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    gatornation is offline Member 512 points
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    for anyone who has recently completed step, what is the average wait time to start green rotations? thanks

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    Based on people I've spoken to who have started their rotations 6 months ago, the average wait time for Pediatrics at Wyckoff is around 9 months. That is the hardest to get rotation since it is our only Greenbook site for Peds outside Puerto Rico.

    So, you should schedule that rotation the minute you have a passing Step 1 score report in your hand. Everything else should fall into place. The second hardest to schedule is probably Ob/Gyn so try to schedule that too. Psych is reasonably easy to get if you're in New York and very easy if you don't mind traveling to DC. As far as I know, IM and Surgery are very easy to get so schedule those whenever.

    The important thing is to work with your clinical adviser. If you get on their bad side, you're screwed. I have a great relationship with my current adviser and therefore never had a problem with rotations. Some of my friends have horrible experiences with the same person and with other people. Some tips:

    1. Don't try to schedule anything on your own. Everything has to be done through your adviser. The exception is electives at Wyckoff.

    2. No matter how stressed out you are and you WILL be very stressed out, don't take it out on your adviser on the phone. Punch a wall or whatever before you call.

    3. Don't get into an argument about whether a rotation is accredited because you can't win. If you've been assigned to a non-Green rotation, say that you can't go to that rotation because of some other reason.

    4. Always have many, many backup options. That gives your adviser room to work with and she'll appreciate that. Back when I used to select rotations, I would give like 5 backup options in case that rotation wasn't available.


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    Sree,

    I just checked ACGME website, Wyckoff is not listed as green book for peds. Am I mistaken?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sree Cheruku View Post
    3. Don't get into an argument about whether a rotation is accredited because you can't win. If you've been assigned to a non-Green rotation, say that you can't go to that rotation because of some other reason.
    whats up Sree. what do you mean by this? Are you saying that sometimes an advisor will assign you a rotation that he/she says is green when it really isn't? And lets say this does happen, and my advisor assigns me a rotation that isn't green when they swear that it is.... is it a big deal to just cancel the rotation? why do you have to make an excuse? Can't you just say that you dont want to do that rotation at that spot and thats it? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agraphia View Post
    whats up Sree. what do you mean by this? Are you saying that sometimes an advisor will assign you a rotation that he/she says is green when it really isn't? And lets say this does happen, and my advisor assigns me a rotation that isn't green when they swear that it is.... is it a big deal to just cancel the rotation? why do you have to make an excuse? Can't you just say that you dont want to do that rotation at that spot and thats it? Thanks
    I think what Sree means is...why argue when you can just say a simple "no" to an assigned rotation and also coz arguing leads to nowhere. And the last thing you dont want on the advisers mind is a perspective of you as an arguing person.

    I dont think the advisers provide false information to students about green book rotations. Its just that some states have liberal rules on licensure and they want to fill in students with the schedule.

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    sreec is offline Super Moderator 536 points
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    I just checked ACGME website, Wyckoff is not listed as green book for peds. Am I mistaken?

    Look under Brooklyn Hospital's listing

    Are you saying that sometimes an advisor will assign you a rotation that he/she says is green when it really isn't? And lets say this does happen, and my advisor assigns me a rotation that isn't green when they swear that it is.... is it a big deal to just cancel the rotation? why do you have to make an excuse? Can't you just say that you dont want to do that rotation at that spot and thats it?

    It is a big deal to cancel a rotation - I think there's a fine involved. Don't remember if it was 100 dollars or 500. A long long long time ago, before I understood how to check if a rotation is Green, I was assigned (by someone who no longer works at AUA) to a rotation (Peds at St. Joes) that I was told was Green but was Bluebook, instead. Ever since then I've been pushing for people to check on their own whether a rotation is Green or not. Don't take anyone's word for it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sree Cheruku View Post
    I just checked ACGME website, Wyckoff is not listed as green book for peds. Am I mistaken?

    Look under Brooklyn Hospital's listing

    I was assigned (by someone who no longer works at AUA) to a rotation (Peds at St. Joes) that I was told was Green but was Bluebook, instead.
    Thanks Sree! I am so glad that you are here to help us.

    I got another Q if you don't mind:

    How much time do we have to call up the clinical advisor to change a rotation btwn getting the list of assigned rotations and actually starting the rotations? What's the most effective way of doing this?

    and, what is Bluebook? Is it a DO rotation? Thanks

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    And how do we set up the rotations with the school clinical dept after we get the step 1 score? Do they provide a list of affliated programs to us? Do we pick our selections and let them know, or they pick for us, and we then confirm or negotiate for different rotations?

    Thanks Sree!

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    If you've been assigned to a non-Green rotation, say that you can't go to that rotation because of some other reason.
    So Sree, do you mean that if they did assign us a non-Green rotation and if we cannot accept that, do we have to pay a fine/penalty for that as well? Or a fine is only for canceling a rotation completely?

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    How much time do we have to call up the clinical advisor to change a rotation btwn getting the list of assigned rotations and actually starting the rotations? What's the most effective way of doing this?
    ***************
    And how do we set up the rotations with the school clinical dept after we get the step 1 score?
    ***************
    I don't know how it works anymore, since I'm done scheduling. But what I used to do was to call my adviser with a rotation I wanted to do and 3-4 backup options in case the rotation was unavailable. Here's the e-mail I sent out when I got my Step 1 score back.
    Ms. L,

    I got my Step I score today. It was a ****. I faxed it to the AUA main office. A scanned copy is also attached to this e-mail in PDF format.

    I am starting my first rotation this coming Monday (two days from now). I would like to set up my next rotation as soon as possible. I put together a list of places and rotations that Id like to rotate at and ranked them from 1 to 6.

    1.Internal Medicine at Harbor Hospital
    2.Internal Medicine at Michael Reese
    3.Internal Medicine at St. Johns Episcopal Hospital
    4.Internal Medicine at Griffin Hospital
    5.Internal Medicine at St. ****** Mercy Hospital
    6.Surgery at Good Samaritan Medical Center

    Thanks in Advance,

    Sree Cheruku
    and, what is Bluebook? Is it a DO rotation? Thanks

    A bluebook rotation is an unofficial term for a non-Family Medicine rotation in a hospital which only has a Family Medicine residency program. Some states are ok with that, but others are not. See the link in my signature for more information. Hospitals like Jackson Park offer Bluebook rotations but advertise them as Greenbook (on their website). Sometimes clinical advisers assign you to a Bluebook rotation and tell you its Greenbook.

    Don't let them get away with that, because even if you know better, your friends, classmates and schoolmates can get screwed over. Educate hospital employees, educate your adviser and educate your classmates, so they know the difference.
    Last edited by sreec; 08-06-2008 at 07:36 PM.


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