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    Question on overall class schedule

    Hello, I am interested in AUSOM and will most likely apply for the next cycle, I have a few questions that I tried search but couldn't get an answer.
    Preferably from current or already graduated students;

    1. What is the course schedule like in terms of exams, how many exams are there per semester? are the exams grouped (i.e. anatomy & histo in same exam)? Are the exams biweekly, monthly?

    2. I read in another thread that student 'dating' was not allowed, what does that mean exactly?

    3. Would love to see someones private collection of school photos/ island photos etc

    4. What is your most favorite part of the school?

    5. What is your least favorite part of the school?



    Thank you ,

    -Alicia.
    Last edited by AliciaG92; 07-05-2015 at 08:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PnS11 View Post
    I always shut Atlantic praisers with one question: do you have a match list?

    If I met an Atlantic administrator, I would shut them up with the same question.

    I am not an Atlantic student, but yes, I go to another Caribbean school. It's cute to see you defend Atlantic when I made no specific attacks against it.

    If you want to practice in the US, going overseas for medical school is an uphill battle. Starting at a bottom-feeder Carib school like Windsor or Atlantic today is an even stupider decision with LCME requirements coming for Carib schools in the next 4-6 years. If your school is shut down while you are still a student, guess what? You will have wasted all that time and money.

    So if your grades are so poor that you can not afford to go to an LCME accredited Carib school like the Big 4 (at least Ross and SGU are safe), then going to a low end school at this point should not be an option unless you are sure you will finish your MD within four years before the LCME requirements hit or you are confident your school will pass LCME requirements.

    I have no faith Windsor will pass these requirements. If Atlantic takes the druggies and failures from Windsor with open arms, logic only dictates they will not pass LCME either.

    I hope that is an educated enough response for you. You can keep sucking the teat of Atlantic and praising it, but if someone asks for a residency match list and you are unable to provide even one resident from Atlantic, then you already know what your school's worth is. You just choose to pretend it won't happen to you and that you are an exception.

    I am not promoting Windsor, but if you were to ask me for Windsor's student-aggregated match list, then here it is Alumni

    You can even verify they are at said hospitals by simply looking up the resident list on their website. When I ask an Atlantic student where their residents are, they sit their with their phallus in the hands.

    Prove me wrong. You don't have to attend any Caribbean school to understand they are for-profit, and you don't need to attend Atlantic to see that their website is full of false promises much like other Carib schools. They state they have teachers from Kaplan and PhDs teaching there. No self-respecting PhD will take peanuts as a salary to teach at a new school. Forget about Kaplan's prestigious teachers. If you got Kaplan teachers at your school, they would demand an exorbitant salary, and that is not happening at Atlantic, where the tuition is comparable to a community college.
    A few things:
    There are not now, nor will there ever be, LCME accredited Caribbean medical schools.

    Since when are "kaplan teachers", whatever that is anyways, prestigious. It really doesn't matter who stand in front of your class and reads you slides. Ultimately its up to you to gain a solid foundation in the basic sciences. The kind of rotations your school sticks you in is a different story. This is where caribbean medical schools are uniformly inferior to LCME accredited MD schools.
    Even if the LCME created some subdivision that evaluates caribbean schools, which they won't care to do, not a single one would stand up to these requirements.

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    There are not now, nor will there ever be, LCME accredited Caribbean medical schools.
    I misspoke. I meant to say CARICOM. That is the board that is stressing accreditation for schools by 2020 or 2022 or close to it, hence making joining a Carib school at this stage risky if that school does not meet the requirements by then. You can also imagine what happens to the students still in school during this time, be it on the island or doing rotations.

    Since when are "kaplan teachers", whatever that is anyways, prestigious. It really doesn't matter who stand in front of your class and reads you slides. Ultimately its up to you to gain a solid foundation in the basic sciences.
    Well, it does matter to some extent. I don't know where you went to school but using underqualified professors is part of the problem with the Carib system. For those students that feel they can watch videos or read a book and get the same information, it may not matter. But how many students feel attendance is a waste of time and that Najeeb or Kaplan videos do a better job of teaching than their schools? A good portion. Over half. Now, how many of those students actually pass the Step? And since Step scores are a big part of the matching process, how many match? That same 50% that thought they could do it alone? Not quite.

    To a motivated student that utilizes class time and home time to study and review, proper teachers are an integral part of it. Yeah, you don't need Kaplan or Becker teachers. You may not even need a PhD. You need someone that knows the material and can present it in a manner that is conducive to learning. Kaplan and said qualities in a professor are not mutually exclusive. Yet Atlantic students and maybe the website uses it as a selling point. Sure, if you have great students that are eager to learn, that extra qualification helps. But after being through the Carib system, highly motivated students generally gain acceptance into the Big Four Carib schools and succeed there. They do not opt out of the Big Four because of "cost" because those schools also have financial aid, whereas low-end schools do not.

    So no, professors do not matter and while that wasn't quite my point originally, even if it was a Harvard professor teaching at Atlantic, what difference does it make? Most of the students in all bottom Carib schools are just winging it. And when it doesn't pan out, they transfer out thinking the school is abusing them. That may be the case but that's the reality of the Carib system, even at the Big Four level.


    Even if the LCME created some subdivision that evaluates caribbean schools, which they won't care to do, not a single one would stand up to these requirements.
    And therein lies the danger in hyping up any Caribbean school. "Come visit our great campus" Yeah...which will likely be shut down when students from there can not practice in the US until their school finally gain CARICOM. As I said above I switched CARICOM and LCME around. But the deadline and danger still stands.

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    I think the problem is approaching the basic sciences with Kaplan/FA/DIT etc.

    During basic sciences I read primary texts. Robbins, Guyton, and some more abbreviated texts for the other subjects. I didn't touch Kaplan/UW/FA etc until last semester on the island. I watched the Kaplan review videos on double speed and read along the books after leaving the island. 3 weeks post-basic science prep yielded 250+ for me. I attribute this to the work i did during basic science, not some review course.

    Using these review courses as primary sources will lead to a superficial understanding of the basic sciences. (even if it gets you a high step score).

    But I agree with you on the notion that it doesn't matter who the clown in front of you basic science class is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by axiomofchoice View Post
    I think the problem is approaching the basic sciences with Kaplan/FA/DIT etc.

    During basic sciences I read primary texts. Robbins, Guyton, and some more abbreviated texts for the other subjects. I didn't touch Kaplan/UW/FA etc until last semester on the island. I watched the Kaplan review videos on double speed and read along the books after leaving the island. 3 weeks post-basic science prep yielded 250+ for me. I attribute this to the work i did during basic science, not some review course.

    Using these review courses as primary sources will lead to a superficial understanding of the basic sciences. (even if it gets you a high step score).

    But I agree with you on the notion that it doesn't matter who the clown in front of you basic science class is.
    I just see it as further boosting motivated students even further. The students that use the videos in replacement of lecture, that's their choice. If they have a decent teacher for their class, that's actually their loss. But for motivated students that know how to study and further supplement their knowledge with well-qualified professors, I think the benefit is there.

    It's not required to pass the exam or even to do well, but it certainly helps. The thing is, motivated students are more commonly found in the Big Four schools, at least in relation to the "rest" of the Caribbean. I would accept and believe the benefits of a good educator at Ross or SGU. But at Windsor? Atlantic? Other bottom feeders? No way. 99% of the students lack study skills, discipline, etc. Having a Kaplan professor or even Dr Guyton himself come teach the class will yield little-to-no results.

    I may be biased, but I think things would be different if the same professor was sent to a school like Ross or SGU. I think they would actually benefit even more from more highly motivated students. What a Kaplan professor, supposedly, would be doing at Atlantic baffles me. Therefore I don't think it's true. Said professor could be motivated by money, but they would likely be asking for more money than what other prep programs would be paying them. I imagine six figures a year, possibly semester. Atlantic doesn't have that kind of money, as do none of the low end Carib schools. Which leads me to believe it is false or it is a disgraced educator that was doinking students or something and was fired from Kaplan. Either way, not the guy you want teaching medical students.

    Your method for success is impressive, but Guyton, Robbins, etc. are dense as hell. I can see it being used to reference specific topics in physio or path but to read through 1000+ pages, even over the span of basic science....man, that's tough. It would take multiple reads to retain all that info. Good for you if you managed to do all that. But I don't think even the best of students have read through Guyton and Robbins or Goodman Gillman/Katzung to learn the material.

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    Sorry but you have your information incorrect first, we constantly Skype with graduates in residency programs. Just because the school chooses not to exploit it's graduates doesn't mean there aren't any, every student on campus knows this. Second, we don't have any instructors from Kaplan and it doesn't say this on our website. Third, we do have a Phd from a US medical school teaching here. Unlike Windsor that has students and instructors from Africa that never sat for the USMLE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by last chance View Post
    Sorry but you have your information incorrect first, we constantly Skype with graduates in residency programs. Just because the school chooses not to exploit it's graduates doesn't mean there aren't any, every student on campus knows this. Second, we don't have any instructors from Kaplan and it doesn't say this on our website. Third, we do have a Phd from a US medical school teaching here. Unlike Windsor that has students and instructors from Africa that never sat for the USMLE.
    what does skyping with graduates do? "hello, did atlantic prepare you well? no? well thanks for the money anyway!"

    exploit? windsor lists its graduates. sgu lists its graduates. most US schools list their graduates. it's the one statistic that makes or breaks a medical school. atlantic is run by a bunch of saints that refuse to "exploit" their graduates? they exploit the zombies that flock there after getting the boot from windsor. if they could exploit their graduates, they would. they have none. the residency placement list is every carib school's meal ticket.

    speaking of your admin, the ones with MDs have decided to become administrators. all your professors are MBBS. forget about sitting for the USMLE, they could not even pass the post graduate exam in their own countries. they're all indian, so i'm guessing it is the indian national exam. india doesn't want them. the US doesn't want them. welcome to st lucia, underqualified doctor. come teach at atlantic diploma mill.

    the african professors that taught at windsor eventually went on to gain residency in the US. if you would like their profile at the program at which they matched, PM me and I will gladly send them to you. it may be a stepping stone job after graduating from their school in nigeria or from windsor itself, but they actually manage to gain residencies in the US, which surprises me as well, but is still more that can be said for atlantic professors or their students.

    i am still in touch with windsor flunkies that sought refuge at AUSOM. they are still where they were two years ago. "bro, I'm in chicago studying for step 1. got my certificate for some ** class they made us take on clinical skills."

    as for your kaplan remark, there are users on here that claim AUSOM is great because these professors taught at kaplan. I didn't believe it to begin with, so your bone to pick is not with me but with your peers that think having a kaplan job is a big deal.

    finally, good for the phd committing career suicide by leaving the US and teaching at a carib school. he's not taking AUSOM flunkies' Step 1, is he?

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    I fail to see how a medical school keeping a list of residents could remotely be construed as "exploiting it's (sic) graduates."

    In E-EU, where I graduated, most of the medical schools do not keep track of these things because 1) they are utterly disorganized, 2) they have no concept of how to market themselves to potential students from North America, 3) they do not wish to invest the effort, 4) it is not part of the post-communist norm, and 5) they simply do not give a flying expletive -- once they have the students' money, that's the end of the story from their side of things.

    So hey, I do not know which of these reasons might (or might not) apply to Atlantic, but I would be utterly shocked if it is because of some altruistic desire to protect their alumni/ae.

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    Hi PNS unsure about all your saying here but personally I have visited, spoke to and hand dinner with AUSOM folks in residencies in the USA. Cannot speak as to why they dont list it, but I can speak to the atrocities, corruption and illegal activities of the organization you mention. That said, yes I am a student in Lucia and quite happy with the program...it is challenging, the faculty are quite good the review program this term on campus is excellent, the data base and electronic library as well as library itself are very modern. I dont have to pay hidden fee's or retake fees or hurricane fees as my friends tell me the group you mention does. I have never had my passport withheld or been told to pay in cash to the Dean to get my grades as some friends tell me has occurred with the current organization you mention. I also understand that the authorities surrounding your current organization are quite happy with the funds they receive to insure the group stays where it is.

    I suppose what really matters is how well a student studies, is the program listed by the World Directory of Medical Schools and can I conduct myself in an honest, open, moral and ethical fashion and hope that I am able to get where I wish to be. The admin and faculty here seem to support that and go to bat for us all of the time when and if trouble surfaces. After three terms here, I am home sick, unhappy at times and want to be with my family, but am confident that AUSOM can offer what it says it can. Not sure about your organization. Friends showed me bills from the office over there, holy mother what a bunch of made up fees.....But then who am I to talk.....I pay my tuition, go to class, study, email my wife and carry on with hope for tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladysman View Post
    Hi PNS unsure about all your saying here but personally I have visited, spoke to and hand dinner with AUSOM folks in residencies in the USA. Cannot speak as to why they dont list it, but I can speak to the atrocities, corruption and illegal activities of the organization you mention. That said, yes I am a student in Lucia and quite happy with the program...it is challenging, the faculty are quite good the review program this term on campus is excellent, the data base and electronic library as well as library itself are very modern. I dont have to pay hidden fee's or retake fees or hurricane fees as my friends tell me the group you mention does. I have never had my passport withheld or been told to pay in cash to the Dean to get my grades as some friends tell me has occurred with the current organization you mention. I also understand that the authorities surrounding your current organization are quite happy with the funds they receive to insure the group stays where it is.

    I suppose what really matters is how well a student studies, is the program listed by the World Directory of Medical Schools and can I conduct myself in an honest, open, moral and ethical fashion and hope that I am able to get where I wish to be. The admin and faculty here seem to support that and go to bat for us all of the time when and if trouble surfaces. After three terms here, I am home sick, unhappy at times and want to be with my family, but am confident that AUSOM can offer what it says it can. Not sure about your organization. Friends showed me bills from the office over there, holy mother what a bunch of made up fees.....But then who am I to talk.....I pay my tuition, go to class, study, email my wife and carry on with hope for tomorrow.
    three terms? your post history says you were on the island at least since 7/2013. you completed only three semesters in two years?

    when does an administration even have to "go to bat" for their students? what the hell are you people doing there that admin has to step in?

    i think you're AUSOM admin posing as a student. what kind of creep are you that eats dinner with AUSOM residents in the US when you're still havent finished basic science in two years of being on the island?

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    Golly I wish I was ADMIN, at least then I would not have to stop and go to work so often to pay my own way. Creep? Admin? Questioning going to dinner? I offer a view point, I offer thoughts, you go on the defensive. This I do not understand. Onward we go!

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