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abdelrhmanghreeb
08-10-2013, 02:21 PM
I was looking for more information about how to join a medical school in Germany or England. The problem is that My Father can't pay too much for my education, so I am trying to search for scholarship or something like this but the Internet is really useless. I am from Egypt and after the high school I got chance to join the top universities here in Egypt but I do dream of studying medicine in Germany. I have no one abroad to give me a hand or guide me through the process; so if anyone here can help me, please please do. I indeed need help guys :(

devildoc8404
08-10-2013, 02:55 PM
In Germany medical school is not free, but it is pretty damn close. Many schools charge less than a thousand Euros per semester. Cost of living varies depending on where you study.

The main thing is that you need to speak German really well (C1-C2) and be a good enough student to get admitted. I am not sure where you have been looking, but there is a load of information on the internet about studying in Germany -- you can start at Deutsch lernen, Kultur erleben*-*Goethe-Institut* (http://www.goethe.de) and at www.daad.de/en/‎

abdelrhmanghreeb
08-10-2013, 03:06 PM
Thanks there, I was searching for scholarships opportunities or study loans, but you pointed out that there is no free-of-tution medical schools in Germany, maybe this is the case.
as for the language I am planning to take a preparing course in German to handle the issue.
And what do you mean by "a good enough student"?
thanks for replying devildoc

devildoc8404
08-10-2013, 03:10 PM
DAAD offers some scholarships. Check their site.

By "good enough" I mean that medical school admissions in Germany are very competitive, and they do not take all of their applicants. You need to make the cut in oder to be offered a position.

It will take more than one course to master German to the level that is required to study medicine there. Reaching C1-C2 will probably be a minimum, they might even want the advanced diploma in German from the Goethe Institut at some schools, you will need to check on that. Good luck to you!

abdelrhmanghreeb
08-10-2013, 03:50 PM
oh, then is the language the only barrier?
I think overcoming the language issue will be better than going to a US medical schools. it is still better than US, isn't it?

devildoc8404
08-10-2013, 04:47 PM
What? No, you will obviously need excellent grades and test scores, but even if you have those you will not get in if you cannot speak German well enough. If it was only about being able to speak German, then any German-speaking person and their German-speaking dog could study medicine in Germany. That is certainly not the case.

What do you mean by "better?" German medical schools are excellent, but I would not call them "better" than US medical schools, per se. They are completely different systems. Both countries have outstanding medical education and train excellent doctors. As an Egyptian, your chances of admission are certainly better in Germany as a foreign applicant, though, that is for sure.

In order to get into a US medical school (4 years) you would need to complete a 4-year North American university degree with outstanding grades, take the MCAT and score very well, have extracurricular experience and great letters of reference, and even then your chances would be very, very small if you are not a US citizen or Green Card holder. In order to get into a German medical school (6 years) you apply with high school grades, and no previous university degree is required.

Soooo, since you are Egyptian (and I am just guessing that you do not have a North American university degree already), I would feel pretty comfortable saying that you have a far better chance of getting into a German medical school than an American medical school. Of course, that assumes that you learn German well, you are an excellent student, and you can excel on the admissions requirements. If you cannot do those things, then your chances in Germany are also very poor.

Tricuspid
08-23-2013, 08:28 PM
Well if you are going to a german medical school make sure you can stay in Germany. Otherwise if you want to practice in English you will have to learn all the terms all over again, that would be hard.

devildoc8404
08-23-2013, 08:43 PM
I disagree. For one thing, German training is outstanding. For another, LOTS of people study in one language and work in another. (Here in Switzerland, for example, some people actively practice in as many as four languages, German, French, Italian, and English. No joke, I work with them.)

On the flip side, I studied in English and I am completing residency training in German. It is challenging, yeah... but far from impossible. It takes some work and some language fluency, but it is also pretty rewarding. It is not for everyone, but I do not think that people should necessarily limit themselves based on something being "hard."

Tricuspid
08-23-2013, 08:45 PM
Wait devildoc if you don't mind could u give us a little info on your background or at least pm me? Never knew you are doing residency in Germany. How did you end up there?

devildoc8404
08-23-2013, 08:52 PM
I am not doing my residency in Germany. I am doing my residency in Switzerland. I just work with a lot of Germans and know the system there fairly well.

I ended up here through a series of fortuitous events. OK, plus by speaking German, by serving in the US military, and by pursuing a PhD at a Swiss university. I honestly never expected it to happen, and I think that my chances of working here were actually lower than matching in the US.

My plan from Day One was to return to the US and go through the Match. I never considered Switzerland as an option at all, I thought it was impossible. But once I was offered a job here, my wife and I did a line by line comparison, we talked with my parents and our kids, we contemplated and prayed a lot... and we elected to stay here.

That is the Cliff's Notes version, anyway.

Ipgz
08-26-2013, 03:10 PM
So on that note, lets say that you have finished your medical degree in Europe and now you want residency training in germany, what is the nest step? I hear that you have to basically go and look for a job and that there is no other way. Is there an organizing body that deals with such an issue? I am finishing my MD in hungary and now want to go to Germany. Let say that you have the required language level. Is there a site or organization that can do the search?

devildoc8404
08-26-2013, 03:35 PM
There is no national organization or "match," like you would see in the US. The system does not work that way in Germany... when a hospital has an opening for a resident (Assistenzarzt/ärztin), they simply fill it. In that regard, what you heard is correct -- you apply for a pantload of jobs, you interview wherever they offer you an interview, and you hope that your CV, winsome personality, language skills, and citizenship status are good enough to score you the gig.

There are, however, TONS of German medical recruiters who would love to talk with someone who has an EU medical diploma and can already speak German. If you get a good recruiter (and there are plenty of bad ones out there, alas), they will arrange your interviews, assist you in preparation, and they might even spring for your travel and hotel costs while you are interviewing, assuming you are not a million miles away. They also should not charge you anything... all costs are borne by the hiring hospital.

With that in mind, find yourself a good recruiter... and run the other way if they act like jerks, if they want to charge you a fee, or if you just feel like they are shady. There are plenty of good ones in Germany, and they are definitely still hiring.







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