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lordfkiller
06-02-2012, 08:20 AM
Hi guys.

I am currently doing a bachelor of comp. science in Australia but I'm willing to drop out and start medicine. Since I cannot afford to do it in Australia (60,000 a year for internationals) I'm gonna do it in Hungary(advice for a better place? do tell me!)
Also because I've been doing maths my whole life!, I have to do one year college(have chosen McDaniel, is that a good choice?)

I need some information about the universities and how it is there. I don't want to be shocked when I go from Australia to Hungary. Specifically, I need information about:
1) Class size
2) Any access to lecturers outside class hours?(we call in consultation here)
3) Any wireless internet on campus?
4) Is there access to online databases and journals(SpringerLink, ScienceDirect, **** etc.)? If so, can you access these resources from home or it's available only in university library?

I appreciate any help and advice.

Dulgar
06-02-2012, 02:15 PM
Hi guys.

I am currently doing a bachelor of comp. science in Australia but I'm willing to drop out and start medicine. Since I cannot afford to do it in Australia (60,000 a year for internationals) I'm gonna do it in Hungary(advice for a better place? do tell me!)
Also because I've been doing maths my whole life!, I have to do one year college(have chosen McDaniel, is that a good choice?)

I need some information about the universities and how it is there. I don't want to be shocked when I go from Australia to Hungary. Specifically, I need information about:
1) Class size
2) Any access to lecturers outside class hours?(we call in consultation here)
3) Any wireless internet on campus?
4) Is there access to online databases and journals(SpringerLink, ScienceDirect, **** etc.)? If so, can you access these resources from home or it's available only in university library?

I appreciate any help and advice.

First of all, you should finish your bachelor in comp. science, unless you really really hate it..

1) Here in debrecen we have class sizes of about 30~40 people in first year, I think there are about 400 medical students and maybe 300 dentistry for first year, saw those numbers somewhere.. can't remember where though so don't take my word 100%.

2) You have access to them yes, are they willing to borrow you their time? 9 out of 10 times, nope, you'll even get yelled at for attempting to waste their time. On a positive note, you can always send an e-mail! If they answer it.. well, that's another story..

You can always send a mail to PhD students, they're much more helpful, they know a bit less but they're going to help you as much as they can!

3) Yeah there is wireless internet "on campus", by that I mean, in the library, in LSB building (main science building) and in T-building (where you'll have your labs), will it be fast? Nope.

4) Pubmed.. that's it I think.

Also, avoid doing a year of wasted "college" that's not college, it's just a way to fool gullible people into wasting money, you'll do high school "O - level" stuff, they don't expect you to understand your science anyhow.. just memorize. Aim for getting in directly into medicine, study and memorize stuff, no need to waste money on their "preparation courses" seriously, don't!


Advice for a better place..? Where are you from? If you're from the EU, learn dutch / german / spanish / french / any western eu language while doing you Bachelor and try to study there, if you are bilingual now, in two "latin" languages, then you're going to have an easy time learning the language.

If you really have to do medicine now (my case) then try to get into another country like england or malta where tuition is free for EU members, or just come and suffer here in Hungary.


*ps, your math skills, or the "logical thinking" will help you here with first year, so again, no preparation 1 year course please :)

lordfkiller
06-02-2012, 09:56 PM
First of all, you should finish your bachelor in comp. science, unless you really really hate it..

1) Here in debrecen we have class sizes of about 30~40 people in first year, I think there are about 400 medical students and maybe 300 dentistry for first year, saw those numbers somewhere.. can't remember where though so don't take my word 100%.

2) You have access to them yes, are they willing to borrow you their time? 9 out of 10 times, nope, you'll even get yelled at for attempting to waste their time. On a positive note, you can always send an e-mail! If they answer it.. well, that's another story..

You can always send a mail to PhD students, they're much more helpful, they know a bit less but they're going to help you as much as they can!

3) Yeah there is wireless internet "on campus", by that I mean, in the library, in LSB building (main science building) and in T-building (where you'll have your labs), will it be fast? Nope.

4) Pubmed.. that's it I think.

Also, avoid doing a year of wasted "college" that's not college, it's just a way to fool gullible people into wasting money, you'll do high school "O - level" stuff, they don't expect you to understand your science anyhow.. just memorize. Aim for getting in directly into medicine, study and memorize stuff, no need to waste money on their "preparation courses" seriously, don't!


Advice for a better place..? Where are you from? If you're from the EU, learn dutch / german / spanish / french / any western eu language while doing you Bachelor and try to study there, if you are bilingual now, in two "latin" languages, then you're going to have an easy time learning the language.

If you really have to do medicine now (my case) then try to get into another country like england or malta where tuition is free for EU members, or just come and suffer here in Hungary.


*ps, your math skills, or the "logical thinking" will help you here with first year, so again, no preparation 1 year course please :)


Thanks for the information and advice.

I am not going to finish my bachelor of computer science and then do medicine because medicine's a long way by itself(and cannot afford to do both either)
As for the college year, I know it is a waste of time, but I have no background in biology etc. whatsoever, so how am I gonna pass the entrance exam? Apart from that, the next entrance exam in next year!

Also, pubmed does not need subscription. Haven't they told you anything about online databases and how to search them and use them? You should also have a library website that allows you to search the literature and databases.

About the tuition fee, I am from middle east and have to pay anyway. Hungary medical schools are way cheaper than the ones in England(for internationals - almost a quarter). Is as low as the tuition fee, compared to England, Australia etc.?

Dulgar
06-03-2012, 10:44 AM
Thanks for the information and advice.

I am not going to finish my bachelor of computer science and then do medicine because medicine's a long way by itself(and cannot afford to do both either)
As for the college year, I know it is a waste of time, but I have no background in biology etc. whatsoever, so how am I gonna pass the entrance exam? Apart from that, the next entrance exam in next year!

Also, pubmed does not need subscription. Haven't they told you anything about online databases and how to search them and use them? You should also have a library website that allows you to search the literature and databases.

About the tuition fee, I am from middle east and have to pay anyway. Hungary medical schools are way cheaper than the ones in England(for internationals - almost a quarter). Is as low as the tuition fee, compared to England, Australia etc.?

Just teach yourself, Documents (http://www.meddenpha.com/docs.html) here you have everything they can ask for in the exam, I don't think it's a good idea to do the basic science year, if you really want to do it I think you're better off trying to find a basic science course maybe in your home country if it's free, rather than paying what I think is a ridiculous amount of money just to get "enough" knowledge for an entrance exam.

No all we use is pubmed we don't have anything else as far as I know, hell, we don't even use pubmed, I find myself using wikipedia or youtube videos instead lol.

lordfkiller
06-03-2012, 09:29 PM
Just teach yourself, Documents here you have everything they can ask for in the exam, I don't think it's a good idea to do the basic science year, if you really want to do it I think you're better off trying to find a basic science course maybe in your home country if it's free, rather than paying what I think is a ridiculous amount of money just to get "enough" knowledge for an entrance exam.

No all we use is pubmed we don't have anything else as far as I know, hell, we don't even use pubmed, I find myself using wikipedia or youtube videos instead lol.

Only pubmed? That's ridiculous! pubmed is free. It it not provided by your uni. And it doesn't give anything but a title and an abstract unless you have subscription to journals providing full text(usually pubmed links you to Wiley or ScienceDirect or another publisher)

I'm not going to study there if that's really the case. Not that an undergrad depends heavily on the literature, but this fact has some other implications about the university itself.

Dulgar
06-04-2012, 06:28 AM
Only pubmed? That's ridiculous! pubmed is free. It it not provided by your uni. And it doesn't give anything but a title and an abstract unless you have subscription to journals providing full text(usually pubmed links you to Wiley or ScienceDirect or another publisher)

I'm not going to study there if that's really the case. Not that an undergrad depends heavily on the literature, but this fact has some other implications about the university itself.

I searched for some info and I found this,

Databases | DEENK Kenézy Élettudományi Könyvtára (http://kenezy.lib.unideb.hu/en/databases)
Electronic books | DEENK Kenézy Élettudományi Könyvtára (http://kenezy.lib.unideb.hu/en/electronic_books)

those are the databases we have access to, I never payed attention during our librarian system class...

Also, I don't see the connection between good education and access to databases...

lordfkiller
06-04-2012, 07:23 AM
I searched for some info and I found this,

Databases | DEENK Kenézy Élettudományi Könyvtára
Electronic books | DEENK Kenézy Élettudományi Könyvtára

those are the databases we have access to, I never payed attention during our librarian system class...

Also, I don't see the connection between good education and access to databases...

Online resources are valuable sources of latest information, specially for medicine. To me, it is an indication of how committed a university is to providing high quality education.

Some of the very important databases that are missing in Debrecen: mdconsult (full text of tens or hundreds of medical textbooks) **** MEDLINE (full text of several medical textbooks and many important journal articles) Wiley online library (many peer-reviewed journals in medicines published here)

Lack of these resources is specially surprising to me because there are residency positions at Debrecen(not sure though) and these are most important for residents.

african_child
06-04-2012, 09:08 AM
Hi guys.



... I don't want to be shocked when I go from Australia to Hungary...



^^^ You must definitely WILL be.
Apparently, your expectations of a medical schooling are high (based on your experiences in Australia). However, the closest you can to having such a preset experience, besides Australia, is in the US or England in the English speaking countries.
If I were you, I'd try however I can to get into one of those (scholarships, loans etc).
Good luck.

Dulgar
06-04-2012, 11:59 AM
Online resources are valuable sources of latest information, specially for medicine. To me, it is an indication of how committed a university is to providing high quality education.

Some of the very important databases that are missing in Debrecen: mdconsult (full text of tens or hundreds of medical textbooks) **** MEDLINE (full text of several medical textbooks and many important journal articles) Wiley online library (many peer-reviewed journals in medicines published here)

Lack of these resources is specially surprising to me because there are residency positions at Debrecen(not sure though) and these are most important for residents.

Maybe they have access to Hungarian databases, or we have limited access to databases as students. I'm just saying, if you have any plan of coming to a school in this part of EU, you need to cut your expectations in half and maybe even square root it. To me, a good medical school needs to be affiliated with good teaching hospitals and have good teaching facilities, not access to databases, but that's just my opinion. Unfortunately, this school is lacking in what I expected as well.

If you're coming here you have to be able to see through all of these "small" problems, there are always other options, like finding "lesser" type of databases in your case, or in my case, having to beg to non-affiliated teaching hospitals to accept me for summer practice to get some good practice going.

By the way, if you're expecting high quality education here, then you've clearly not read the forums, at best, you're going to get a mediocre to low quality of education in which, you're going to add a lot of self-study in order to bring it up to a "high quality" standard, because, from the school, you're not going to get it. This is the price we pay for getting into a school with no requirements what so ever besides high-school diploma and passing an exam which is kind of a joke. I was on a very high horse when coming here, and got knocked down, if you're choosing to come here, make sure to get off your high horse and accept that not every school is going to have what you expect, this one will lack in almost everything you expect. As I said, I had very high expectations of the facilities etc, not so fun when you discover that it's just not as you expected it to be.

lordfkiller
06-05-2012, 02:40 AM
Okay let's forget about online resources. I can get subscription mdconsult with $300/year and medline should cost more or less the same. Semmelwise is not answering my email about subscription to databases.

What about the lecturers/professors? Are they knowledgeable/competitive?
Also the life in Hungary. Is that going to surprise me as well? (going to Budapest, aiming for Semmelwise)
Another important thing is the doctors. I need to see a specialist regularly for some problem I have. Is that going to be of problem(no good specialists etc)?

What do you mean by low quality education? can you please explain it. Is it like no one gives a damn whether you learn or not before you leave the school as a doctor?

Some problems can be tolerated. But this is medicine. There are aspects that, if missing, you cannot become a real doctor no matter how hard you try. Can you read the textbooks and become a doctor at home?!

lordfkiller
06-05-2012, 03:38 AM
Another question: Are the material that you study, the methods etc. current? Will you have a hard time getting into residency positions in Canada or US because of having studied in Hungary?

Thanks for any help.

Agota
06-12-2012, 06:10 PM
Hello guys, I am a Hungarian girl living in Szeged and offering my help if you have problems with the language or need any help to find a flat, talk to your landlord or authorities. I used to live in the UK for 6 years and recently returned home so hopefully I could be a good help in need. I used to help students back in time, before I left the country so I know quite well what kind of difficulties you are facing with. :) Feel free to find me on my e-mail address: agotab x g mail com. Good luck with your studies!

Snapsnap
07-07-2012, 02:40 PM
Hi there, just had a quick scan of this thread & don't know why you are talking about databases etc. I've completed my 1st year & never once needed this. Obviously in older years you will need too but every university has subscriptions to online databases. You'll just need to access these via the university network.

I agree about not completing your course. No point wasting time when it's medicine. Only degrees medical / scientifically related will benefit you on being exempt from entrance exams. If you want to discuss things further feel free to private mail me. Only happy to help as I wish I had people helping me when I applied!

Georgia1
07-10-2012, 04:07 AM
Hungary is a very good country and the level of education is top class,no doubt,the only negative point,is the cost of living which is high.

Georgia1
07-10-2012, 04:08 AM
I had been to the SOTE Medical Univ.They do not offer post graduate studies in English.

Snapsnap
07-10-2012, 05:38 AM
The cost of living is low outside of Budapest.

african_child
07-10-2012, 12:01 PM
Hungary is a very good country and the level of education is top class,no doubt,the only negative point,is the cost of living which is high.
are you Hungarian or an agent?

HUNACA
07-26-2012, 09:55 PM
Okay let's forget about online resources. I can get subscription mdconsult with $300/year and medline should cost more or less the same. Semmelwise is not answering my email about subscription to databases.

What about the lecturers/professors? Are they knowledgeable/competitive?
Also the life in Hungary. Is that going to surprise me as well? (going to Budapest, aiming for Semmelwise)
Another important thing is the doctors. I need to see a specialist regularly for some problem I have. Is that going to be of problem(no good specialists etc)?

What do you mean by low quality education? can you please explain it. Is it like no one gives a damn whether you learn or not before you leave the school as a doctor?

Some problems can be tolerated. But this is medicine. There are aspects that, if missing, you cannot become a real doctor no matter how hard you try. Can you read the textbooks and become a doctor at home?!

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brb
09-11-2012, 02:57 AM
Is a prep year useful if you are just out of High school?

HUNACA
09-11-2012, 05:09 AM
Is a prep year useful if you are just out of High school?

Dear brb,

Preparatory course is useful if you would like to start your University education with a good knowledge of Biology,Chemistry,Physics,Anatomy,Medical English,Latin Language if you would like to study medicine,dentistry or pharmacy.
During your preparatory education you will have all that main subjects and you will have better further education.All the main subjects professors are from Szeged University and language teachers are from USA and UK.

If you are planning to study preparatory education do not hesitate to contact us at info (at) hunaca (dot) hu or you can apply from Hungarian Academy of Education website.

Kind and Best Regards,

Dulgar
09-12-2012, 06:16 AM
No it's not useful, it's a waste of money, study by yourself, and get used to the way you will be studying over in Hungary, teaching yourself :) Don't waste money on stupid courses please!



Dear brb,

Preparatory course is useful if you would like to start your University education with a good knowledge of Biology,Chemistry,Physics,Anatomy,Medical English,Latin Language if you would like to study medicine,dentistry or pharmacy.
During your preparatory education you will have all that main subjects and you will have better further education.All the main subjects professors are from Szeged University and language teachers are from USA and UK.

If you are planning to study preparatory education do not hesitate to contact us at info (at) hunaca (dot) hu or you can apply from Hungarian Academy of Education website.

Kind and Best Regards,

xano
03-26-2013, 05:13 PM
Hey
there is a huge difference between studying in Australia compared to Hungary... I am Canadian and the system we follow is very close to the Australian system... This is my first year in Budapest and I can tell you its so different and in many ways worst than the Canadian universities.. for one you will find that ppl here are not big on organization... they kind of make the rules as they go... for example it took me 3 days to find a teacher that I was looking for and in the end he didnt even give me the right information... you will also find that the grading system is more based on how much the teacher likes you on that particular day..for example there are some professors in the anatomy department that will give you a 4/5 or higher even if you have not studied... on one of my midterms the teacher asked me two anatomy questions then asked how well I did in my previous tests and gave me a 4... and then there are other teachers who will just fail or barely pass everybody... the only good thing to coming here for university is that even if you fail a million times you will still become a doctor where as in canada or australia if you fail you are kicked out of medical school... and it is cheaper for international students since it cost about 20000 dollars a year...
class sizes are about 100 to 200 and the practicals are around 15 ppl... you will not be able to find your teachers outside class hours and even if you do they wont be able to help you much either because their english is really bad or because they actually dont know much about the subjects they are teaching... there are some good teachers but not all of them are good... there is wireless internet on campus and depending on the day it will be either slow or super slow... and you dont even get to use online databases i am pretty sure most ppl here dont even know how to use them.. its not something they teach here and for that matter i would not think that the school has access to these resources...
hope this helped

cools
09-17-2013, 09:15 AM
I know its an old post but just had to clarify one thing,

Regarding online resources -- Most universities will have them. Debrecen has it to. Most science direct, Wiley and springerlink medical journals have been subscribed to by the journal. Its just that many students do not realize it. These journals can also be accessed from home library account.

[email protected] (http://atoz.ebsco.com/Titles/debrecen?lang=en&lang.menu=en&lang.subject=en)
Off-campus access to electronic resources - DEENKWiki2 (http://en.wiki.lib.unideb.hu/index.php/Off-campus_access_to_electronic_resources)

Thunderbolt
03-31-2014, 05:26 AM
is semmelweis a good med school?

devildoc8404
03-31-2014, 05:58 AM
Semmelweis has a strong international reputation, but it is still an E-EU university with all of the headaches that go hand-in-hand with the region. With that said, it seems to be a damn sight better than the universities in the Balkans.

FWIW, I work with a grad from the Semmelweis German-language program, and he is a good doc.

moosehead
04-02-2014, 05:51 PM
Almost everybody here says "lower your expectations" if you're going to Hungary. I have never been to Hungary, reading your comments give me mixed reactions.

I have a Bachelor's degree in Science from an accredited Canadian University. People who say that nobody uses the online databases in Hungary; what do they use then? From my own experience in my 4th year of university, 80% of my learning happened through online databases and scientific journals.

I am planning on going to Debrecen or Semmelwies next year; reading other people's comments, and just not knowing whether your school has subscription to databases give me some serious doubts about the quality of education in Hungary.

Also, can someone please comment on lecturers and professors and their qualifications to teach as compared to those in English-speaking countries?

As a Canadian university graduate, to what extent should I "lower my expectations" if I decide to go to Hungary?

devildoc8404
04-02-2014, 06:20 PM
In general, you need to "lower your expectations" and also "adjust your understanding of normal" if you consider a medical school anywhere in the E-EU... especially if you are coming from North America or W-EU. With that said, there are strata within the E-EU, as well, and some places are better than others.

I have probably typed or said this a hundred times, and it still holds true... spend the freaking money, and fly to visit the medical schools you are considering. Spend a few days in each place visiting the classes and talking with students and faculty. Then, and only bloody well then, will you have any sort of an accurate inkling as to whether it is something that you can/wish to tackle.

FWIW, I helped two North Americans come to my school (in Bulgaria, which is admittedly worse than Hungary), and neither one wanted to visit first despite my advice... aaaaand neither one ended up staying longer than 8 weeks. One decided to try for medical school in the US and then decided on a PhD program in the US, and the other is finishing his medical degree elsewhere in E-EU. That was a huge waste of money and time which could have been prevented if they had spent a fraction thereof in advance doing some boots-on-the-ground scouting and fact-finding.

Is it possible to become a good doc coming out of an E-EU medical school, in Hungary or elsewhere? Of course it is, there are excellent physicians in these places, but there are also some real dregs. Additionally, studying medicine in the E-EU is a hell of a lot more work, frustration, anger, and a far bigger pain in the butt than it needs to be. Some profs are world-class. Some are clowns. Some are sadistic. Some are just lame. The good can be very, very good indeed. The bad are horrid.

From my graduating class of 16, there are 2 in the US (FM), 1 in Germany (Neuro), and 1 in Switzerland (Surgery/Urology). The others are either unemployed, paying more (of their parents') tuition money to try to specialize in Bulgaria, or working illegally in India. By my math, those are sobering stats.

Finally, not for nothing, but if you want to return to the US for residency and work then you also should take a very serious look at the US Match number projections after 2016 for foreign medical graduates.

There is no hand-holding when you are studying in the E-EU. The admin, in general (there may be some variances here between countries), does not likely care one whit whether you graduate or get a job afterward, as long as you pay tuition. With that said, if you bust your butt, find good profs and classmates to work with (alas, far too many of them will likely not be good, ethical, motivated, sharp students), spend a LOT of extra time out of class, and have a bit of pit bull in your blood, you can accomplish a lot from these schools. Are you an outlier?

moosehead
04-02-2014, 10:30 PM
Thank you for your detailed response.

I am now considering travelling there, just to pay a visit and see things for myself. One of my friends visited Budapest this past summer. He generally described Hungary as a beautiful country with delicious food, and friendly people. He stayed there for only a day, and only visited the tourist areas, so he didn't learn much about other things.

If I were an "outlier", I would have been accepted in Canada and I wouldn't have to go through all of this. I have learned a lot through my undergrad studies. I now know what it takes to be a doctors, and it's nothing but hard work and dedication.

I just want to ask you this one question; given that you were in the same position as me and you had a choice between going to Hungary or Caribbean with the goal of becoming a good doctor and returning to Canada for practice, what would it be and why?









In general, you need to "lower your expectations" and also "adjust your understanding of normal" if you consider a medical school anywhere in the E-EU... especially if you are coming from North America or W-EU. With that said, there are strata within the E-EU, as well, and some places are better than others.

I have probably typed or said this a hundred times, and it still holds true... spend the freaking money, and fly to visit the medical schools you are considering. Spend a few days in each place visiting the classes and talking with students and faculty. Then, and only bloody well then, will you have any sort of an accurate inkling as to whether it is something that you can/wish to tackle.

FWIW, I helped two North Americans come to my school (in Bulgaria, which is admittedly worse than Hungary), and neither one wanted to visit first despite my advice... aaaaand neither one ended up staying longer than 8 weeks. One decided to try for medical school in the US and then decided on a PhD program in the US, and the other is finishing his medical degree elsewhere in E-EU. That was a huge waste of money and time which could have been prevented if they had spent a fraction thereof in advance doing some boots-on-the-ground scouting and fact-finding.

Is it possible to become a good doc coming out of an E-EU medical school, in Hungary or elsewhere? Of course it is, there are excellent physicians in these places, but there are also some real dregs. Additionally, studying medicine in the E-EU is a hell of a lot more work, frustration, anger, and a far bigger pain in the butt than it needs to be. Some profs are world-class. Some are clowns. Some are sadistic. Some are just lame. The good can be very, very good indeed. The bad are horrid.

From my graduating class of 16, there are 2 in the US (FM), 1 in Germany (Neuro), and 1 in Switzerland (Surgery/Urology). The others are either unemployed, paying more (of their parents') tuition money to try to specialize in Bulgaria, or working illegally in India. By my math, those are sobering stats.

Finally, not for nothing, but if you want to return to the US for residency and work then you also should take a very serious look at the US Match number projections after 2016 for foreign medical graduates.

There is no hand-holding when you are studying in the E-EU. The admin, in general (there may be some variances here between countries), does not likely care one whit whether you graduate or get a job afterward, as long as you pay tuition. With that said, if you bust your butt, find good profs and classmates to work with (alas, far too many of them will likely not be good, ethical, motivated, sharp students), spend a LOT of extra time out of class, and have a bit of pit bull in your blood, you can accomplish a lot from these schools. Are you an outlier?

Thunderbolt
04-04-2014, 12:05 AM
Can you please help me too kind sir? I am prearing for the semmelewis exam and i dont know whereexactly to stuy can yo give me tips on that? And in the interview?

devildoc8404
04-04-2014, 10:34 AM
@Thunderbolt: Nope, sorry. I cannot be of any assistance in that regard. I never attended Semmelweis, never even applied there, and know virtually nothing about their admissions examination.

@moosehead: Hey, the med school admissions scene in Canada is cutthroat by any measure... there is no real shame in not getting accepted to med school there. Lots of excellent Canadian students end up at SABA (etc.) for that very reason.

That is kind of a loaded question, actually. I chose to attend medical school in E-EU instead of the Carib for a variety of reasons. (Humidity was one of them. Not in the top ten, but up there.) :) It was a better place for my wife's career, and I love Europe. (The Balkans are a different kind of Europe, but nevertheless...) Also, it is worthwhile to remember that I did not attend school in Hungary, so I do not have the detailed insights into the Hungarian programs that an alum would have.

Frankly, with the specific goal of working in Canada (you did not say matching in Canada, which is a hell of a lot harder), there are a few options. Probably one of the best ones would be Ireland, assuming you are competitive for their programs. It is not one that you mentioned, but it is a Commonwealth country with English as the native tongue, and with a good track record of placing docs back in Canada for residency. It also opens up parts of Europe as well as the US for residency training as an alternative. Remember that some European training (UK, Swiss, Ireland, etc.) is accepted for licensing in Canadian provinces, so it would be nice to have that as a Plan B or C in case CARMS did not work out.

By that same token, Hungary would also grant an EU diploma to allow EU residency training, but the training is in English-As-A-Second-Language (not the same thing, trust me). You could also only train/work in EU locations where a non-EU citizen can work. Hungary would allow application to the US and Canada, as well, but (as far as I am aware) you would probably need to manage your own US/Canada clinicals, and probably on your own time. That rather sucks, from my experience, but it can be done. I could be wrong on that, there may be some Hungarian schools with US clinical rotations -- that would be a question for someone who is there.

The Carib option is a good one, but the numbers for CARMS are terrible, and the numbers for the US are not predicted to stay as they are. However, there are US (and possibly Canadian) clinicals, which helps a ton. The backup options from the Carib are generally not as extensive as EU schools.

Given my own choices in specialization after graduation, it should be no surprise that I tend to lean toward the schools that offer the greatest number of options... which would be an EU medical degree. If you are 100% set on returning to Canada, and still want some good backup plans, then Ireland would be a fine choice if you are competitive there. If you want to complete all US/Canadian rotations, then Carib schools (or a Hungarian school with US rotations, if there are any) would be a great option.

Other people here on VMD will certainly disagree, which is fine, this is just how I see things. Oh, and you should DEFINITELY visit Hungary (and Ireland, if it interests you) first. Excellent choice. If you are interested in checking out Ireland their application crew (for all schools) is at Atlantic Bridge | Study in Ireland (http://www.atlanticbridge.com) . Good luck.

Thunderbolt
04-05-2014, 05:36 AM
Thanks for your detailed responses they are highly appreciated and i sincerly thank you for that.

I am from nigeria and i am trying to gain straight admission into semmelweis university as i have concluded my high school educations.

I have done extensive research on the entrance examinations and the subjects/guidelines topics which are recommended/required to read for the exam but the problem is some of the topics mainly

Cell and its organization: The cell and its organization (morphology and function): Prokaryotes (viruses, bacteria) and Eukaryotes (focus on cilia and flagella, cell wall, cell membrane, endoplasmic reticulum, Golgi, lysosome, mitochondrion, plast, ribosome, centriole, nucleus, nucleolus)
havent been that deeply taught to us as our textbooks dont even contain the topics can you direct me to any online site where i can acess notes on this topics to study on? Thanks! Your prompt response would be highly appreciated.

devildoc8404
04-05-2014, 03:21 PM
Google is your friend. You might try Cell Biology | Learn Science at Scitable (http://www.nature.com/scitable/topic/cell-biology-13906536) as well as some of the Cell Biology review books for the USMLE boards. I do not know the level they want for the entrance exams, although if you know the stuff from the USMLE books you will be way ahead of the game.

MadameCaptiver
04-08-2014, 03:32 PM
Thunderbolt:
This is a great website for quick revision for the topics! Try typing 's-cool a level bio' in google. I can't post the link cause I'm new here & have to have a post count of 20 apparently before I can post links :|:|

I don't know how it works at Semmelweis but I gave the exam for Debrecen so I can only give you a rough idea of that. I hope it's similar to how they carry out the exams for Semmelweis.
Don't worry about the exam but be mentally prepared! For my exam in Feb, the Chem bit was pretty tricky but the Bio was standard and could be answered with a bit of brain-rattling. However, my friend had given the exam the previous year (2013). She said the exam was quite difficult and only a handful passed out of many. So you have to be prepared for what they may throw at you. You need to revise atleast 1 or 2 times again before you're ready. And by revise, I mean you should have read through and noted all the essential facts of each topic then gone through them carefully atleast 2 times. Good luck! I honestly know how nerve-wracking this entire procedure can be :)

Thunderbolt
04-13-2014, 02:28 AM
Was there english based questions and how were they? Also how was the interview what sort of question did they ask and is there any form of dress-code needed?

MadameCaptiver
04-13-2014, 08:56 AM
Was there english based questions and how were they? Also how was the interview what sort of question did they ask and is there any form of dress-code needed?

There were about 20 Bio questions. You can choose between Chem & Physics. If you choose Chem (like I did), you get about 20 Chem questions and 5 basic Phy questions and vice versa. The first 10 of both Bio & Chem are multiple choice questions. They were standard questions. The next 2 for Bio for me were definition questions. They asked me to define 'Glycolysis'. Then there was fill in the blanks and matching with the correct term. Pretty basic. Chem: first 10 were multiple choice and some were calculations (like how many moles etc) then there were 3 asking to draw the shape of some molecules. Physics were very basic.

I gave the exam in UAE and did not exactly follow a certain dress code. I just wore a clean pair of jeans and a decent shirt with a black overall. Some of the guys wore suits so wear something appropriate but comfortable.

For the interview, it really depends on what examiners you get. I got really good ones. The guy asked the Bio questions and the woman asked the Chem ones. Sometimes, the examiner gives you a topic and asks you to explain it. But, my guy asked me what I wanted to talk about and I explained the Circulatory system. Beware, the examiner picks on the tiniest things and asks questions which you never thought of so just appear as confident as you can and never say "I dont know". The Chem woman asked me to explain some pretty basic pH questions and the structure of Benzene.
Hope I helped.
Good luck!

Thunderbolt
04-24-2014, 03:10 PM
does anynone know any biology website where i can read extensively on these topics?

Anabolic and catabolic pathways

devildoc8404
04-24-2014, 03:29 PM
Let me google that for you (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Anabolic+and+catabolic+pathways)

MadameCaptiver
04-26-2014, 11:18 AM
does anynone know any biology website where i can read extensively on these topics?

Anabolic and catabolic pathways

I have powerpoints for Bio, Chem & Phy topics including catabolic and anabolic pathways. Gimme your email so I can send them to you!

Thunderbolt
04-26-2014, 03:34 PM
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Thunderbolt
04-26-2014, 03:44 PM
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Thunderbolt
04-26-2014, 04:16 PM
Sorry bout that i had to make 20 posts before i could drop my email link

[email protected]

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