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    UK and Australian Experience Recognized in Canada?

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    The Canadians do recognize British and Australian experience? I didn't know that. A friend of mine who moved there from the UK is having a lot of difficulty getting a license to practice medicine in Canada. He completed his training in the UK and for the last four years in Canada he has been unsuccessful in being able to practice there.

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    here ya go

    Depends on the province,

    Currently Manitoba and Newfoundland are the provinces that recognize this education the most readily but with Ontario's new program it's getting easier to practice there.

    http://www.cpso.on.ca/info_physician.../rpafactsh.htm

    http://www.nmb.ca/Links.asp





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    The Medical Licensure Program for International Medical Graduates (MLPIMG) will assist foreign trained physicians to obtain medical licensure to practise as primary care physicians in Manitoba.
    International Medical Graduates may apply to the Faculty of Medicine, University of Manitoba for an assessment to determine if they have the medical knowledge and skills required for licensure in Manitoba. The process includes written and oral examinations as well as a clinical assessment using the Clinicians Assessment and Professional Enhancement (CAPE) process.

    International Medical Graduates who complete the assessment with satisfactory results and who meet all other requirements for conditional registration may apply to the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Manitoba to determine their eligibility for conditional registration. They will have up to 5 years to complete the Medical Council of Canada Qualifying Examinations. During that period the International Medical Graduate will practise in an underserviced area of the province (as declared by the Minister of Health for the Province of Manitoba) with a medical practice advisor who will provide support and guidance to the individual.

    If the assessment process identifies that additional training is needed to meet the licensure requirements, International Medical Graduates may be eligible for a training program offered by the Faculty of Medicine. This individualized program is designed to enhance the physician’s previous training and address the specific learning needs as identified in the assessment process. The enhanced training must be completed within one year.

    APPLICATION INFORMATION
    Included with this application are:

    a documentation checklist, explaining documentation that must accompany each application;
    a list of important dates;
    an authorization of release of report of assessment form, to be completed and returned with the application;
    a "Certificate of Preregistration Physician Training" form; the original must be sent, as soon as possible, to the medical school that provided postgraduate medical training. You must provide contact names of the individuals at the medical school at which you completed your postgraduate medical training (include phone/fax numbers, addresses and e-mail). This should be on a separate piece of paper, addressed to the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Manitoba, and included with your application. There will be a documentation fee associated with credential review by the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Manitoba.
    NOTE: Information in this document may be subject to change without notice.

    Please note: you will need the Adobe Acrobat Reader to view the above PDF documents. If you do not have the Adobe Acrobat Reader installed on your computer, please click here:


    http://www.gov.mb.ca/health/mlpimg/index.html

    Program Description
    The program is divided into three sections:

    Preparation and Pre-assessment
    Assessment/Enhanced Training
    Licensure
    1. Preparation and Pre-Assessment

    Language testing and training programs are available to all International Medical Graduates preparing for the CAPE, the licensure examinations, as well as orientation to medical practice in Canada.

    International Medical Graduates whose first language is not English, are strongly encouraged to take an English language assessment through Manitoba Labour and Immigration. For information contact (204) 945-6300.
    The Academic English Program for University and College Entry (AEPUCE) program focuses on academic language required for post-secondary study in Manitoba.
    The Canadian Communication for Physicians Trained Abroad (CCPTA) program offers training about the Canadian health care system. This includes communicating with patients, physicians and other health care providers, legal and ethical issues related to medical practice in Canada, and simulated case management.
    Physicians who are assessed at less than level 8 on the Canadian Language Benchmarks are strongly encouraged to participate in English language training.
    Participation in AEPUCE and/or CCPTA is not mandatory but is strongly recommended prior to the CAPE assessment. Both programs are designed to help develop language skills and knowledge, and the ability to study and work successfully in Canada’s health care system.

    For information or applications for AEPUCE or CCPTA, call Manitoba Labour and Immigration at (204) 945-6300 or Red River College at (204) 945-6151.



    2. Assessment/Enhanced Training

    Candidates applying for the assessment must meet all of the following criteria:

    must be a landed immigrant or Canadian citizen;
    must be a resident of Manitoba for at least 12 consecutive months before the CAPE assessment date;
    must have a minimum of one year of postgraduate medical training acceptable to the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Manitoba; and
    must have an unexpired pass standing on the Medical Council of Canada Evaluating Examination (MCCEE)* or Medical Council of Canada Qualifying Examination Part 1 (MCCQE1)
    *MCCEE must be obtained after January 2000. This is in order to fulfill the requirement for entry onto the conditional register.

    ASSESSMENT
    The Clinicians Assessment and Professional Enhancement (CAPE) process will be used to measure the performance of the applicant against provincial standards for physician practice.

    The CAPE is a 3-day assessment process with four components:

    multiple choice questions
    structured oral interview
    therapeutics assessment
    clinical and communication skills evaluation using standardized patient scenarios
    Representatives from the Faculty of Medicine, Manitoba Health, and the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Manitoba will sit on a committee to review applications and select candidates for the assessment. This committee will also review the assessment results and make recommendations regarding an applicant’s next steps on the path to medical licensure. Results will be provided to the candidates, including recommendations regarding licensure and next steps.

    Candidates who have been accepted into MLPIMG may be eligible for financial assistance, through Manitoba Labour and Immigration's Credentials Recognition Program, to cover the cost of the CAPE. Upon acceptance, candidates will be provided with detailed information on the terms of the financial assistance available.

    ENHANCED TRAINING
    Candidates who meet the program criteria and require additional training prior to medical licensure will be directed to the Faculty of Medicine to discuss an individualized training program, which must be completed in a maximum of one year. A candidate will not be eligible for the individualized training program if weaknesses are identified in more than three of the core areas of medical training, or if more than one year of enhanced training would be necessary to address large deficiencies in less than three areas. A CAPE reassessment will follow any satisfactory completion of enhanced training.

    Application forms are available from the Faculty of Medicine by calling (204) 975-7757.

    Completed application forms must be received by the IMGP Program Director by the deadline date and must include all applicable supporting documentation.

    Up to 10 applicants per year will be accepted for an assessment. Applicants can apply a maximum of two times but priority will be given to first time applicants.

    Prior to the granting of a conditional license, OR before entering the enhanced training program, applicants must have a written offer of employment from a Regional Health Authority (RHA). For those entering the enhanced training program this will include an agreement to fund the physician for the period of training.



    3. Licensure

    Candidates who do not require enhanced training may apply for conditional registration with the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Manitoba upon receiving confirmation of satisfactory results on the assessment. They must also fulfill the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Manitoba requirement of two years of acceptable postgraduate medical training.

    Candidates requiring enhanced training may apply for conditional registration with the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Manitoba upon receiving confirmation of satisfactory completion of the training program and the reassessment.

    All International Medical Graduates participating in the MLPIMG will agree to practice in the sponsoring region of the province while on conditional registration with the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Manitoba. Upon receiving conditional registration they may begin primary care practice. During this time they will work closely with a practice advisor, have mandatory audits, and will have up to five years to obtain the Licentiate of the Medical Council of Canada (LMCC).

    Upon obtaining full registration physicians who received financial support from an RHA to complete the enhanced training will be required to practise in the sponsoring region an additional amount of time equivalent to the time spent in the enhanced training program.

    Completed application forms to the International Medical Graduate Program (including all supporting documents) must be sent to:

    Medical Licensure Program for International Medical Graduates
    c/o International Medical Graduates Program (IMGP)
    University of Manitoba Faculty of Medicine
    S109 – 750 Bannatyne Avenue
    Winnipeg, Manitoba
    R3E 0W3

    www.nlhba.nf.ca/PR_FAQ.htm

    Q. What are the requirements for a provisional license for Family Medicine?

    A. Graduates of a School or Faculty of Medicine which is recognized by the World Health Organization and which has carried out a continuous medical education program for more than ten years, during which it offered and continues to offer, a medical training program that is of at least 48 months duration, may be eligible for licensure. Applicants must have satisfactorily completed a rotating internship of at least one year’s duration. Applicants may be required to have satisfactorily completed the evaluating examination of the Medical Council of Canada and may be required to demonstrate to the Medical Board a reasonable fluency in the English language. In order to demonstrate reasonable fluency in the English language the Medical Board may require an applicant to obtain a computer based score of 237 in TOEFL (Test of English as a Foreign Language) and a score of 50 in TSE (Test of Spoken English).


    Q. What are the requirements for a provisional license for specialty practice?

    A. Applicants who are applying for a provision license for entry into sponsored practice in a specialty of medicine must have graduated in medicine from an approved Faculty or School of Medicine and must have completed a minimum of four years of postgraduate training in the specialty in Canada, the United States of America, the United Kingdom, the Republic of Ireland, Australia, New Zealand or the Republic of South Africa, and may be required to have passed a specialist higher qualification examination administered by a medical authority responsible for specialist training in the country where the applicant completed post graduate training. Applicants who have completed three years of postgraduate training in internal medicine, pediatrics or emergency medicine in the United States of America in a program accredited by the Accreditation Council on Graduate Medical Education and who acquired by examination board certification in either of these specialties from the appropriate American Board may also be eligible for licensure.

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    Canada

    I still consider Canada a very risky proposition for an IMG versus the US. At least and the US there is a much better chance of an IMG to practice medicine.

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    Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeMD2B
    I still consider Canada a very risky proposition for an IMG versus the US. At least and the US there is a much better chance of an IMG to practice medicine.
    Yeah it is risky but not as risky if u have a previous residency already. the advantage to practicing in canada with a previous residency is that u won't have to repeat it (providing it's from a western country) unlike in the US where u will likely have to repeat ur entire residency.

    The main reason why canadians find it so hard to return is that they dont' have a residency. for whatever reason they pick places like the caribbean where there is NO WAY of obtaining a residency. so their only chance is to go the US to obtain one. if they would have planned it out in advance and gone to a place where they COULD get a residency...canada would not be so difficult to return to.

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    for whatever reason they pick places like the caribbean where there is NO WAY of obtaining a residency.
    Several Caribbean grads obtain Canadian residecies every year. Attending another school doesn't make one's chances much better.
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    A Friend's Experience

    I had a friend who attended one of the best medical schools in the UK, completed his training and residency in the UK, and then moved to Canada on the account of a Canadian immigration officer telling him that his skills would be needed there as a physician. This was five years ago, my friend cannot get a license to practice medicine nor can he get into the education programs for International graduates because of the limited number of spaces. He has been teaching at a junior college part-time and doing a number of odd jobs since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanIMG
    for whatever reason they pick places like the caribbean where there is NO WAY of obtaining a residency.
    Several Caribbean grads obtain Canadian residecies every year. Attending another school doesn't make one's chances much better.
    I think u misunderstood..i didn't mean obtaining a residency in Canada i meant obtaining a residency in the country where u got ur degree.

    If they would have attended a country like the UK for example there is a very excellent chance they could have done their residency there.

    ONce u have a residency coming to canada is much easier.

    Oh and by the way if u ask a residency director directly the will tell u that where u attend medical school does make a difference. People coming from the caribbean are not treated the same as someone coming from the UK or Ireland for example.

    The fact is simple if ur looking for a residency within Canada it's highly political and its completely up to the RD to either accept a student or close the program for no reason. In that regard I would have to say that Canada is both unfair and difficult to get into.

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    A Friend's Experience

    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeMD2B
    I had a friend who attended one of the best medical schools in the UK, completed his training and residency in the UK, and then moved to Canada on the account of a Canadian immigration officer telling him that his skills would be needed there as a physician. This was five years ago, my friend cannot get a license to practice medicine nor can he get into the education programs for International graduates because of the limited number of spaces. He has been teaching at a junior college part-time and doing a number of odd jobs since.
    Well perhaps ur friend hasn't been trying in the right places. I too have a friend (who's email address i would be more than happy to disclose...to prove i'm not making this up) who's dad came to england from INDIA and did a FP residency. He is now happily practicing in Edmonton.

    I have a feeling ur friend probably moved to a place where his skills may not be recognized. I'm sure that the proof I provided that in newfoundland and Manitoba his SKILLS ARE recognized is enough...after all it's directly from their webpage. did he try applying there? How long did he practice in the UK after doing his residency? All of this makes a difference...u can't just jump to places like BC or Ontario and expect to work in Toronto...BUT if u plan properly it is possible to practice within Canada.

    Finally almost 100% of my own doctors are from the UK or South Africa...this includes my GP, my cardiologist etc. Though i feel badly for ur friend...he must be doing somethign wrong. the proof is simply that if u were to look up docs in almost every province (esp. Newfoundland) u would find that a vast majority have had their medical training from another country... probably Europe.

    Ands its quite obvious that many provinces in Canada (unfairly) give preferences to Docs from Western countries..as u can see in the highlighted portion of the newfoundland link ....but that's just the way it is.

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    US versus Canada

    If I got a chance to practice in the US, especially in a warmer locale like the Southeast or Southwest, with a higher salary and lower taxes, it would be a no-brainer. If I had a choice between Miami or Toronto, I would pick Miami any day of the week, especially with all the fine attractions that Miami has for a single guy.

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