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CaribPA
07-05-2011, 08:17 PM
Does anyone know if Saint Matthew's has ever been eligible for Title IV loans? Thanks

sansom
08-07-2011, 10:12 PM
please tell me how you went from being a graduated MD to becoming a PA? Do you get any credit for the courses?

I have my MD, did a year of residency, burned out and just want to work. I'm also img so cannot get a medical license. Hope to hear from you soon, thank you.

CaribPA
08-07-2011, 11:01 PM
please tell me how you went from being a graduated MD to becoming a PA? Do you get any credit for the courses?

I have my MD, did a year of residency, burned out and just want to work. I'm also img so cannot get a medical license. Hope to hear from you soon, thank you.

You have to do the whole program like anyone else, in my program, it is 28 months long. You also must have prerequisites to get accepted. PA school is getting really competitive nowadays. Being an IMG has no benefit in getting accepted, in fact, it may put you at a disadvantage as many PA programs are aware that you use PA school as a back up, so you need to be very humble and in the personal statement, you need to convince them that you really want to be a PA. The only advantage that you will is AFTER you get accepted, you will not need to study much because you already know the materials, much more than your classmates, so PA school is a piece of cake for.
What do you mean by you did a year of residency? Did you do the residency in the US but quit because you got burned out?

sansom
08-07-2011, 11:19 PM
yes I did one year of residency and quit. the quality of life I had was just not worth it. it is over the top training and PA's really do the same thing when it comes to primary care. i dont know why anyone would go from pa to md. I understand the fulfillment of the ego when it comes to being called doctor, but being a pa is a fine place to be in life without the suffering, literally, of a medical residency. it's really that bad.
thank you for replying so quickly, i cannot take anymore schooling.

lkb
08-07-2011, 11:35 PM
Sansom, you could have applied for a license in Wisconsin after one year of residency. Although, you would still have problems with jobs and insurance because you are not board certified. After going so far, I am sorry to hear that you gave up. Good luck getting in a PA program.

CaribPA
08-07-2011, 11:39 PM
yes I did one year of residency and quit. the quality of life I had was just not worth it. it is over the top training and PA's really do the same thing when it comes to primary care. i dont know why anyone would go from pa to md. I understand the fulfillment of the ego when it comes to being called doctor, but being a pa is a fine place to be in life without the suffering, literally, of a medical residency. it's really that bad.
thank you for replying so quickly, i cannot take anymore schooling.

To be honest with you, I only plan to work as a PA for maybe 2-3 years to get my student loans paid off and will pursue residency in FM afterward. I'm actually interested in underserved/rural primary care, so you're right in that PA is not much different from MD in primary care setting, especially underserved/rural medicine. Now that makes me rethink. Before PA school, I could think of was residency and that's all I wanted to do. I unfortunately did not match so that's why I went to PA school.

Future MD | DM erutuF
08-08-2011, 05:25 AM
Just because PA's can prescribe medications (in some states), that does not equate them to physicians. Just check a list of differential diagnoses a PA comes with for certain symptoms compared to a board-certified FM physician and I'm sure you'll think differently too. You don't go to a doctor for pills, you go to a doctor to figure out what's wrong.

gx255
08-08-2011, 07:01 AM
Some PA's have that power some dont

CaribPA
08-08-2011, 02:54 PM
PAs do have prescribing priviledge but their restrictions as to what class e.g. narcotics they can prescribe vary from state to state.
Future MD, I agree with you regarding a traditional PA as their education is much more limited since they only go to school for 2 years vs medical school is 4 years. They're trained to treat common dx and that's why they're required to have a supervising physician to consult with regarding complicated patients. However, the exceptions here are being I am an IMG so I also did medical school for 4 years. Furthermore, in many rural settings where the supervising physicians are hundreds of miles away, PAs are often the primary medical providers so they have autonomy in decision making. After 10 years of work experience, many PAs are as knowledgeable as physicians.
So, it is not very wise to make a general statement as it varies greatly based on circumstances and many factors need to be taken into consideration. I have experience from both ends of the spectrum, which allows me to have this insight.

thesalhis
08-08-2011, 03:05 PM
pas do have prescribing priviledge but their restrictions as to what class e.g. Narcotics they can prescribe vary from state to state.
Future md, i agree with you regarding a traditional pa as their education is much more limited since they only go to school for 2 years vs medical school is 4 years. They're trained to treat common dx and that's why they're required to have a supervising physician to consult with regarding complicated patients. However, the exceptions here are being i am an img so i also did medical school for 4 years. Furthermore, in many rural settings where the supervising physicians are hundreds of miles away, pas are often the primary medical providers so they have autonomy in decision making. After 10 years of work experience, many pas are as knowledgeable as physicians.
So, it is not very wise to make a general statement as it varies greatly based on circumstances and many factors need to be taken into consideration. I have experience from both ends of the spectrum, which allows me to have this insight.
excellent reply

CaribPA
08-08-2011, 09:37 PM
I still would like to find out the answer to my original question. Does anyone know?

rokshana
08-09-2011, 12:21 PM
I still would like to find out the answer to my original question. Does anyone know?

no they are not eligible, and never have been.

doc2be1day
08-09-2011, 07:10 PM
no they are not eligible, and never have been.

And with a first time Step 1 pass rate under 60% they never will.

themaster
08-09-2011, 07:30 PM
The standards for Fed loans increase as of July 2010. Few will meet the new standard.

REPORT TO THE U.S. CONGRESS BY THE NATIONAL COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN MEDICAL EDUCATION AND ACCREDITATION RECOMMENDING INSTITUTIONAL ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA FOR PARTICIPATION BY CERTAIN FOREIGN MEDICAL SCHOOLS IN THE FEDERAL FAMILY EDUCATION LOAN PROGRAM

http://www2.ed.gov/about/bdscomm/lis...ngress2009.pdf







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