and do it right, you tried and you are failing.

    Now I know you would come back with some sort of reply attempting to convince yourself you know what you are doing and that you are actually dong it, but everyone can see that you have and continue to lie. You make references to things that do not exist, hoping that with time they will, this is wrong. No matter how much you will it to happen IMED will not list you unless you meet the criteria and ther is no way around that. No matter how much you want the students to be able to take the USLME exams, without the proper accreditations, they cannot.
    I sometime wonder how the few students who by watching the videos seem a bit clueless, how they feel or felt when they realized that all the achieved was to spend a one semester vacation on curucao, and that there is not tangible shot of achiving their dreams of becoming doctors.
    Again I feel pity, and at the same time, fortunate that I was not one of them.

    More to come.

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    Sad story!!
    I need to think about something...maybe you know what...

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    It really gives me the creeps to read some of his posts here, because I remeber how he pitched CMU to me when I called to aske questions initially and with each conversation with him, you cannot help but feel a sense of deception coming from him, like he was not telling you things that were true.
    It is not necessary to decieve peopl into believing things that you know for a fact are not true and as much as you want it to be, will not be true anytime soon.
    Well, with time as I said I kept them on a string, they had offered a $1000.00 discount if you signed up for that semester and that this was the last semester they would offer it, he was very pushful on the funds, even when I pointed out that they did not have any financial aid, he insisted that I should borrow money for this semester and assured me that by the time I got to sept semester they wuld have a loan program that I could continue with, his pushfullness irked me.
    He assured me that sallie mae, teri and a host of other were lined up ready to provide funding for thier students in the sept semester, all lies, I contacted sallie mae, and they never even heard of CMU, I was completely floored at how convincing he made it all sound, I could tell it was a wish he was hoping to happen, but he also knew there was no chance of it, yet he pushed on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyIvey View Post
    I started researching more .....
    Hi All,

    How about to send this letter to the Government of Curacao?....

    SH

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    I made a few more calls and still never got to speak to anyone but RL, it was obvious this was a one man show, I marveled at his dedication to it all, but could not help but wonder why he was making it such a swim or sink charade.
    Till today I never recieved an official acceptance package, just that first email, no financial aid package, but I chalked that up to the fact that he was too busy on here trying to put out fires around him to actually sit still long enough and work through the actual paperwork on his desk.
    Once I called him on the weekend, again to see what would happen and you guessed it he answered and I acted suprised they were open on the weekends, and he replied that they were open 7 days a week, well yes you would be if you run it out of your home and cell phone.
    Once I called and there was no answer for a few days straight, I was sure they had closed down due to lack of students, but 4 days later, no such luck.
    But you see with other schools at the very least they have people with different depts, if one person was not there, someone else was sure to be there, but not in this case, cos if RL was busy ther was no CMU contact.
    This was definitely a huge red flag.
    Oh and by the way the same one time only $1000.00 discount was offered again for sept semester, that made me laugh. Cos that was part of his rushed pitch to get more May semester students.
    My wife suggested I should contact the local Chicago authorities and complain or at least have something on record, but I thought no, have no time to get involved on that level, besides he could simply go and open up another school out of another state.

    Moe to come.

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    very interesting to read. thanks for the post
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    I have a feeling RL does not understand the seriousness or the error of his ways, or that he simply does not care, in which case, either way, running a medical school is not the place to be becasue you have to care, care so much about the efforts and future of the students, enough to completely have that best interest at heart, not just their bank account in mind.
    RL I'm sure you have seen a doctor at some point, can you seriously with all conscience agree to be treated by one of your students years from now, it would not matter what you respond with becasue my point is that unless you can give a student the best possible chance to be the best doctor they can be, concede. What do you get out of having a student pay up large amount of money overyears, with nothing to offer them but wishes or promises, you have to give them a true tangible future, that is the least you can do.
    And no willing it to happen does not count, you have to actually have it in your hands before you claim to have it.

    More to come.

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    My last few calls with RL, were on my part simply a matter of courtesy, as I believe it was the right thing to do. I called to find out how many students were being expected for sept semester and he went on his usual spree of air filled words about how they were expecting so many students, and how a lot of people have transfered from some top schools and how their schol was one of the best and how their dormitories were the rave of the students, and how their students have indian food delivered and have their laundry pickup schedule, pretty much that the students were living it up and loving every minute of it.
    He failed however to rave about the classes and workload, but at this point it did not matter anymore, I was sick of listening to a shoe saleman convince me to but a tight feeting shoe that was killing my feet, but convincing me if i wore it long enough it would mold perfectly to my feet. Just sell me a shoe my size and you have a deal.
    You have to understand ho it made me feel, knowing what I knew from reading his posts here and how he admitted to few students and claimed all sorts of numbers.
    I still ahve not officially told him I will not be attending in sept, I figured I should leave him to his delusions and his hot air.
    RL, please do not bother trying to defend yourself, this is my personal account of what went on between us, you may be in denial as usual, but the facts are what they are and you need to step up and shape up, enough with the deception, it is obvious to everyone, and quite frankly the amount of time you spend here defending yourself is a direct result of how badly your charade of a school is managed. How can you have enough time to do anything for your school or get your documents in order, when you spend so much time refreshing the forum to keep up with what is being said so you ca spin your version of it. Enough already.

    More to come.

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    Dear Tony
    Whatever your experience with CMU is so far, I feel sorry for it and apologize.
    It’s obvious that you are very new to the Caribbean med schools, that why you feel so bad. Based on my 6 year experience in the field, I can tell you honestly that if you didn’t pick one of the big 4, as your med school, you will soon find out what the word "fraud" means. We have transfer student from other schools, which experienced it.
    • charging for transferring out /$4000/
    • problems getting transcripts,
    • grade reports and other documents,
    • throwing cadaver remains to a garbage can,
    • holding loan disbursements,
    • not issuing tuition refund,
    • charges for dorms students never lived in,
    • treating students like slaves,
    • unqualified teachers,
    • Deans whose license was revoked,
    • sex harassment,
    • teachers & students being illegal on the island,
    • lack of basic teaching materials /sometimes even cleaning supplies or toilet paper/,
    • library with 0 medical books, etc.

    You can find it all on ValueMD.
    I have to admit that out of 30 schools in the Caribbean there are few decent once, but only few. Hoverer their tuition is more than or about $10,000 per semester. I hope you got accepted to one of them. If not you should do your research.
    CMU is not perfect but we all are trying hard from the beginning to make it better. You can get in touch with our current students and get their opinion. No one has experienced those problems here. Some left and are coming back now since they saw the difference. You should base your opinion not on ValueMD where we are constantly under attacks of other school's cheerleaders or agents. This is how hard it is to get through the first semester. When I started at St. James at its beginning we had much more problems and black PR as we have now at CMU. The school is doing fine now, so are the students.

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