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    Michael W.W. is offline Junior Member
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    PLEASE HELP! Candian wanting to go to SGU - here it is very viable option - recently got very discouraging post/reply

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    Hi,

    I am a Canadian student who has applied to the caribbean (SGU) recently and would like to go there next year very much. I did lots of research and talked to some SGU canadian graduates and got the general impression that a Canadian with descent boards and descent med school marks could obtain a US residency in primary care as long as he or she applied to hospitals that sponsor HI-B visas. I have yet to hear from a Canadian who went to SGU and did not obtain a residency. After this research I was very happy and I am almost sure I will go to SGU next year if I am excepted. Recently I recieved this reply from someone in Studentdoctor and now I am REALLY SCARED. He states that is basically impossible to get a residency as a Canadian from the caribbean. If I go next year I want to make sure that if I do well on the boards, get my MD, and apply to H1-B sponsoring hospitals that I will get a residency. I am making a HUGE money commitment here. I have posted part of the guy's email below. Some one PLEASE give me their thoughts and clarify this issue for me. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TRUTH IS EVEN AFTER TONS OF
    RESEARCH!!!!!!!! PLEASE HELP!!!!!!

    Here is his email.....

    "I am also a Canadian, 4th year US allopathic med student, and have recently matched in internal medicine with an institution that will give me my H1B.

    NOW, if you are Canadian IMG (ie. Carib, Aussie,etc) your road will be a lot more difficult than the average IMG because again, as a Canadian, you can ONLY take a H1B, and as opposed to the US grads, you dont have the negotiation power of the US-awarded diploma. If you decide to attend an international school, especially one that has a negative connotation for taking USMG's (ie. the carribs), you better keep the above in mind. The key to securing H1B is 1. ridiculous grades, like try to get honor or A's in all med school classes, 2. ridiculous board scores. I am talking at least 230, 240+ if possible - lots of successful IMG's have 99/99 step 1/2 scores - you are competing with the boatloads of Indian grads who have these kind of scores, who is applying to residency for the fifth time, and would gladly do free labor, sell their soul, and most importantly, take a J1, to get that categorical program. Why should a program take you and your H1B-only problem when they have boatloads of these people will be happy with a J1? and 3. good letters in US clinicals.

    It can technically be done, but it's hard. Many of the FMG's you will run into are either American citizens who have no visa problems, or those from other countries, which their country will write them that sponsor letter for them to take a J1 which we as Canadians dont have. Applying to residency as an FMG is hard enough as it is, add to that H1B only? Your chances are about as good as the chance of hell freezing over. You can maximize your chance by doing the above, but there is ABSOLUTELY no guarantee. And with the kind of tuition/fee you pay to go to one of those offshore schools, wouldn't a guarantee be nice?

    The only real guarantee is a US MD or DO school. I would suggest trying to study hard, do a post-bacc if you must to improve your GPA and nail the MCAT's and try to get into a US MD school, while apply to some DO schools as backup. I know it sounds bad to us Canadians, but DO in the US is a valuable degree that basically leads to the same licensure as MD's. Yes you pay a lot, but still less than any offshore, and your future path is a clear striaght-ahead after you're done. In your situation, 3.7+ undergrad GPA from a major Canadian institution coupled with 31+ MCAT and some EC's should give you enough numeric competitive edge to secure at least a DO if not an MD school admission in the US. Make sure apply to a gazillion places (I would suggest at least 25 private MD schools and 5 DO programs as back-up) and hope good things will happen."

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    studentMD is offline Elite Member 512 points
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    well

    i know several cdn imgs that have successfully matched in primary care..

    you should contact sgu and try to speak to cdn alumni

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    don't freak

    Getting a residency as a Cdn IMG is much less of a gamble than the previous poster makes it out to be. If you are serious, you will get a spot in FM or IM for sure. Don't worry my friend, learn your medicine and you will be a doctor in the US, take it from me. There are many before you who have proven the way. Don't let one message freak you out....good luck.
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    PLEASE HELP! Candian wanting to go to SGU - here it is very viable option - recently got very discouraging post/reply

    I think the only thing of importance from all of this is you never know. You can make all the wishes you want but the poster is right in one way...any small change in anything (H1B visas, residency numbers etc.) could potentially mean you don't get a match.

    If i were you I would still consider attending a med school with some sort of backup option. For the price you are going to pay at SGU including the high loans you can't afford a mess up.

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    Yikes!

    OK, that thread does sound quite scary. How could it not cast some doubt when you are about make such a serious investment?

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    Donít be fooled

    Who is this US graduate putting some unrealistic information that Canadians canít get residency. Believe me I am an SGU graduate and I am finishing training in Internal Medicine at a well-known University program in New York. I consider myself a smart guy, but definitely not a super smart and my scores are descent and not super high. Have you seen the last matching result...20-25% of the Internal Medicine, Family Practice and a good portion of the general surgery spots werenít filled. If you want Radiology, Dermatology, or other highly competitive specialty, it will be very difficult as an FMG. If you are a heard worker and reasonably smart person you will definitely get a residence in USA. SGU grads do clinical in USA and get some good recommendation letters.
    Getting residency in IM or FP or General Surgery is easy if you have a descent USMLE score and descent letters of recommendations. SGU will suck all the saving you have. As far as the visa is concerned, H1 is not the only visa available, what about J1. I am on J1

    One more thing you will be broke by the time you graduate.

    Good Luck

    Torontonian

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    re: Donít be fooled

    Quote Originally Posted by flucan1
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    Getting residency in IM or FP or General Surgery is easy if you have a descent USMLE score and descent letters of recommendations. SGU will suck all the saving you have. As far as the visa is concerned, H1 is not the only visa available, what about J1. I am on J1
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    So, after the J1, are you going to come back to Canada for 2 years or try to stay in USA and work in an underserved area?

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    Answer to your question

    I am going back to Canada to do the forth year (fellowship in Medicine, they call R4 in Canada). Internal Medicine is 4 years in Canada and Internists are considered as specialist and paid as specialists. As an internist you donít see general patients you only do consult and see referral patients from GPs (family practitioners).

    Good luck in your endeavors.

    Torontonian

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