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    Q for Upperclassmen about Green Electives

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    Hi guys I've been reading a lot of your experiences at the various hospitals, and I thank you for posting them to help students like me figure out where is the best place for cores.

    I remember Sree posting something about doing green electives at any hospital with a green IM program (am I remembering right, Sree?), and I was wondering:

    If i wanted to do pediatrics electives, do I go through the same process for cores in looking at the ACGME website? i.e. pick the elective, pick the state then look for any of the hospitals on the AUA list? or am I limited to only the hospitals with green IM programs?

    Also, as far as electives, are we limited to only the list of electives posted on the AUA website under clinical electives? for example, I know Ross students can do plastic surgery elective at wycoff, but only orthopedic surgery is listed on our site. does that mean an AUA student can only do an ortho. surgery elective?

    Thanks for your responses!
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    Q for Sree or other Upperclassmen about Cores

    Ok regarding cores, am I right to gather from most of you that the wycoff program new york is generally mediocre or not very good, and that (except for peds which can only be done there and PR) for a better learning experience, Maryland hospitals are a better choice? I ask because i have heard many good things about IM at Harbor and UM but nothing about IM at wycoff.

    thanks for your reply guys!

    (i'm doing this research because i'm trying to compile a little document with people's learning experiences for cores and electives at our hospitals. Hopefully I will get enough information to post the document here so people don't have to sift through too much to get someone else's opinion.)

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    If i wanted to do pediatrics electives, do I go through the same process for cores in looking at the ACGME website? i.e. pick the elective, pick the state then look for any of the hospitals on the AUA list? or am I limited to only the hospitals with green IM programs?

    Well for Peds, your options are limited to Wyckoff and that hospital in San Juan if you want to stay within the AUA system. But if you want to do an away elective in your fourth year (after your cores are done), you can contact a childrens hospital with a residency program in pediatrics and ask them if you can do an elective there. Then, get AUA to approve it - and make sure you get approval from New York State too. It's a complicated process but you need to start finding the elective early if you want to do it.


    Also, as far as electives, are we limited to only the list of electives posted on the AUA website under clinical electives? for example, I know Ross students can do plastic surgery elective at wycoff, but only orthopedic surgery is listed on our site. does that mean an AUA student can only do an ortho. surgery elective?

    The website has no connection with reality. It exists only for advertising purposes. You can do any elective offered by the hospital as long as AUA is contracted for that elective - so at Wyckoff you can do anything that anyone else is doing.

    Ok regarding cores, am I right to gather from most of you that the wycoff program new york is generally mediocre or not very good, and that (except for peds which can only be done there and PR) for a better learning experience

    yeah

    , Maryland hospitals are a better choice?

    only because the better rotations in NY are monopolized by schools which have more money like American Schools, DO schools, SGU, and even Ross to some extent. The further away from New York you get, the less competetion the school faces in bidding for contracts and the education gets better.

    In Michigan, for example, there are 2-4 students in the entire surgical program. Each student gets to work at 6, takes care of wound care and progress notes, then assists with surgeries till 3 while taking care of consults in the free time. It's an exhausting, comprehensive rotation where you learn a lot. At Wyckoff there are like 150 students in the rotation and the hospital performs the same number of surgeries.

    I ask because i have heard many good things about IM at Harbor and UM but nothing about IM at wycoff.

    Union Memorial and Harbor are miles ahead of Wyckoff in terms of what you can get out of the rotation. And, I don't just mean the learning experience. In Maryland, there are far more research opportunities, it is much easier to get several great letters of recommendation, etc. Also, the subspecialty electives outside NY are generally 1 attending to 1-2 students so you learn so much more.
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    thanks for the answer sree i appreciate it very much. I hope that more people can respond about their personal experiences. but your input is great, i was thinking about doing core rotations in michigan and maryland so this just pushes me more in that direction. now i have to figure out the cost of living in those areas.

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    at the expense of sounding silly and repetitive, please clarify: if a program does not have a green core IM rotation, then its IM electives will not be green either? and same for other cores/electives?

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    at the expense of sounding silly and repetitive, please clarify: if a program does not have a green core IM rotation, then its IM electives will not be green either? and same for other cores/electives?

    yes in most cases - you should contact your state's medical board though to be sure


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    ook sree,did u do any electives in maryland? because I went to the ACGME site, i checked out harbor hospital: Green for IM. then I checked out the electives like cardiology, endocrinology, nephrology, infectious dz, etc., and I did not find harbor hospital on the main lists or on the affiliated part where you scroll down. so besides IM, the only other thing i found at harbor was obgyn thru franklin square.

    i'm confused because a friend of mine was given a list of electives that AUA students can supposedly do at harbor (ambulatory medicine, anesthesiology, cardiology, endocrinology, GI, infectious dz, nephro, neuro, oncology, patho, inpatient pediatrics, radiology, surgery, urology). I checked out ALL of those specialties and subspecialties on the ACGME website and Harbor was not listed for ANY of these directly or thru affiliation!

    I did the same thing for Griffin hospital in CT, where I found IM to be green, but the listed electives (ICU, cardio, pulmonary, anesthesiology, radiology, emergency med, Pain medicine) were nowhere to be found either directly or through affiliation.

    Am I researching these rotations the wrong way?

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    any help from someone....anyone??? please??? i need to know if i'm going about this the right way...and i'm sure many other students have the same question i have :-)

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    I went to the ACGME site, i checked out harbor hospital

    Electives except Neurology are Green if IM is Green.

    friend of mine was given a list of electives

    Just because you can do an elective at a particular hospital does not mean that its accredited.

    ambulatory medicine, anesthesiology, cardiology, endocrinology, GI, infectious dz, nephro, neuro, oncology, patho, inpatient pediatrics, radiology, surgery, urology

    I underlined the ones that are Green. Not doing Green electives means that you lose a handful of states like Pennsylvania and Texas. For most people, this is not the end of the world.

    The important thing is to make an educated decision. If you feel that the benefits of doing surgery at Harbor outweigh not being able to practice in PA, then do it.

    I did that when it came to Emergency Medicine. I felt that it was important for me to learn basic ER skills like suturing, putting in IVs, draining abscesses, etc. - and AUA did not (and still doesn't) have a Green ER elective - so I did one that wasn't Green.
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    Q for Upperclassmen about Green Electives
    Hi guys I've been reading a lot of your experiences at the various hospitals, and I thank you for posting them to help students like me figure out where is the best place for cores.

    I remember Sree posting something about doing green electives at any hospital with a green IM program (am I remembering right, Sree?), and I was wondering:

    If i wanted to do pediatrics electives, do I go through the same process for cores in looking at the ACGME website? i.e. pick the elective, pick the state then look for any of the hospitals on the AUA list? or am I limited to only the hospitals with green IM programs?

    Also, as far as electives, are we limited to only the list of electives posted on the AUA website under clinical electives? for example, I know Ross students can do plastic surgery elective at wycoff, but only orthopedic surgery is listed on our site. does that mean an AUA student can only do an ortho. surgery elective?

    Thanks for your responses!


    No, you can do any elective that is offered at Wyckoff. I did plastic surgery elective at Wyckoff. All you have to do is fill out an online application and it takes about 3-5 weeks for a confirmatory notice of your acceptance to the elective. I actually got a response in one week for GI and Heme/Onc for Feb and March respectively just last week. Good luck
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