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ladysman
04-27-2013, 05:52 PM
I have been researching schools across the Caribbean and have been frightened by some and comforted by many of the things I have learned. I am very comfortable saying there are some scary schools out there. "The old saying I guess dont believe everything you read and less of what you hear". I had a conversation with a few students from a so called ivy league school who stated that some of the schools in the Caribbean (well, their students are required) to take additional exams beyond the USMLE examinations in the USA. That these examinations are harder than the USMLE and only a handful of the Caribbean schools are forced to do this.

I have to tell all of you readers out there that "YOU NEED TO GO TO THE SOURCE" go the school, the state licensing boards, the ECFMG or if your a UK student the GMC. This is by far the most untrue and obviously misleading statement ever made to me.

There is not now nor has there ever been any truth to this. WOW!!!!!!! Future Physicians????? Misleading people, scaring people and even worse some of the nonsense that I heard from students at several schools regarding how they are treated by their faculty and Admin............I spoke to several students at Atlantic and have to tell you no games; goods and bads, all transparent. That means more to me than be sold a used car that turns out to be a lemon.

I hope to get started in September or January (wanna pay my own way) and am glad that I am doing my research.

New guy
04-28-2013, 07:50 AM
I don't understand? are you saying these exams are required because the schools are inferior or new and that these exams are administered by the ECFMG or the school? Everyone, US and all offshore and foreign students take the same exam (step1, step2 CS & CK of the USMLE) and that's it. I think foreigns students use to take a different exam but they changed that because it was viewed as discriminatory. My dad took a different exams than US students way back when.

Wow, like I said in a previous post 5% truth added to 95% bull and you have ValueMD.....

Summer2013
04-28-2013, 10:36 AM
ECFMG exam is the only requirement for FMG's to enter into residency. I am not aware of any other exams that is required by FMG to take. Once they complete residency then board certification and other exams to be taken both by US and FMG graduates.

medic300107
04-28-2013, 03:54 PM
ECFMG exam is the only requirement for FMG's to enter into residency. I am not aware of any other exams that is required by FMG to take. Once they complete residency then board certification and other exams to be taken both by US and FMG graduates.

There is NO ECFMG Exam. The ECFMG used to do the CSA (Clinical Skills Assessment) which is now known as Step 2 CS. NBME (National Board of Medical Examiners) are the people who create the USMLE exams and decided they liked the CSA so they made it required from everyone not just FMG. So as of now all the tests taken are USMLE and thus from the NBME; NOT from ECFMG which does not conduct any testing. There are NO additional tests. You do have to get ECFMG certified which means you have graduated and passed Steps 1, 2CS and 2CK. Hope this clarifies.

Tipton
04-28-2013, 04:11 PM
I like to describe Step 2 CS as NMBE incorporating the CSA into the USMLE as an exam all potential doctors must pass for licensure. What was previously only an exam for FMGs is now a requirment for everyone.

Dr.Costa
04-28-2013, 06:37 PM
TRue man, do you OWN research, talk to students at the school, you want to or intend applying too, speak to the school officials..and THEN, make a decision. !!

Summer2013
04-28-2013, 10:23 PM
Sorry I meant to say USMLE exam not ECFMG exam. Studying too hard for the late final exams in school. By mistake said ECFMG instead of USMLE.

devildoc8404
04-29-2013, 02:35 AM
I have to tell all of you readers out there that "YOU NEED TO GO TO THE SOURCE" go the school, the state licensing boards, the ECFMG or if your a UK student the GMC. This is by far the most untrue and obviously misleading statement ever made to me.

I am assuming that you mean the additional exam statement was misleading... and not the "YOU NEED TO GO TO THE SOURCE" bit.

Definitely go to the source. At the same time, remember that the schools have their own agendas and a real financial interest in getting you to matriculate, so it is best to take their words with a grain of salt. Listen, yeah, but independently verify, verify, verify. The ECFMG, state medical boards, GMC, etc. have no dog in the fight and are by far the most reliable resources for information.

With that said, however, there are some Carib schools that require the passing of an exam before they will allow their students to write Step One. This is one way that they are able to keep failure rates down -- a pre-test, so to speak. It is a school requirement, not a state or federal one. That is actually rather common knowledge and not a scare tactic at all. Whether these tests are harder than the actual Step or not is open for conjecture, but the pre-test is definitely the case at some schools.

medic300107
04-29-2013, 08:32 AM
Yes the test DevilDoc speaks of is called the COMP or Comprehensive Basic Science Examination which is hosted by the NBME (same creators of USMLE and is actually comprised of old USMLE questions that have been retired). The schools do require you to pass this (Again this is a school not licensing requirement) in order to certify you to be eligible to sit for the USMLE Step 1. Honestly if you can't pass the 200 question COMP statistically you would have failed Step 1. You are MUCH better taking this test and not failing Step 1 first time. Yes it helps the schools bump up first time pass rate numbers but honestly it's a much bigger help to you because failing step 1 takes about 75% of programs away from even considering you.

ladysman
04-29-2013, 11:33 AM
Well that makes good sense. In fact I would welcome such a challenge. Don't want to take the boards more than once. But, I was told by an Ivy (so called) attendee that this was an additional requirement for entrance to residency in the USA etc. but was placed on only a handful of IMG / FMG schools. You have explained now that this is a school choice for assisting in the readiness of students to pass the board examination. Thanks for That! I am told Atlantic offers four NBME exams to students as part of the prep for step exams. All sounds better and better. :p

devildoc8404
04-29-2013, 11:53 AM
Yeah... that person was either ill-informed, talking out of their backside, or lying to you. The requirements for ECFMG certification are the same for all eligible foreign grads, there is no separate set of rules for certain programs. The more that the school does to help you determine your readiness for the USMLE, the better. Good luck to you!

Dr.Costa
04-29-2013, 12:47 PM
Yup!...gotta agree with medic300107 and Devildoc....it is def the COMP exam that some schools require their students to take BEFORE they can leave their respective carrib islands. Its the school's way of sayin, take this exam first...and then we will allow yyou to write the STEP 1. Definitely helps lower the schools failure rate in terms of STEP 1...







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