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    Process for canadians to get a residency!

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    I was wondering if any Canadians who went to a foreign medical school and are currently doing their residency can state a typical time line from their 4rth year of university until they got their visas and then their residency. I am curious to know how long I need to wait after I graduate from medica school to finally have a residency and working.
    Thank you and I appreciate any information!
    Nicola

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    Timeline

    If you're OK doing your residency on a J1, you can basically go straight through without losing any time. In that case you should write the MCCEE at the beginning of your 4th year of med school, which will qualify you for a J1. You can then go through the match just like senior U.S. med students, and you should be OK to start in July.

    However, I would recommend going through the extra hoops to get an H1, even though it will likely cost you about a year, if not more. The timing will partly depend on when you actually get your diploma, but you'll definitely be at an advantage if you've already passed Steps 1/2 & CSA by then. At that point you can get your ECFMG certificate and apply for Step 3; it'll take about a month to get the permit and another month to get your results back.

    The second major hurdle is obviously getting a spot somewhere. Since there won't be any more prematching, you won't know where you're going until mid-March, which will definitely make it more difficult to start on time. Once you've matched you can start the paperwork to apply for a license, which generally speaking is a real pain in the butt. Some states are much stricter than others; in my case (Illinois) I needed each hospital where I did a core rotation to fill out a form saying that they had a written or verbal affiliation with my school, but this wasn't required for friends of mine in other states. It seems like just about everyone here had some kind of deficiency with the app., so maybe it's almost inevitable. But in order to try to avoid any unnecessary delays, I would suggest finding out in advance exactly what's required for the states that you're interested in (each state's licensing requirements can be found via fsmb.org).

    After you finally get the license you can apply for the H1; most programs will ask you to pay the $1000 premium processing fee which supposedly guarantees that they'll process your app. within 10 business days. If that's actually the case, I think it's well worth it (right now I'm still within the 10 day window, but I hope to get a response any day now).

    Last but not least, you need an SSN, which seems to take at least 2 weeks if not more (see the SSN post on this forum). In my case, since I'm working at a public hospital, I also need to pass a drug test and some other Cook County regulations before I can start working.

    I'm not sure how helpful it'll be, but here's my timeframe:
    Aug 2000: took Step 1 (results in 4 wks)
    Dec 2001: took TOEFL (results in 2-3 wks)
    May 2002: took Step 2 (results in 4 wks); graduated from MUA
    July 2002: took CSA (results in 6-8 wks)
    Aug 2002: got ECFMG certificate
    Sept 2002: applied to take Step 3 (permit in 4 wks); applied to ERAS
    Nov 2002: took Step 3 (results in 4 wks); started interviews
    Dec 2002: more interviews; accepted prematch from Cook County
    Jan 2003: started filling out Illinois license app.
    Feb 2003: sent Illinois license app. to Cook County (after waiting 1 month for paperwork from UNIBE)
    March/April 2003: license app. submitted to state authorities
    April 2003: told of deficiencies in license app. ; sent relevant paperwork to hospitals
    May 2003: all paperwork received by Cook County; license app. resubmitted; license processed within 10 days (but took another 2 wks to arrive at Cook County)
    June 2003: H1 visa application submitted (awaiting response)
    ?July 2003: SSN, drug test (and hopefully start working!)

    So as you can see, even though I graduated more than a year ago and got a pre-match offer in December, I still won't be starting on time. I think there's more than enough blame to go around: myself for not checking everything out ahead of time; MUA for likewise not telling me exactly what I needed; UNIBE for taking so long with their paperwork; and Cook County for sitting on my license app. for so long before they submitted it. But maybe I shouldn't really complain; out of my 3 other Canadian friends who also got residency spots this year, only one is starting on time. Anyways, the best thing is to try not to get too discouraged with all the obstacles. If you plan everything out carefully it'll all work out in the end, even if you have to start a bit late....
    Stephen Sloan, M.D.
    PGY2 Internal Medicine
    John H. Stroger, Jr. Hospital of Cook County (the NEW Cook County Hospital)

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    Hey Steve,
    Thanks so much! I hope everything works out with your visa. It seems like there are sooo many obstacles- but I guess we all have to go through these. Another question that I have that maybe you can answer:
    1) If I go the JI route- for the 2 years that I have to come back home can I go and work in England instead of coming back to Canada and then after the 2 years are up go the States. I have a dual citizenship (EU an Canadian) and I thought that perhaps this might come in handy!
    Once again thanks for all your help.
    Nicola

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    Interesting thought

    Don't know much about the UK. I wonder how hard it would be to get a spot there. Would you also have to go through some sort of residency training? Anyways, if you can do it that way it might solve a lot of problems, but I suggest getting as much info as possible before you jump into anything. Maybe you can let us know what you find out! Take care....
    Stephen Sloan, M.D.
    PGY2 Internal Medicine
    John H. Stroger, Jr. Hospital of Cook County (the NEW Cook County Hospital)

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    england

    Actually, in order for the 2 years to count post-residency on a J1, u MUST be in Canada. I was actually looking into options in working in Saudi Arabia for the 2 years, but u must spend the 2 years inside of your home country. If u leave for 6 months for example, those 6 months will NOT count towards your 2 years.

    As for working in the UK, u must complete their boards also. There are only 2 countries that I know of that recognize US certification (Australia & New Zealand). Good luck!
    S.Chow, MD
    Cardiology, PGY-4

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    how about this...

    Nicola,

    Why dont you go to an European school? This way after you graduate you can stay and work in Europe, or get ECFMG certification and work in USA, or go through the Canadian process (LMCC).

    I believe with the way Europe is setup now, you may, after you graduated and licensed in an EEA country, get unrestricted license in another EEA country fairly easily (providing you pass the language test). Someone can correct me if I am wrong here...

    Whereas, if you go to a non-usa and a non-canadian school, you still have to do the ECFMG and/or LMCC route. Going to Europe opens a third option for you.


    dt.

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    question for s. sloan and s. chow

    hi s.sloan and s.chow,

    i have some questions about the h-1b app process if you don't mind

    1) i heard some states don't require a training license (eg Arkansas), so does that mean that you save like 2-3 months, because you don't have to apply for one?

    2) how do you get an immigration attorney to do your application? does the hospital assign one to you, or did you pick one out of the yellow pages? If so what did you look for in an immigration attorney?

    3) What is the earliest one can - go to the border, get the H-1B, and enter the U.S. - prior to starting residency in the U.S. (10 days before residency? 1 month before residency?

    thanks!!

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    question for s. sloan and s. chow

    Quote Originally Posted by tobykeith
    hi s.sloan and s.chow,

    i have some questions about the h-1b app process if you don't mind

    1) i heard some states don't require a training license (eg Arkansas), so does that mean that you save like 2-3 months, because you don't have to apply for one?
    I'm not sure about that, you should check on fsmb.org to find out the specifics for each state. As far as I know most states require you to get some type of temporary license before you can start residency. Although a friend of mine in NJ said that his hospital could just give him some kind of provisional license for 1 year, and after that he would need to apply for his own license. I don't know all the details though.

    2) how do you get an immigration attorney to do your application? does the hospital assign one to you, or did you pick one out of the yellow pages? If so what did you look for in an immigration attorney?
    I think most programs actually do the paperwork for you, so I would definitely ask before you start forking out tons of cash. Actually, you may even want to discuss this during an interview, or at least try to find out before you select a program. If you do have to find your own attorney, try to ask how much experience they have with H1-B. I'll post a couple of names that were given to me in the visa forum. But I can't personally vouch for anyone in particular.

    3) What is the earliest one can - go to the border, get the H-1B, and enter the U.S. - prior to starting residency in the U.S. (10 days before residency? 1 month before residency?
    Dr. Chow may know more about this than me. I'm actually in the U.S. "illegally" (i.e. without a visa), so I really have no idea what the actual timetable should be.

    Good luck!
    Stephen Sloan, M.D.
    PGY2 Internal Medicine
    John H. Stroger, Jr. Hospital of Cook County (the NEW Cook County Hospital)

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    border crossing

    I'm not sure on when u can actually cross the border either. I crossed about 2 weeks ahead of time and they did question me as to why I was going so early. I just told them that I wanted to move in and get set up and stuff. U might actually have to ask customs about it.
    S.Chow, MD
    Cardiology, PGY-4

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    q's

    about "accepted prematch from Cook County "

    stephen can you please tell me about this?

    do they interview you and then say "we want to offer you a spot"

    how does prematching work
    because according to the nrmp site, prematching is back this year 2004

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