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    Any info on peds in Michigan?

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    Anyone who has done a peds rotation in Michigan with Providence/St. John? How is it in terms of location, hours? Any info would be appreciated.

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    I did peds last year at St. John and thought it was a pretty good rotation. First off, it's 8 weeks, whereas everywhere else it's only 6. This is a St. John requirement. The breakdown for the rotation can be divided 1 of 2 ways: either 4 weeks outpatient, 2 weeks inpatient, 2 weeks NICU, or 2 weeks peds ER, 2 weeks outpatient, 2 weeks inpatient, 2 weeks NICU.

    For outpatient, you get set up at one of about 8 different clinics in the area. The clinic I was at was pretty great, I learned a lot and saw a ton of patients, but the hours were longer. I was usually there 830-6, but it went quick. Other offices have better hours, and some only work 3-4 days a week.

    Inpatient was pretty terrible. You do it at Providence Park, which is a nicer hospital in Novi, since there is no peds at Providence Main in Southfield. However, the unit there is only 10 beds, so most of the days you are sitting around doing a lot of nothing. The attendings are hit or miss as well. There are 2 decent ones that like to teach, but the others completely ignore the students. Hours, are usually 730-4, so not terrible, and no call. This was the worst part of the rotation, but, its only 2 weeks.

    NICU, I loved. You do these 2 weeks at Providence Main in Southfield. It is a very laid back 2 weeks. You go in at 9-930, and are usually out by 2. You follow one baby, and the attendings teach a lot.

    For peds ER, I personally didn't do it, but all my buddies that did said it was great. You work 4-5 shifts a week, 430-midnight, and you also do this at Providence Park in their Peds ER. I hear it is very worthwhile and you learn a lot.

    Now, for the negatives. Every Monday, you have to go down to St. John Main in Detroit. In the morning from 8-12, you sit in the library and "study". Yes, you have mandatory study hall. Then at 12 you have a noon conference with free "lunch". I was in the service for 5 years, and let me tell you, this food is hit or miss, and when it missed, it missed huge. But, its free, so, I can't complain much. Then you have nothing for 2 hours again, then lecture at 3 or 4. Then you're done. The REALLY crappy part is Tuesday: you have to go BACK to St John Main from 7-8 for a 1 hour lecture. The lectures are usually pretty bad, and the worst thing is you drive 45 minutes or so just to turn around at 8 and drive back to whatever rotation you're on. It's a lot of time wasted.

    The last part is the "oral exam" Dr. R, the course director gives you. At the beginning of the rotation you get a study guide. If you read all the topics on there, the oral exam is a joke. You sit in his office and he asks you pretty basic questions. Some people do poorly on this, either because they don't read, they don't have a good knowledge base, or they're weak people that freak out when they get grilled a little bit.

    Overall, the rotation was decent, and you do learn, but there are parts that suck just because of poor course design.
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    Did you do any other rotations at Providence? If you don't mind I'd like to ask some questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vafali09 View Post
    Did you do any other rotations at Providence? If you don't mind I'd like to ask some questions.

    If you have any Qs on Providence rotations let me know...shoot me a PM


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