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    aagupta2 is offline Newbie 513 points
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    Surgery at Washington Adventist in Tacoma Park Maryland (Dc Area): Green book core

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    Hi all, I wanted to write a quick review of this site since I'm part of first group here. I personally am really enjoying it here, but bear in mind that this is my first rotation so I don't have anything to compare it to. The area: Tacoma Park is a small historical city which is slightly north of DC, and about an hour south of Baltimore. It is green, with rolling hills and has many nice trails for jogging if you are into that sort of thing. It is far enough from dc that someone without a car may clame theRe is nothing to do, but if you don't mind being off the beaten path, or are willing to hop on the metro which is only 2 miles from the hospital, you will be fine. Living: housing is offered at the dorms for the Washington Adventist university which will make the commute to the hospital only a 2 minute walk. This is offered at $650 a month for dorm style living which is pretty cheap for the area. However, if you plan on living in the dorms, that the Adventist are pretty conservative christians who observe the sabbat, don't eat meat, and dont drink caffeine. While you can get these things at the hospital, and it isn't a big deal, figure they would be more easily offended if you like to drink and party or smoke. Also they keep the genders separated in the dorms with rules as far as when the other genders can visit, so while I haven't tested them on enforcement of these rules, it seems it is not a place conducive to overnight guest.People: The staff both at the university and at the hospital have been extremely nice. Since this is a religion based institution the people are very friendly and hospitable. People seem excited to have visitors from Antigua .Teaching Experience: thus far we have had one to one interactions with surgeons which is amazing. The residents are from Howard, and are also very eager to help teach. With such an intimate setting we are able to learn a lot and able to practice things like suturing, stapling skin, retracting and cutting sutures, which while not being super glamorous, it is great to be involved in the process. The surgeons are happy to answer questions. 2/3s of my time is in the OR, and the rest of the time is in my surgeons clinic, which makes for a good variety of cases.Amenities: in the dorms Internet is included, and we are allowed to use the gym, and our badges let us into the doctors lounge for lunch.I'm not sure what else to add. Would be glad to answer any other questions.

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    hey...i pm'ed you! thanksssss

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    Can you please tell us what the hours are like here for this rotation? How would you rate the level of work here in terms of difficulty? Are there other AUA students with you? Thanks.

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    aagupta2 is offline Newbie 513 points
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    Some additional info: If flying in your best bet is to fly into dc to Reagan airport (DCA). From there you can take the metro to Tacoma park, which is pretty quick (and cheap), and the metro station is less then 2 miles from the hospital. From the airport you would take the yellow line to the red line and just head north. The area is pretty safe, especially on campus, and while I am glad to have a car, a person could get by on public transportation.
    We are expected to work whenever our attending is working which on some days will be 7 to 7. In many surgeries there are complications, so something that is planned to take an hour might take 4 hours, and it is important that you are prepared to deal with that. Surgeries are generally not scheduled for the weekend, but there was an appendectomy last saturday that my doctor was on call for, so I did do that, but most weekends are free.
    While this is my first rotation, and I don't have much to compare it with, then general consensus of the 6 of us in the pilot group is that the workload is pretty chill for a green book surgery rotation. I believe they are working on setting up some lectures or didactics but as for now the curriculum is pretty much at the disgretion if the attending. They might ask you to read up on a perticular diagnosis or surgery at the end of the day, but they seem to be mostly interested in seeing that you are paying attention and engaged in what all is going on.
    Other things I forgot to mention: In the dorms the internet has content filters. So no P2P or stuff like that, and even sites like collehumor are blocked. However Facebook, gmail, and YouTube all still work.
    Any other questions or concerns, just let me know and I will try to answer them.

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    Wow thanks for the great info dude, very helpful, I am starting there 10/24 thanks to your post. Kudos! RKJ.
    Psych (X) Medicine(april-jul harbor baltimore 2010) Surgery(please schedule me) Peds(X) Ob/Gyn(please schedule me) Family(please schedule me)
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    Radiology (right now) Neurology(working on it) Rehab(working on it) Pathology(working on it) ER(working on it) CCU(working on it) Cardiology(working on it) Nephrology(workign on it)

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    Is this a 8 or 12 week surgery rotation? So no lectures yet? Just surgery/OR time and reading up on cases? Most days what are your hours, I know you mentioned 7 to 7 some days.

    Also, the dorms are like college dorms? Communal bathrooms? Any kitchen area?

    Thanks for answering all the questions.
    Last edited by phanatic; 07-20-2011 at 03:36 PM.

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    thanks for all the information!! it is very nice of you to take the time to let us know about the core! also-are dorms available year round? bc u guys r in the summer so maybe there will not be housing once fall rolls around and college starts up again? i dont know if u have any info on that. thanks!

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    This is an 8 week rotation. The way I understand it it that core surgery is 8 weeks and we are required to do a 4 week surgery elective. If a site is 12 weeks it would include the surgical elective. This site is not set up this way since it is just 8 weeks.
    My understanding is that the dorm will be available all year. Dorms are straight up undergrad status. Small bed, communal bathrooms, no kitchenette. There is one table in the room and you do have a sink and a mirror. I got a mini fridge and a microwave which helps. I believe when it's not summertime we will be able to get a cheap meal plan that is part of the university. Of course it will all be veg, but it would probably be ok.
    As far as the work load, it depends on your attending. If your attending is a workaholic, you will be too, if you get assigned to a relaxed surgeon, it probably won't be as busy. I only had to work 830-3 today with an hour an a half for lunch. Our patient had to bail on surgery so the afternoon opened up. Some days will be much busier. Figure that it is overall not super intense but you will have long days, which can seem even worse since you stand the entire time in the OR. Honestly, I am glad I got this rotation and hope the rest of mine are like this. Any other concerns I will answer if you reply or pm me.

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    are you sure it's green? i don't see it on the acgme web site

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    aagupta2 is offline Newbie 513 points
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    There are residents from Howard. Everyone here says it's green including Dr. Peter Bell when he came to visit. I don't know about the website, but I was under the inpression if there are residents in the given field it is green book. There certainly are residents. I'm not sure if this is technically Howard at washington Adventist. But yeah, it is green book.

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