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    Northport VA Hospital?

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    Hey everyone! Has anyone yet rotated at Northport? I know it's "greenbooked by way of SUNY Stony Brook, so that's a relief. I just wanted some feedback (if any) about the hospital. Ans how's the student housing there?

    If anyone has any questions about IM at Harbor Hospital, I'd be happy to help

    Cheers!

    Nisha

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    Hey nishA

    I Am starting Internal med at harbor next month. How is the schedule like? Also. What books should I get to help me through rounds and the final exam?
    Thanks in advance

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    Hi there,

    You'll have fun at HHC, it's a really good rotation. As far as books go, I HIGHLY recommend the Step-Up to Medicine book. By the end of the rotation, everyone was walking around with that book. It can be a bit cumbersome to carry around, so other books that you can kinda shove in your white coat would be:
    -- Pocket Medicine (everyone uses this)
    -- Internal Medicine - Handbook for Clinicians (small, but really really useful...I preferred this to Pocket Med)
    -- Washington Manual (kinda big and clunky, but it has information on ANYTHING and EVERYTHING)

    Other people had Pocket Pharmacopeia or Pocket PDR to look up drug names or confirm doses.

    Also, you'll be told to go out and buy the MKSAP 3 book...it's not absolutely necessary, as there is an electronic version available on the library computers that you can just put on your flash drive. Of course, if you'd rather have the satisfaction of using a pen and paper, you can always get the print version. As the final exam is mostly from the MKSAP, and since there are over 400 questions in it (the MKSAP), it's a good idea to get started on those questions early.

    Good luck!

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    thanks so much for the info I really appreciate it! I am little nervous because it is my first rotation for my 3rd yr.

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    No worries, you'll be totally fine. It's a great place to do your first rotation (it was my first, as well). Denise McCumbers, the student advisor, is really really nice; she really goes out of her way to make sure that the students feel comfortable. Believe me, you'll do great!

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    Northport VA Psych Rotation

    I completed my psych rotation at Northport and had to work my a** off to get a B. Long hours and you get worked like as if you were the intern. I didn't mind the hard work as long as I learn alot and I did. My gripe was that the evaluation took about 45 days to get to your clinical advisor, and after getting great feedback on your overall performance in the rotation from your attending, particularly on unit 21, you still get a B.
    That was my story. A couple of friends of mine also did their psych rotation there and told me horror stories of how unit 21 (the schizophrenic ward) would threaten the AUA students that they will fail and that they could not compare to the SUNY Stonybrook students. Apparently, the attending on unit 21 was an alumni of SUNY Stonybrook and continues to downplay IMG education. Northport is affiliated with SUNY Stonybrook medical school.
    Now don't let me missguide you into thinking that Northport only has attendings like this. On the contrary unit 22 (the mood disorder patient population) has some of the coolest attendings and actually treat you like they remember when they were in medschool and they teach alot and value your input on your patients during rounds.
    Its just that they have changed the policy of having you do half your rotation, 3 weeks, in unit 22 and the other half in unit 21 to ensure that you get a broader learning exprience. Now they take the AUA students and keep them in unit 21 and keep the Stonybrook students in 22. That's what I heard from 4 friends of mine who also did their rotation there.
    It's ultimately your choice, but if I was you I would do psych at St.Johns. easy hours and everyone gets A's.
    P.S. Northport and St.Johns are both greenbook.
    Anyone else have any experiences at Northport please post your experiences.
    Last edited by newby; 10-01-2008 at 03:13 PM.

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    Ditto.

    The attending on Unit 21 is unprofessional and does not teach. The AUA students work like interns, because Stony Brook Psychiatry no longer sends residents to work with said attending. She constantly threatened us with failing (and has failed at least 4 students already as far as I know). And yes, she went to Stony Brook for residency, and constantly tells international students that they are much worse than Stony Brook students. But shes an IMG herself! I didnt learn enough about psych to know what to make of that. Also, you will have to interview psychotic US Military veterans BY YOURSELF. If youve every wondered what it would be like to fight a psychotic Navy Seal, now's your chance.

    Unit 22 is much better. The attendings are great at 'bedside' teaching as well as formal lectures. There are also residents there, so you will learn a lot. The students on Unit 22 also have the opportunity to experience the other psychiatric services at the VA, including ECT.

    On Unit 21, you'll be to busy doing the attending's work to get a chance to learn anything.

    Refuse to go to unit 21, demand to go to Unit 22.

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    So she's also an IMG. How ironic. I concur with everything you say. I was lucky enough to learn from the resident and the attendings Dr.A, and Dr.S and experienced a patient go through ECT. What's sad is that even though I am not interested in Psych for residency I do feel that Northport has the best potential for providing excellent opportunities to learn tons from Veterans with all the psychotic, behavioral and substance abuse disorders to a student who may be interested in psych. If it wasn't for that attending in unit 21, the rotation would be excellent. By all means avoid Northport and go to St. Johns. If you have no choice demand unit 22.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scriveners Palsy View Post
    Ditto.

    The attending on Unit 21 is unprofessional and does not teach. The AUA students work like interns, because Stony Brook Psychiatry no longer sends residents to work with said attending. She constantly threatened us with failing (and has failed at least 4 students already as far as I know). And yes, she went to Stony Brook for residency, and constantly tells international students that they are much worse than Stony Brook students. But shes an IMG herself! I didnt learn enough about psych to know what to make of that. Also, you will have to interview psychotic US Military veterans BY YOURSELF. If youve every wondered what it would be like to fight a psychotic Navy Seal, now's your chance.

    Unit 22 is much better. The attendings are great at 'bedside' teaching as well as formal lectures. There are also residents there, so you will learn a lot. The students on Unit 22 also have the opportunity to experience the other psychiatric services at the VA, including ECT.

    On Unit 21, you'll be to busy doing the attending's work to get a chance to learn anything.

    Refuse to go to unit 21, demand to go to Unit 22.


    can you really refuse to go to unit 21?

    i'm scheduled to do a rotation there soon, but all the horror stories are making me think twice about it. although, i'm not sure if i could even get out of it at this point.

    how are the patients? not to sound really stupid, but do you really have to deal with confrontational veterans? i'm not that big and wouldnt really know what to do in that situation.

    any replies from any students would be greatly appreciated

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue skies View Post
    can you really refuse to go to unit 21?

    i'm scheduled to do a rotation there soon, but all the horror stories are making me think twice about it. although, i'm not sure if i could even get out of it at this point.

    how are the patients? not to sound really stupid, but do you really have to deal with confrontational veterans? i'm not that big and wouldnt really know what to do in that situation.

    any replies from any students would be greatly appreciated
    Yes you can. You just have to tell DT, the lady in the office who schedules the rotations, and who you'll sign in with on the first day. Try and talk to her in advance. She understands some of the issues we had.

    On the psychotic disorders unit the patients were VERY pleasant. But, during my rotation, there were two patients who got combative - and that was predictable. At that point, you just run, and let the nurses handle it. Just use common sense, and follow the rules (like keeping yourself between the patient and the door), and you'll be fine.

    But do everything you can to avoid Unit 21.

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