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sinvin87
11-18-2014, 09:55 AM
Be our guide if you will. What would you advise to US-citizen students who will acquire their MD in Europe (Poland), and wish to match a General Surgery residency in USA.

1. WHICH CLINICAL ROTATIONS SHOULD WE TAKE IN USA?
Most reputable programs allow 4-6 month rotations in US hospitals. Some even allow 2 full years in US like University of Lublin.


2. HOW IMPORTANT IS REPUTATION OF HOSPITALS AT WHICH ROTATIONS ARE DONE?
For example, Wycoff Med Center in Brooklyn hosts many IMGs (for better or worse). Does that mean US Surgical Program Directors are biased against Wycoff and alike?


3. WHAT AREA OF ACADEMIC RESEARCH SHOULD WE FOCUS ON?
Should we participate in research state-side only? Should we attempt a research rotation? - John Hopkins hosts IMGs for their research rotations.


4. IF YOU HAD A CHOICE b/w THE FOLLOWING, WHICH ONE AND WHY?
Assuming both options have statistically similar residency matches.
A. A program that offer 2 full years of clinical rotations in US, but at non-spectacular facilities.

B. A program that offers 4-6 months in US, but at nicer facilities. For example, Jagiellonian Uni in Poland offers electives at UCLA.


******** Please do not comment on foreign school's ability to prepare you for USMLE. As far as this thread is concerned, we are self-motivated enough to prepare ourselves. ********

devildoc8404
12-08-2014, 04:49 AM
Be our guide if you will. What would you advise to US-citizen students who will acquire their MD in Europe (Poland), and wish to match a General Surgery residency in USA.

Honestly, I would not recommend that path if your goal is General Surgery in the US. With the well-documented changes taking place in the match for FMGs, the chances of matching into a surgical specialty are not looking exceptionally promising... especially looking 4-8 years into the future.

1. WHICH CLINICAL ROTATIONS SHOULD WE TAKE IN USA?
Most reputable programs allow 4-6 month rotations in US hospitals. Some even allow 2 full years in US like University of Lublin.

All of them. But that still will not turn you into a US grad. Even US citizens are not immune from the realities of increasing US medical enrollment and the predicted shortfall of residency programs.

2. HOW IMPORTANT IS REPUTATION OF HOSPITALS AT WHICH ROTATIONS ARE DONE?
For example, Wycoff Med Center in Brooklyn hosts many IMGs (for better or worse). Does that mean US Surgical Program Directors are biased against Wycoff and alike?

It matters, but people still have matched from these "lower-tier" programs. There are more- and less-competitive surgery programs, but with the increase in US grads that will become less and less of a factor for most foreign grads.

3. WHAT AREA OF ACADEMIC RESEARCH SHOULD WE FOCUS ON?
Should we participate in research state-side only? Should we attempt a research rotation? - John Hopkins hosts IMGs for their research rotations.

Surgery research, obviously. And it's Johns Hopkins, just FYI. That could matter if you intend on contacting them in the future.

4. IF YOU HAD A CHOICE b/w THE FOLLOWING, WHICH ONE AND WHY?
Assuming both options have statistically similar residency matches.
A. A program that offer 2 full years of clinical rotations in US, but at non-spectacular facilities.
B. A program that offers 4-6 months in US, but at nicer facilities. For example, Jagiellonian Uni in Poland offers electives at UCLA.

Jag is a better school with a better international reputation than Lublin, if that is what you are asking. I have a few friends at Lublin, and I would not recommend going there.

******** Please do not comment on foreign school's ability to prepare you for USMLE. As far as this thread is concerned, we are self-motivated enough to prepare ourselves. ********

Good luck. I would seriously consider exhausting ALL options in the US (both MD and DO) before looking overseas for medical education, especially if your heart is set on a surgical specialty.

G48030
01-19-2015, 10:52 AM
If you want to specialize then you should strongly look at applying to American medical universities. You will have a much higher chance of getting residency that way.

I only have stats for Canada, but last years match only 7 IMG's matched for general surgery for the whole country. Also your job prospects are pretty poor after residency in Canada at least.







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