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    Meekayell is offline Newbie 510 points
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    I've been reading (and searching) valuemd for a long time now and I still couldn't arrive to answers to my questions

    I am a first year student in UofT in Canada and would like to apply to Poland for med school (no school in particular, jag or poznan wtvs) And i just wanted to understand what's all the hassle and problem about getting residencies.... and if one gets an "MD" from poland, why do they have to accredit it here ?

    Some ppl say that it's impossible to match residencies in Canada... Yes, OK, but is it the same for Canadian IMGs ? I mean what if someone wants to study in another country for some time and wants to come back to work, they turn him down ?

    What is that thing about rotations done in canada to make it easier (or be exempt from the MCCEE and QE) to get into residencies ? I am really not understanding this part...

    If i do the the USMLE and get into the residency I want, can i later come back to canada and practice ?

    I think that's all for now... [be constructive with your criticism or suggestions plz... but as real as possible]

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    many of the answers to your questions can be found by using the search button.

    you are in first year undergrad and you are already looking at studying abroad?? if you want to study in Canada the best thing to do is get great marks and apply in Canada. by looking at studying abroad you must be anticipating sub-par grades.

    I've seen many canadian students who go abroad to study only to find out they didn't develop the study skills to make it. Abet, there are many that land great residencies as well. the latter tend to be those that have done well in undergrad yet have difficulty getting accepted into a Canadian med school.

    nearly 1400 people from med schools outside of Canada apply for less than 150 family medicine positions. for other specalities the numbers are just as grim. think twice before studying abroad. the strong students can make it.



    Quote Originally Posted by Meekayell View Post
    I've been reading (and searching) valuemd for a long time now and I still couldn't arrive to answers to my questions

    I am a first year student in UofT in Canada and would like to apply to Poland for med school (no school in particular, jag or poznan wtvs) And i just wanted to understand what's all the hassle and problem about getting residencies.... and if one gets an "MD" from poland, why do they have to accredit it here ?

    Some ppl say that it's impossible to match residencies in Canada... Yes, OK, but is it the same for Canadian IMGs ? I mean what if someone wants to study in another country for some time and wants to come back to work, they turn him down ?

    What is that thing about rotations done in canada to make it easier (or be exempt from the MCCEE and QE) to get into residencies ? I am really not understanding this part...

    If i do the the USMLE and get into the residency I want, can i later come back to canada and practice ?

    I think that's all for now... [be constructive with your criticism or suggestions plz... but as real as possible]
    Last edited by don1; 12-22-2010 at 09:11 PM.

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    Meekayell is offline Newbie 510 points
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    No really it's nothing about the grades, but if you think of it... I mean be real, there are ppl with AMAZING GPA's, EC's and all and still don't get into med school... I do not want to waste time, I want something that is fail proof. Imagine sitting all through pre-med FOUR whole years wondering if u'll get into med school or not, just why do that ?

    On the other hand the 6 year program is amazing, u get into med school directly and study what u enjoy (in my case, as u can tell, medicine)

    I hear South Africa is better though, being a "favored" ? country... really need some clarification on that though

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    yes, there are well qualified applicants to medical school who never get it. there are people with great gpa's who I wouldn't want treating my gold fish, let alone a human.

    I'm a 4th year medical student who did my undergrad and masters in north america. I can tell you from my experience that there are many many more issues if you study abroad. there are tons of canadians who never make it back into canada from studying abroad. and if you do, there is the return of service agreement...

    you say why do 4 years and wonder if you will make it back. well, I say why do 4 years in another country and spend way more money and wonder if Canada will take you degree seriously. abet, a caribbean degree is worthless without residency training. if you go to ireland or some place like that, i'm sure you can look at applying for residency training in that country, for example. study abroad if you tried to get into canada and can't get in for some reason.

    Quote Originally Posted by Meekayell View Post
    No really it's nothing about the grades, but if you think of it... I mean be real, there are ppl with AMAZING GPA's, EC's and all and still don't get into med school... I do not want to waste time, I want something that is fail proof. Imagine sitting all through pre-med FOUR whole years wondering if u'll get into med school or not, just why do that ?

    On the other hand the 6 year program is amazing, u get into med school directly and study what u enjoy (in my case, as u can tell, medicine)

    I hear South Africa is better though, being a "favored" ? country... really need some clarification on that though

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    i use to think that if I was in medical school, the stuff would be so interesting and I would easily do amazing.

    wrong....much of the material overlaps basic sciences. sometimes it didn't feel any different that studying undergrad sciences course, but with a medical sland. there is also the pace. think of your favorite food...now think of eating it every day....still good?.... now think of eating 20 servings of it in a day.... it is overwhelming, and not so much fun any more. medical school is hard work and not as exciting as i use to think it was. I'm finishing up clinicals, and now having the knowledge is amazing. the process was simply painful for me.

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    Meekayell is offline Newbie 510 points
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    Where are u studying medicine ? What was ur GPA and can u give me some stats if u don't mind ?

    And about the study abroad IF u can't get in... THIS is the main problem
    I also heard moving to med school in the US is way easier than trying ur luck in Canada, is this true ?

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    i am studying in the caribbean. my undergrad average is 3.5+.

    yes, it is if you get in. many canadian med students applyied a few times. it's reality.

    many canadians land residencies in the US. however, many average students find it tough to match. strong students have no problems, regardless of the school they went to. if you want to go to the US, you have to write the usmle step 1, usmle step 2. if you want canada, you also have to write the mccee. these are all expensive exams that canadian med students do not have to write. if you fail a usmle and pass on a rewrite, getting any residency in the US is like winning a lottery. 10% of US students fail the USMLE exams. about 50% of foreign trained docs fail the usmle. in other words, these exams are hard. foreign schools hide the stats about the pass rates for the usmle. sometimes they say a #, but they don't tell you how many times people took to pass. or they weed weaker students out. i'm referring to the caribbean, I'm not sure of other places. the strong students in my class have no problems matching. some even are going for competitive programs like ortho surgery, etc. the weaker students....well... good luck to them i suppose.

    getting back into canada. humm, it is hard. lets say you want urology or plastics, there are 2 spots in the country. radiology about 5 spots in the country you can apply for. so good luck with those. if you want family medicine, there are about 140 spots, but you are up against 1400 people. mind you, many of those are people who graduated years ago that have nearly zero chance of getting a spot. but there are also students who have a solid undergrad and should have gotten into a canadian school but didn't; these students also apply and are competition for the limited amount of spots.

    canadian medical graduates only worry about getting into a specific program, but they will get something for sure. many of those studying outside the country just hope to get anything. there are a rare exceptions of foreign trained docs getting competitive positions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Meekayell View Post
    Where are u studying medicine ? What was ur GPA and can u give me some stats if u don't mind ?

    And about the study abroad IF u can't get in... THIS is the main problem
    I also heard moving to med school in the US is way easier than trying ur luck in Canada, is this true ?
    Last edited by don1; 12-22-2010 at 10:07 PM.

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