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Cortney1111
07-04-2018, 04:11 AM
Hello everyone
just got accepted and wondering anyone else is going to Hungary ?
Be life saver and let me know cuz I have many questions.

Thankssssss

Idktriple6
07-04-2018, 03:29 PM
Hello everyone
just got accepted and wondering anyone else is going to Hungary ?
Be life saver and let me know cuz I have many questions.

Thankssssss

I had to reply to this comment because I literally want to help you from possibly screwing up your future. Medical schools in Hungary are not recognised or accredited by the WFME (World Federation for Medical Education) and therefore as of 2023, you are no longer able to practice in the United States. By all means, go to medical school in Hungary if you do not plan on getting a residency or practising in the United States. But I am just letting you know this because I think medical schools in Hungary are 6 year programs and if you enrol this year. Typically your graduation year would be in 2024, making you not eligible for a medical license in the United States.

Cortney1111
07-06-2018, 12:07 PM
Thank you so much for the info . But Hungary is the only option for me cuz I didn’t get accepted in Canada and the US dental schools. I got accepted in Irish dental schools but unfortunately I can’t pay the tuition so Hungary is my only option and I have 4 friends who graduated from Hungarian Dental schools and are practicing in US now

Idktriple6
07-06-2018, 01:54 PM
In regards to Hungarian dental schools and dental school accreditation standards. I am not familiar with that at all so I can't speak on behalf of dental schools, sorry.

Rapamycin
08-07-2018, 01:03 AM
I had to reply to this comment because I literally want to help you from possibly screwing up your future. Medical schools in Hungary are not recognised or accredited by the WFME (World Federation for Medical Education) and therefore as of 2023, you are no longer able to practice in the United States. By all means, go to medical school in Hungary if you do not plan on getting a residency or practising in the United States. But I am just letting you know this because I think medical schools in Hungary are 6 year programs and if you enrol this year. Typically your graduation year would be in 2024, making you not eligible for a medical license in the United States.

Can you show me the reference of your statement? Where can you get a list for WFME accreditation? Or do they even post a list?

Idktriple6
08-07-2018, 08:24 PM
Can you show me the reference of your statement? Where can you get a list for WFME accreditation? Or do they even post a list?

Yeah dude, here you go.

http://wfme.org/accreditation/recognition-programme/

After clicking the link, on the right hand side of the page you will see the list of accrediting agencies that are recognised by the WFME.

Rapamycin
08-08-2018, 09:04 AM
Yeah dude, here you go.

wfme.org/accreditation/recognition-programme/

After clicking the link, on the right hand side of the page you will see the list of accrediting agencies that are recognised by the WFME.

Very interesting, thank you so much, although I think it is not completely desperate.
1. WFME accreditation is an ongoing process, and it seems taking about 12-18 months to complete (or even longer). From 2018 to 2023, it is an interval about 5 years. Likely more agencies will be accredited at the time. So far it is astonishing that very few European medical council has been accredited already. I suppose this will change several years later. Also you can see a lot of ongoing application submitted by councils, see: wfme.org/accreditation/accrediting-agencies-status/

2. In the meantime, International Medical Students are still eligible to apply to ECFMG certification and USMLE, if their school appears on the World Directory as noted. I suppose it is just unlikely that they could get a certification by the end of day if associated medical council hasn't been approved by the WFME.

Therefore, I think it is still optimistic for those who are going to enroll in the European schools.
However, you did provide excellent information. Very grateful.

Idktriple6
08-08-2018, 04:15 PM
Very interesting, thank you so much, although I think it is not completely desperate.
1. WFME accreditation is an ongoing process, and it seems taking about 12-18 months to complete (or even longer). From 2018 to 2023, it is an interval about 5 years. Likely more agencies will be accredited at the time. So far it is astonishing that very few European medical council has been accredited already. I suppose this will change several years later. Also you can see a lot of ongoing application submitted by councils, see: wfme.org/accreditation/accrediting-agencies-status/

2. In the meantime, International Medical Students are still eligible to apply to ECFMG certification and USMLE, if their school appears on the World Directory as noted. I suppose it is just unlikely that they could get a certification by the end of day if associated medical council hasn't been approved by the WFME.

Therefore, I think it is still optimistic for those who are going to enroll in the European schools.
However, you did provide excellent information. Very grateful.


No problem, also I would like to add that ECFMG made the announcement of a new accreditation system back in 2010, 8 years ago. Here is the link below.
https://www.ecfmg.org/forms/rationale.pdf

Which means every international medical school was aware of the new accreditation system being put in place by ECFMG since than and now it has been going on for 8 years and counting. I agree with you it is optimistic to go to a European medical school but those who do are at another disadvantage since we're all IMGs in the first place so you're taking on a huge risk if the medical school you are going to doesn't become accredited by the WFME by 2023. That is only 4 and a half years left until 2023 and considering they made the announcement almost a decade ago I really don't think too many European schools will be signing up for appropriate accreditation since they were already aware back in 2010 and also because there is only one agency in the process and that is the NVAO of the Netherlands.

nanami
08-15-2018, 08:47 AM
I am a student at Semmelweis this post scared the hell out of me. Please before making such drastic conclusion check all the information available... This what I could find on Semmelweis Website : "The faculties of the University were reaccredited by the Hungarian Accreditation Board in 2014. The decision of the National Committee on Foreign Medical Education and Accreditation of the USA declares: The standards and processes used by the Hungarian Accreditation Council to accredit medical schools in Hungary are comparable to those used to accredit medical schools in the United States."

This include the faculty of medicine as well as dentistry and also probably pharmacy.

Doesn't this means that Semmelweis university is accredited?

Rapamycin
08-15-2018, 09:28 AM
I am a student at Semmelweis this post scared the hell out of me. Please before making such drastic conclusion check all the information available... This what I could find on Semmelweis Website : "The faculties of the University were reaccredited by the Hungarian Accreditation Board in 2014. The decision of the National Committee on Foreign Medical Education and Accreditation of the USA declares: The standards and processes used by the Hungarian Accreditation Council to accredit medical schools in Hungary are comparable to those used to accredit medical schools in the United States."

This include the faculty of medicine as well as dentistry and also probably pharmacy.

Doesn't this means that Semmelweis university is accredited?

I suggest people discuss with references otherwise it is just too hard to follow. So additionally I will post the link I found here (sites .ed .gov/ncfmea/comparability-decisions/)
However, I think NCFMEA's accreditation is not directly solving the problem.

1. I suppose no one is actively questioning the educational quality of Hungarian or European Medical Schools. You still learn knowledge and most schools are Carlifornia-Approved.
((www .credentialwatch .org/non/california_medical.shtml))
European Schools are also listed on World Dictionary of Medical Schools and so on. However, the problem here is that ECFMG asks a new accreditation called WFME.

2. I suppose, NCFME led by US department of Education and ECFMG may be two different institutions (You have to ask to make sure). Rules are just different for these two institutions. WFME accreditation is also different from NCFME accreditation (at least by their names)
Even if, NCFME accreditation, Carlifornia accreditation and whatever other accreditation have roughly the same criteria, no WFME accreditation still means no WFME accreditation.
To be safe, Hungarian Accreditation Committee (HAC) and other European accrediting agencies is responsible to have a WFME accreditation. Or, if you would like to replace WFME accreditation with the one by NCFME, you have to ask ECFMG to make sure. Nevertheless, I feel doubtful about such a possibility of replacement.

3. In conclusion, I don't worry whether these agencies are able to be accredited or not. I worry whether these agencies are willing to be accredited, and whether accreditation will be complete on time before 2023. In your case studying in Semmelweis, you have to contact schools and HAC to ask their intention and speed them up for WFME accreditation.

nanami
08-15-2018, 10:26 AM
Okay I undersatand thank you very much for this everything is much more clear now.

I will definetly do everything I can to contact the school the HAC and maybe also the NCFME

Rapamycin
08-15-2018, 11:27 AM
Okay I undersatand thank you very much for this everything is much more clear now.

I will definetly do everything I can to contact the school the HAC and maybe also the NCFME

Suggest: Contact your school and HAC for initiating accreditation process, and also contact ECFMG to see if exception or replacement is allowed.
Contacting NCFMEA is not very meaningful to me.

Also, since Semmelweis University is listed on World Dictionary of Medical Schools, you can still apply for ECFMG and take USMLE step 1, and 2. The only issue is that you can't fulfill the ECFMG requirement even after finishing all tests and being graduated from schools. Without ECFMG certification, you can't take USMLE step 3 and move further as an IMG. Nonetheless, the process itself can be initiated as usual. Despite the fact that ECFMG has a time restriction for certification, if everything runs well, it won't waste your time.

Or, in the worst case, even if you got ECFMG and USMLE done, you may still not get matched to residency program and thus you will not be able to practice medicine in the USA (regardless of your citizenship). You should notice that being an IMG (studying medicine outside the US) is never a preference or even a bad idea if you want to practice medicine in the US. Thus, having a back-up plan, such as being a doctor in EU or your home country, is always important.

Anyway, I will be very happy to follow-up this thread and see how things are going. Hope you can share some further information if you got any.
Wish you the best luck.

nanami
08-15-2018, 12:55 PM
Thank you for all the advise I emailed the school and I am waiting for their response will definetly get in touch with HAC as well as ECFMG in the coming days and see how it goes.

And about getting a place in residency in the US it is obvisouly very difficult but I will try and see how that goes as well. And yes being a french citizen myself staying in Europe is my back-up plan but I am trying to keep all doors open.

And I will definetly share here all information I can get.

BriefcaseJoe
05-13-2019, 07:20 PM
Any updates?







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