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mustapha2k10
09-23-2011, 02:06 PM
right, naturally for me i want to do medicine, however, (i am in my final year getting a BSc degree) recently ive started to realise that the 4 year medicine programs may not be accredited by the GMC as it doesnt fulfil the required number of hours/yers for EU registration, if that is the case, it leaves me with just the 6 year program in medicine available...but i dont want to commit to a further 6 years of study, id prefer to do 5 years of dentistry and just work as a dentist.

so the question is, if i do a degree in dentistry, will getting a job in the UK (or the EU) be easier than doing a degree in medicine?

and secondly, are there any clarifications on the 4 year MD program not being accepted by the EU?

thanks for any help...(PS im a UK citizen)

Superman19
09-24-2011, 09:18 AM
its best you speak to the gmc regarding these qualifications

SteveB
10-04-2011, 12:58 PM
I agree on checking with GMC for definite answer. I'd assume most of classes you'd get credit for and if needed you will just complete necessary classes to get full degree.

devildoc8404
10-04-2011, 03:08 PM
England and Ireland each have 4-year graduate programs in medicine now, so I would be surprised if that would pose a problem. Still, you had better make doubly sure with the GMC before you make any decisions one way or the other.

mustapha2k10
10-04-2011, 03:38 PM
i did get in touch with the gmc and they gave me the following reply:


Thank you for your enquiry regarding institutions in Poland. As you may be aware, European Directive 2005/36/EC, allows for the mutual recognition of professional qualifications between relevant European states, provided the qualifications meet certain requirements.

Amongst other requirements referred to in the Directive, Article 24 requires that basic medical training shall consist of at least six years of study or 5,500 hours of theoretical and practical training.

The GMC recognises qualifications awarded in compliance with the Directive, it is likely therefore, that the qualification awarded by the institution in Poland will be acceptable for the purposes of applying for GMC registration. Information about the types of evidence you will be required to submit along with your application can be found on our website.

Our website also provides contact details of the competent authorities in each relevant European State which are responsible for the standards of training and the qualifications awarded in those states. We would strongly advise you to contact the relevant competent authority for confirmation that the course you intend to undertake will provide you with a qualification that is considered to be compliant with the minimum standards referred to in Directive 2005/36/EC.

Please note that all guidance provided in relation to the acceptability of primary medical qualifications is correct at the time given. As the regulations and criteria regarding requirements for registration are based in legislation we cannot guarantee that the requirements will remain the same should you apply in the future.

I hope this information is helpful to you. Please refer to our website at GMC | Home (http://www.gmc-uk.org) for further information about the GMC and acceptable primary medical qualifications.

Yours sincerely


From this, im pretty sure what theyre saying is, since it from an EU country is will most likely obide by the EU conditions and it should be automatically accepted. I've emailed the polish medical directives though and they've still not replied whether it is definitely an accepted polish 'lekarza' however, on the websites they do confirm that when you finish the 4 year program you are awarded a 'lekarza' likewise with the 6 year course...so the 4 year program is definitely EU accredited!!

shatteredtoast
08-17-2014, 11:18 PM
Any update on this? so the final conclusion is that a 4 year medical program in Poland would possibly land me a residency and a job in the EU as well as the US?

kelevra
09-16-2014, 04:39 AM
I have also just completed a bachelor of science! Is there any knowledge of 4 year dental schools in Europe?

Thanks!

TransparencyInternational
03-23-2015, 06:39 AM
2015 Alerts/Warnings: Study medicine / dentistry in Poland in English


Easy administrative entry but difficult bureaucratic exit.

Don't fall for it. Your diploma may not be valid in your country.

Do your research.

Most info/websites are biased: often written by the schools.

Find out if the diploma alone will be valid in your country before you embark to study in Poland.

As of 2015 - (1) your selected Polish medical school, (2) the Polish ministry of education/health, (3) the Regional Medical Chamber, (4) Centrum Egzaminów Medycznych (CEM) - are the entities you have to deal with to get a fully valid and recognized medical education from Poland.

The Polish medical school will simply get your money and award you a piece of paper, so-called "diploma" with a supplemental paper saying that it is not valid to work as physician/dentist without completing one year working as an assistant and passing Lekarski Egzamin Końcowy (LEK) or Lekarsko-Dentystyczny Egzamin Końcowy (LDEK)

You will study in English, but you must speak Polish fluently beyond graduation to validate your diploma in Poland.

The whole Polish system as a country is dysfunctional. People are still poor and don't want to give out anything to foreigners for a fair price. In other words, the persisting poverty causes the people to tolerate bribery.

Badly written English LEK/LDEK questions - and you keep re-paying the fee to retake the exams.

Despite several complaints, nothing is being done to address the problems with the English LEK/LDEK questions.

Instead, CEM blames the English graduates and the schools and carry on with the rip-off.

In 2012, CEM removes the Polish language requirement / limited licence for graduates who study medicine/dentsitry in English in Poland.

It still doesn't work - Poland's education budget continues to suffer from economic crisis.

So CEM uses English LEK/LDEK as a new source of revenue to organize the exams. Greater than 10000 polish graduates write the exam in Polish for free, compared 1000 English graduates writing the exam in English for 340 pln. Multiply 1000 x 2 (times/yr) x 10 yrs x 340=6.800,000.00 pln or ~2 million euros.

It sounds small for some people. But, as of 2015, the minimum wage in Poland is

1,750 PLN (~425 euros) per month

or

437.5 pln per week

or

87.5 pln per day.


So your 340 pln can pay full-time daily salary of ~4 people in Poland.



Forget about doing Polish internship.

It is anally complicated! - if you are not Polish and did not study in Polish.



If you are EU/EEA citizen:

Most states have removed the internship. Passing the final school exam and diploma entitle you to practice without restriction.

UK, Ireland, and Malta are the options for internships in English - HOWEVER - during the colonial centuries, the English Empire have stolen the resources of almost every country on the planet. Their former colonies, for example, India has 1.5 billion people -->The point is that competition is really high. You may not get internship there.

Your exit options to validate you English medical education from Poland is to compete with the locals and the people from former British colonies (India, Pakistan, Malaysia, Nigeria, etc.)

The Scandinavian countries still have internship, but the available spots are primarily reserved for Scandinavian graduates who have studied in Scandinavia - as the scandinavian countries are planning to completely remove the internship and gradually shorten the education from 6 to 5 years and possibly to 4 years - as in the USA.

Currently in the USA, there are 2 pathways:

1-yr premed + (the new) three-year MD (3YMD) degree pathway = 4 years
or
1-yr premed + four-year MD (4YMD) degree pathway = 5 years

If you already have a degree confirming that you have already taken university level biology, chemistry, physics equal to premed credit hours; you skip premed.

If you EU/EEA citizen - Some EU/EEA countries allow you to go around the system by doing independent probation training before you can start specialist training.



If you non-EU/EEA citizen:

you will be in serious problem if you cannot get your country to recognize your diploma!

Some EU/EEA countries may not even want to recognize your diploma because you have not EU/EEA citizenship.

It is called "immigration & discrimination"

Depending on your country of residence -

In the end - you might end up spending 100000 euros for an education which has no value in your country.

If your Non-EU/EEA country does not recognize your diploma. You can keep on trying taking the English LEK/LDEK, but your chances of getting this supplemental document is very low - As some of the Polish entities mentioned above claimed that the reason for low passing rate is due the quality of the English education - and not due to problems in the English LEK/LDEK questions. CEM do not want to declassify the questions so examinees do not bombard them with affirmative actions.

So these institutions inform you in advance that you will be robbed, if you come to study medicine/dentistry in English in Poland

Alternately, try another EU/EEA country that do not have internship, where diploma = grant full access to registration with a licence to practise
a) some might offer you to repeat 3 years of medical school.
b) other may require you to repeat the entire medical education.

They will do this to you because you are not EU/EEA citizen.

Some EU/EEA countries may wave the requirement to repeat the education partly or completely - if you married to a national or EU/EEA citizen.

If they do recognize it - and don't have the internship system, you may be entitled to probation training.

Don't forget Language requirement!!!

Recently most EU/EEA countries raise language requirement from B2 to C2 level.

Some medical boards will not recognize your diploma without passing a language test at level C2

During interviews, employers often put more emphasis on the language than your medical qualification.

It is due to the fact they have a pile of geriatric patients, who often will not understand your foreign accent and you too cannot understand theirs and their local dialect.

In other words, you may not be able to find a job at all in EU/EEA countries with your English medical/dental education from Poland.







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