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    rahulb is offline Senior Member 695 points
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    surgery at wyckoff 10/13 (AOA)

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    tell me about this rotation please. i was told it was AOA so i need to know how it will limit my residency options.
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    DontBelievetheHype is offline Newbie 510 points
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    First of all you need to research where you want to practice, Massachusetts for example, call the medical board or go online and find out the requirements for licensure. You must educate yourself. Its your degree, your money, your reputation, and your life- take nothing for granted.
    As for Wyckoff- Surgery is not great there, if you want to be a surgeon Don't go there. If you don't care about surgery or Greenbook, then go- thats it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DontBelievetheHype View Post
    As for Wyckoff- Surgery is not great there, if you want to be a surgeon Don't go there. If you don't care about surgery or Greenbook, then go- thats it.
    Why is this? because residency programs look down on weak programs or because of a possibly weak LOR from a surgeon who is not well connected? I'm about to start clinicals and feel clueless about the game... lets say Rahulb is set on surgery, goes to wycoff, works hard, scores a >90 shelf, gets a great LOR from a surgeon at wycoff and blows up all his steps... why would this be bad come time for matching with residencies? Thanks

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    i was told 'take this rotation or go back on the wait list'. having to deal with the lack of cores and now threats of longer waiting periods might be sufficient to 'push' students into rotations they wouldn't normally accept.

    i spoke to the AUA lawyers and they agreed to cover my rent in baltimore if i choose to move to new york for this surgery rotation. the only problem is other students have said wyckoff isn't the greatest place to do surgery, especially if you're planning to match into surgery.

    anyway looks like i need to make a decision by tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rahulb View Post
    i was told 'take this rotation or go back on the wait list'. anyway looks like i need to make a decision by tomorrow.
    this whole situation sucks. Looks like I'm going to need to learn spanish quick...

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    If Wycoff is not the greatest place to do surgery...which hospital is?

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    Dont go there...quick, cancel. You might learn something but may not help you get an interview at their program. The AUA Chancellor is a very famous surgeon out of Rochester...hmmm, do you know him? Just wait until he gets you a core rotation at his hospital.

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    Once again...nydoc70, please stop talking!!! you do not know what your talking about!! (because your not a student)

    Listen to the advice from students who have been to these rotations guys! Know that if you want to go into surgery, do a rotation at a hospital that has a excellent surgery program, not just an O.K. rotation at best.

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    From my understanding it works like this

    There are 3 different types of rotations we can do.
    1-A rotation where that specific rotation is affiliated with an ACGME residency program making this rotation GREEN
    2- a rotation where that specific rotation is affiliated with an AOA residency program making this rotation BLUE
    3- a rotation where that specific rotation is NOT affiliated with either AOA or ACGME residency program making this rotation BLUE.

    So basically anything that is not ACGME accrediated is blue, but there are 2 different kinds of blue rotations.

    For state licensure it varies for each state. I know a few states do NOT disciminate on if you have done blue OR green rotations. Now the problem is that even though I may be able to practice in this state, I may have trouble getting residency. This is because the residency might not accept an AOA rotation. Weird huh?

    So in other words, I may be able to practice in a state that does not differentiate bw blue or green but I may not be able to get certain residencies because that specific residency progarm wants GREEN. So you're best bet is to call the state board, and see what the requirements for PRACTICING in the state are. Then you might want to call certain residency programs and see what there criteria are for OBTAINING a specific residency.

    Its a pain in the *** and this school isnt making it any easier. Oh and please correct me if I said anything false.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cosine View Post
    From my understanding it works like this

    There are 3 different types of rotations we can do.
    1-A rotation where that specific rotation is affiliated with an ACGME residency program making this rotation GREEN
    2- a rotation where that specific rotation is affiliated with an AOA residency program making this rotation BLUE
    3- a rotation where that specific rotation is NOT affiliated with either AOA or ACGME residency program making this rotation BLUE.

    So basically anything that is not ACGME accrediated is blue, but there are 2 different kinds of blue rotations.

    For state licensure it varies for each state. I know a few states do NOT disciminate on if you have done blue OR green rotations. Now the problem is that even though I may be able to practice in this state, I may have trouble getting residency. This is because the residency might not accept an AOA rotation. Weird huh?

    So in other words, I may be able to practice in a state that does not differentiate bw blue or green but I may not be able to get certain residencies because that specific residency progarm wants GREEN. So you're best bet is to call the state board, and see what the requirements for PRACTICING in the state are. Then you might want to call certain residency programs and see what there criteria are for OBTAINING a specific residency.

    Its a pain in the *** and this school isnt making it any easier. Oh and please correct me if I said anything false.
    I was under the impression that its quite easy to get a temporary license to do residency and has little to do with blue/green.... when it comes to permanent licensure, it does depend on blue/green. Can someone please clarify this? thanks

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