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    Hey everyone,

    I just had a quick question......actually I was more wondering what some of you thought I should do. I've been accepted to St. George and also to the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland. Which should I attend and are there any advantages of one over the other in terms of getting residencies after?

    Appreciate the help,
    ~~ryan

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    simple answer

    if you go to sgu you will get a residency in the u.s. easily

    if you go to rcpsi you will have a tough time getting a residency in the u.s.

    with both schools you will be coming back to canada with nothing except the second iteration of that carms match which is a hopeless cause

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    Really?
    I was reading up, and at rcpsi 100% of their graduates get residencies at the most prestigious hospitals in the USA (so they say) and also, in many Canadian provinces (except Ontario) they give preferential treatment to IMG's from USA, Ireland, Britain, and South Africa I believe.

    I understand that it will be harder to prepare for the USMLE if I go to Ireland however.

    If I go to SGU, do you know if it is difficult to get licensed in Europe and Australia? (just wondering...i don't like stickin' in one place forever)

    thanks,
    ~~ryan

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    hey Ryan,
    I was sort of in your situation.. having to decide between SGU and UCD (Ireland).
    This is the pros and the cons I came up with: the irish program is 5 years with kids straight out of highschool. Whereas everyone at SGU is roughly in your age category. The Irish schools do not prep you for the USMLE so if you do badly on it your chances of getting one of those places at prestigious hospitals is small. SGU preps you for the USMLE and even makes you write a qualifying exam, which I personally feel is really good. You get US clinical exposure with SGU, no such luck with Irish school.
    However, the Irish schools have been around a lot longer and do not have the caribbean stigma attached with them. You have to figure out if you can personally deal with this. This was my major hurdle and once I decided that I was ok with this, I picked SGU. The european way of doing things is very different from the american way. Be prepared for this! Their method of evaluting, testing etc. is very different from the North American way. Also, for entry back into Canada, it is a bit easier coming from RCSI, than from SGU- but things might change by the time you graduate. RCSI is a very good school and very respected world wide. SGU is also a very good school and slowly its recognition is slowly coming.
    Well I hope this helps- if you have any questions etc. pm me. I was in your same boat and in order to make a decision I talked to a gazillion people in the health care field etc.
    Good Luck,
    Nica

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    SGU vs RCPSI - Caribbean Better than Europe - Ten Reasons

    A good CARIBBEAN medical school is a BETTER CHOICE than a medical school in the Ireland for Canadians --> here are the TEN reasons:


    1) First as CANADIANS you must face reality and understand that as soon as you leave Canada to go abroad to study medicine your chances of returning are slim to none.


    2) Then, you must decide where you want to end up. For most the answer is --> The UNITED STATES of AMERICA.


    3) United States is a LOT more similiar to Canada, than UK is, and there are a LOT more opportunities there for us. FACT. So for most Canadians moving permanently to the UK, is not an option, but moving permanently to the US is an excellent option.


    4) With this established, you have to choose a school that maximizes your chances of getting into the U.S. --> getting a US residency.


    5) CARIBBEAN medical schools offer clinical rotations (Cores and Electives) in the United States. This gives you the HUGE advantage of being in the U.S. system for TWO Years prior to applying for a U.S. residency.


    6) During those two years, you are preparing yourself better for USMLE Step 2 (as that exam is based entirely on U.S. clinical experience).


    7) Also, during those years so will be making contacts with program directors, that can aid you in obtaining a U.S. residency.


    8) CARIBBEAN schools offer a U.S. curriculum during the first two year basic science program. This is proven to prepare students better for the USMLE Step One, than other foreign schools.


    9) UK schools offer none of this, you will be in the UK for four (4) years, then when you decide to come to the US, (Canada is out of the picture as mentioned before), you will be inadequately prepared for the boards, and you will have ZERO U.S. contacts.
    You will in the same boat as someone from Africa, India, Mongolia, Peru or the North Pole for that mattter. Actually as a CANADIAN you will be worse off because atleast those IMG's will come to the U.S. with J-1 Visa's. As a Canadian, getting the J-1 Visa, is basically career suicide.

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    thanks!

    Thanks for the info guys.......lots of good points!!

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