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    Could someone shed some light on this? possible b1-visa problem

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    Recent VISA development (from [SGU])

    The following was just sent by the Office of Admission. Could someone shed some light on this? Thanks.

    "Although your clinical training is at least two years away and much can change, we are informing you of a recent development since you were offered admission to St. George's University.

    At the present time (June 2011), the US State Department is not issuing B-1 visas to non-US medical students for the purpose of clinical training in US hospitals. The University is in continuing discussions with the US State Department to address this issue. Until further notice, with the exception of Canadian students, all non-US SGU students will be placed in affiliated hospitals outside the US for their clinical training program.

    Canadian SGU students currently appear to be unaffected by this issue, however this is subject to change without notice and will be addressed accordingly if necessary.

    The University provides students, at the time of hospital placement confirmation, with the most current supporting documentation necessary to facilitate the pertinent visa application process. SGU medical students are instructed not to apply for a visa for the purpose of clinical training without first following guidelines issued by the Clinical Department at that time and securing the appropriate supporting documentation from the University."

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    if ur not a green card holder , u cant come back to the states.
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    B1 visa for clinical rotations

    Hi there,

    I've been through this. There is a way around this, and a legal way.

    The deal is that USCIS does not allow to STUDY in US under B1/B2 visa, but what I do to get the visa and I-94 at the airport, I don't use the word STUDY at all.
    I explain that I am a

    "foreign doctor coming to US to do my externship and observe american doctors and exchange knowledge, and upon completion of thereof, I will return to practice to my country".

    STUDY word is prohibited under B1/B2 visa, but there is a provision specifically for foreign doctors (you can find it online) that allows them to do observational externships under this type of visa.

    I gave up on going through my school regarding this problem (I am from AUA)

    hope it helps, if you have qs email me.

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    Hey Islander98!

    Can you pls send me your personal email?
    I can't send you an email on here, because Im a newbie and I have less than 5 posts.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by islander 98 View Post
    Hi there,

    I've been through this. There is a way around this, and a legal way.

    The deal is that USCIS does not allow to STUDY in US under B1/B2 visa, but what I do to get the visa and I-94 at the airport, I don't use the word STUDY at all.
    I explain that I am a

    "foreign doctor coming to US to do my externship and observe american doctors and exchange knowledge, and upon completion of thereof, I will return to practice to my country".

    STUDY word is prohibited under B1/B2 visa, but there is a provision specifically for foreign doctors (you can find it online) that allows them to do observational externships under this type of visa.

    I gave up on going through my school regarding this problem (I am from AUA)

    hope it helps, if you have qs email me.
    Now, when did you try to get the visa?
    As long as you have a letter from AUA stating that you are doing clinical rotations and you are NOT going to be paid, and that you have ties to your country (ex. bank account, loan, house, spouse.... etc) and that you have enough money to support yourself.
    That is all they need to give you the visa.
    That email was from SGU to SGU students, I never heard anything about this. I got my last visa/I-94 B1 renewed in April.

    I dont know if anything changed since then.

    PS: nevermind, you are not Canadian.
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    The B1 visa and I-94 form

    Quote Originally Posted by danli77 View Post
    Now, when did you try to get the visa?
    As long as you have a letter from AUA stating that you are doing clinical rotations and you are NOT going to be paid, and that you have ties to your country (ex. bank account, loan, house, spouse.... etc) and that you have enough money to support yourself.
    That is all they need to give you the visa.
    That email was from SGU to SGU students, I never heard anything about this. I got my last visa/I-94 B1 renewed in April.

    I dont know if anything changed since then.

    PS: nevermind, you are not Canadian.
    I am a non Canadian national and would be glad of some advice on this matter. Could you please let me know what wording is used by AUA in their letter supporting your application for a B1 visa. According to the law as quoted from a SGU forum the B1 visa issued for medical training is as follows

    "Aliens wishing to obtain hands-on clerkship experience can get a B-1 visa based on the following:

    "An alien who is studying at a foreign school and seeks to enter the US temporarily in order to take an "elective clerkship" at a U.S. medical school's hospital without remuneration from the hospital. The medical clerkship is only for medical students pursuing their normal third or fourth year internship in a U.S. medical school as part of a foreign medical school degree. (An "elective clerkship" affords practical experience and instructions in the various disciplines of medicine under the supervision and direction of faculty physicians at a U.S. medical school's hospital as an approved part of the alien's foreign medical school. education. It does not apply to graduate medical training, which is restricted by 212 (e) and normally requires a J-visa.)"


    Does the letter you given to you by AUA state that AUA is a foreign medical school seeking to give its students elective clerkship training in various disciplines under the supervision and direction of faculty physicians at a U.S. medical school's hospital as an approved part of the your foreign medical school education.?in this case AUA .
    Does your supporting documentation include the places and calendar of your rotations. If you have 2 years of rotations and electives how are these listed to be shown to the
    Border officials .?
    How often have you gone home / out of US because of the date stamped in the I-94 form ? How soon do you return to the US to resume training? i.e what is the duration of the shortest period of time you have taken between finishing one set of rotations and leaving the country and resuming clinicals by re -entering the US
    Do you do electives /rotations in your home country/outside US for a short time and then return to resume rotations/ electives in the US?
    When you leave the US at the end of your maximum B1 I-94 6 month stay do you have to leave to your home country or can you cross the border to Canada or Mexico and return to the US to obtain a new I-94 card with a new date stamped on it.?
    If you are a British national
    Sorry for all these questions but trying to do rotations with a B1 visa seems to me a very roundabout process that leaves the fate of you completing your clinical training on time in the hands of the border official.

    I would deeply appreciate an early reply. Thank you.

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    Answers to your questions

    Here we go.

    1. I'm an Antiguan. Non US and non Canadian.
    2. There is no occupation or profession in my passport. But when I fill it out in other documents it states: student.
    3. I've got my B1 twice so far: both times for 2 years. It has already expired, and I just applied for the third one and was denied last week.

    They required " A letter from a US medical school stating their affiliation with your foreign medical school, outlining the nature and length of your clinical clerkships and stating that your supervising physician is a US medical school faculty member".

    AUA(my school) issued a letter that was not exactly what was required, and the embassy denied B visa. Now I'm thinking to either fight with AUA for the right letter or go with ECFMG, since I am registered for CS in November, and they issue a Visa letter.

    Or another option that I have is to apply for F1 visa through Kaplan course.

    3. I left US about 6 times altogether in between my rotations while being on I-94, but I never overstayed the time given. I was given different times: 6 months, 1 year, 1 year.

    4. When you leave US on I-94, you can return as soon as the next day, it really doesn't matter, as long as you left on time. But in my case, I usually returned in anything from 2 weeks to 2 months.

    5. I found out that Puerto Rico airport gives the least trouble and gives a longer I-94 (1 year in my case). The worst was Chicago, NY is ok. These are the only airports I entered/left.
    I entered and left from the different airports each time, I didn't make an effort to choose a certain airport. I really don't think it matters to enter and exit the same or different airport.

    6. AUA really never gave me an official outline like you posted from sgu. But see above what I got from the Embassy as for requirements for the hospital and rotations. They gave me form 221 g with that statement in it.

    7. I still haven't taken CK and CS. I am registered for CS for November this year, and I have a Visa letter from them. I'm thinking of using it. I cannot take CS anywhere else in the world.
    As far a CK, I also have to take it in US, and I don't know about Visa Waiver to enter for the exam, I've checked Visa Waiver eligibility briefly online, and figure that I'm not eligible for it. But can you let me know if it is possible for the exam?

    I hope this helps.
    Let me know if you have more questions, don't hesitate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by islander 98 View Post
    Here we go.

    1. I'm an Antiguan. Non US and non Canadian.
    2. There is no occupation or profession in my passport. But when I fill it out in other documents it states: student.
    3. I've got my B1 twice so far: both times for 2 years. It has already expired, and I just applied for the third one and was denied last week.

    They required " A letter from a US medical school stating their affiliation with your foreign medical school, outlining the nature and length of your clinical clerkships and stating that your supervising physician is a US medical school faculty member".

    AUA(my school) issued a letter that was not exactly what was required, and the embassy denied B visa. Now I'm thinking to either fight with AUA for the right letter or go with ECFMG, since I am registered for CS in November, and they issue a Visa letter.

    Or another option that I have is to apply for F1 visa through Kaplan course.

    3. I left US about 6 times altogether in between my rotations while being on I-94, but I never overstayed the time given. I was given different times: 6 months, 1 year, 1 year.

    4. When you leave US on I-94, you can return as soon as the next day, it really doesn't matter, as long as you left on time. But in my case, I usually returned in anything from 2 weeks to 2 months.

    5. I found out that Puerto Rico airport gives the least trouble and gives a longer I-94 (1 year in my case). The worst was Chicago, NY is ok. These are the only airports I entered/left.
    I entered and left from the different airports each time, I didn't make an effort to choose a certain airport. I really don't think it matters to enter and exit the same or different airport.

    6. AUA really never gave me an official outline like you posted from sgu. But see above what I got from the Embassy as for requirements for the hospital and rotations. They gave me form 221 g with that statement in it.

    7. I still haven't taken CK and CS. I am registered for CS for November this year, and I have a Visa letter from them. I'm thinking of using it. I cannot take CS anywhere else in the world.
    As far a CK, I also have to take it in US, and I don't know about Visa Waiver to enter for the exam, I've checked Visa Waiver eligibility briefly online, and figure that I'm not eligible for it. But can you let me know if it is possible for the exam?

    I hope this helps.
    Let me know if you have more questions, don't hesitate.
    Thank you for answering my post so promptly.
    First of all this is a most important post which should be a sticky and posted in the main section of the forum as this affects all students.
    Thank you for your very kind offer to answer any further questions despite what must be for you a very trying and depressing time..
    My questions are -
    1. What help is AUA providing you to get your B1 visa so that you can resume your clinical training.
    2.I don't think any Caribbean school has an affiliation with a US medical school.
    If AUA could arrange for the Medical school's hospital at which you will do your " electives " to issue a letter "stating their affiliation with the US medical school and with your foreign medical school, outlining the nature and length of your clinical clerkships and stating that your supervising physician is a US medical school faculty member "especially if you are rotating with medical students of a US medical school and the hospital is green book, will this be sufficient for the US Embassy visa officials to give you a B1 visa?.
    2.Will AUA be able to provide you alternative training such as training in the UK to finish your clinical education where you will be able to write Step 2 CK This is what SGU is offering
    3.How many others in AUA are in your predicament unable to complete clinicals?
    4.If you got your B1 visa twice amounting to a total of 2 years and I-94 given for 6months 1 year and 1year ( is 1year and 1year a typo repetition or were you given I-94 forms stamped on two occasions for 1 year ?
    5 Why did you leave the US a total of 6 times ? Is this because you didn't get back to back electives and rotations? Also when your I-94 form was stamped for 1 year did you show the border patrol officer letter/s issued by the hospital/s with rotation dates that lasted a year?
    6.While technically when you leave US on I-94, you can return as soon as the next day do you think it prudent to return so soon ? Isn't the time duration of each stay determined at the discretion of the border patrol officer that stamps your I-94 form
    7.How long does a F1 visa with kaplan last? Do they issue one for 6 months while the course lasts for 3 and will you be able to complete any electives /rotations you may have to finish in the remaining period ? Or is the time duration once again at the discretion of the border officials.
    Sorry for the detailed questions . I am very worried that if I have problems with visas, my school may not help me out with alternative arrangements but instead put the onus on me to fend for myself .
    Once again awaiting an early reply. Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by manuka honey View Post
    Thank you for answering my post so promptly.
    First of all this is a most important post which should be a sticky and posted in the main section of the forum as this affects all students.
    Thank you for your very kind offer to answer any further questions despite what must be for you a very trying and depressing time..
    My questions are -
    1. What help is AUA providing you to get your B1 visa so that you can resume your clinical training.
    2.I don't think any Caribbean school has an affiliation with a US medical school.
    If AUA could arrange for the Medical school's hospital at which you will do your " electives " to issue a letter "stating their affiliation with the US medical school and with your foreign medical school, outlining the nature and length of your clinical clerkships and stating that your supervising physician is a US medical school faculty member "especially if you are rotating with medical students of a US medical school and the hospital is green book, will this be sufficient for the US Embassy visa officials to give you a B1 visa?.
    2.Will AUA be able to provide you alternative training such as training in the UK to finish your clinical education where you will be able to write Step 2 CK This is what SGU is offering
    3.How many others in AUA are in your predicament unable to complete clinicals?
    4.If you got your B1 visa twice amounting to a total of 2 years and I-94 given for 6months 1 year and 1year ( is 1year and 1year a typo repetition or were you given I-94 forms stamped on two occasions for 1 year ?
    5 Why did you leave the US a total of 6 times ? Is this because you didn't get back to back electives and rotations? Also when your I-94 form was stamped for 1 year did you show the border patrol officer letter/s issued by the hospital/s with rotation dates that lasted a year?
    6.While technically when you leave US on I-94, you can return as soon as the next day do you think it prudent to return so soon ? Isn't the time duration of each stay determined at the discretion of the border patrol officer that stamps your I-94 form
    7.How long does a F1 visa with kaplan last? Do they issue one for 6 months while the course lasts for 3 and will you be able to complete any electives /rotations you may have to finish in the remaining period ? Or is the time duration once again at the discretion of the border officials.
    Sorry for the detailed questions . I am very worried that if I have problems with visas, my school may not help me out with alternative arrangements but instead put the onus on me to fend for myself .
    Once again awaiting an early reply. Thank you
    AUA has an affiliation with San Juan in PR...not sure if that would help in this case, however. Could the poster finish up in PR?
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    Yet another question for islander 98. Please answer.
    1. what type of documentation did AUA provide you with to support your application for a visa for fifth semester in the US and what type of visa did you get?What was the time duration? Was it a F1 visa as you had to study for the Basic Science 5th semester? Thanks once again for an early answer.
    2. Hope you can get your entry into the US using the route suggested by siheg
    Once again All the best

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