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    Hi all,
    I'm planning to apply for CARMS this year, i realize that LORs better be from doctors but i been working in an alcohol management center for the last couple years and i been working as an unregulated caregiver, the program director is an RN (registered nurse). can he write me a reference letter? or I should focus only on family physicians which are really hard to get a decent LOR from.

    thanks in advance.

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    you should get reference letters from physicians who can comment on the your ability to be a physician in the area you are applying into. if you are applying into medical school, a letter from a nurse or someone else is appropriate. I think that someone who completed 2 years of clinical medicine in medical school should not have any problems getting letters from doctors. getting amazing letters are more difficult.

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    slight edit. you can take a chance including a reference letter from a nurse only if it is an amazing letter that speaks to you ability and character in being an excellent phyisican. it is still a risk to include. I only included reference letters from physician in my carms applications. I ended up having a lot of letter but included only those that I thought might be the strongest (I never saw any of the letters I got). one reference told me what he put in my letter, so I knew that was strong.

    g'luck with carms. it was stressful applying and waiting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by don1 View Post
    slight edit. you can take a chance including a reference letter from a nurse only if it is an amazing letter that speaks to you ability and character in being an excellent phyisican. it is still a risk to include. I only included reference letters from physician in my carms applications. I ended up having a lot of letter but included only those that I thought might be the strongest (I never saw any of the letters I got). one reference told me what he put in my letter, so I knew that was strong.

    g'luck with carms. it was stressful applying and waiting.
    thanks for your opinion, giving the fact that I only have some observerships from family doctors in which I didn't even take history! my experience with my director is much more richer, includes drug administration and many other medical interventions. I'm really skeptical but i will probably go with it. you dam right it is frustrating I get really pissed off knowing after all what i do there still a high chance of just even not looking at my application.
    don1 I'm really losing hope here not sure what they want it is just pain in the butt.....I dont even know why i'm telling you this but thanks anyway pal.

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    it is frustrating and there is a lot of uncertainty. another option is doing research at a place where you want to go and think you have a good chance at matching. they will get to know you that way. bear in mind, that this helps you if you are strong applicant with a work ethic and knowledge they are looking for. I had applied for urology at a place as a backup, but the person who got it did lots of research there and i think that helped them a lot. another person I have heard of from saba (don't know him) got plastics in toronto after doing a lot of research with them, as well as electives. I'm a resident in toronto, and the some other IMG's did not do any research; so it is not a must but helpful if you don't have elective experience.

    another way to look at it is residency programs do not want problems residents. IMG's have a higher proportion of problems getting through the program. you have to prove you won't be a problem resident. if that is through researh, letters, etc. that is what I would suggest. in my program, we have a upper year IMG who sucks, he actually is dishonest and patient care suffers, the result is they get scared to take IMG's and will be harder on those they take.

    i hope it works out for you.

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    Thanks...I will apply and see what gonna happen, I want to put more effort in the personal letter I know what I wanna say but i dont know how to start. I guess i'm overcritical to myself...what is your thought about the PL?

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    pl? personal letter? make it specific to the place and program. I wouldn't send a generic

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