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NUHS-AUC
06-14-2011, 07:40 PM
NUHS currently offer: MSc.ACP, ND, MSOM, MSc.Acu, Plus 3 residencies in Family Practice, Research & Radiology. ALSO, By 2015 PA and DO bridge programs are in the works !

NUHS current state of expansion added various credentials to allow NDs & DCs expanded scope of practice, in the meantime NDs & DCs can obtain the MSc.ACP (Advance Clinical Practice), MSOM and MSc.Acu...
Recent resistnace in NM regarding providing prescriptive rights to DCs from Straight DCs that want to keep the profession in statsis, and maintain the "Chiropractic Dogma" provided rationale for president JW at NUHS to expand further programs, and allow NUHS DC or ND graduates to pave the way of CHIROPRACTIC & NATUROPATHIC MEDICINE FUTURE...

Mutual Cooperation Agreement Launched between NUHS and Georgetown University Medical Center - Defining the future of integrated health care |*National University of Health Sciences (http://www.nuhs.edu/news/2011/6/mutual-cooperation-agreement-launched-between-nuhs-and-georgetown-university-medical-center/)

Academics |*National University of Health Sciences (http://www.nuhs.edu/academics/)


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rabbitgti20
06-15-2011, 09:35 AM
This is exciting news and I'm 100% supportive about the DO and PA bridge programs. I like what NUHS is doing by taking the lead and pushing the chiropractic profession forward instead of waiting for changes to happen. I wish these programs were available when I was a DC student.

thebonecrusher10
06-15-2011, 10:04 PM
Dr. Winterstein is brillant and a true leader in our profession. Please consider dropping him an e-mail and letting him know you support his efforts and value the work he is doing!

This Palmer 2010 alumnus 110% supports Dr. Winterstein and NUHS!

jwinterstein
06-20-2011, 03:37 PM
Just a couple of clarifications on this thread. NUHS IS moving ahead on several fronts, however at the present time there is no effort, or ability to
develop bridge programs to the PA or DO programs. Actually for the PA program (I have checked personally) whether one is a DC, DO or MD, if you want to become a PA, you have to take the entire program. That is part of their accreditation standards. When it comes to the DO concept, I don't see real probabilities at the moment although one DO school is offering advanced standing for DPMs who wish to pursue the DO degree. At National, the MSACP is available right now and has been since September of 09. We have taken full classes and the feedback is excellent. It is vital that we move the profession into the future now if we wish to remain viable tomorrow - in my opinion.

Jim Winterstein

fmbusvi
06-20-2011, 07:21 PM
hello Winterstein, thanks for your courage and efforts that you doing to move this profession in to wright direction. our profession is stuck in to full stop position. we need to push this profession in to the direction of main stream medicine. i am a chiropractor that graduate a year ago and i am already planning to go to medical school so i can treat the patient for their best and as well as make a living of it. i wish there is something that we could do to change this profession. the situation is very desperate for the new DCs. if we do not change the direction of this profession i am pretty sure this profession will die off within couple of years.

NUHS-AUC
06-21-2011, 06:14 PM
Agreed !
Much resistance from the straight DCs out there, stuck in old dogma.


hello Winterstein, thanks for your courage and efforts that you doing to move this profession in to wright direction. our profession is stuck in to full stop position. we need to push this profession in to the direction of main stream medicine. i am a chiropractor that graduate a year ago and i am already planning to go to medical school so i can treat the patient for their best and as well as make a living of it. i wish there is something that we could do to change this profession. the situation is very desperate for the new DCs. if we do not change the direction of this profession i am pretty sure this profession will die off within couple of years.

NUHS-AUC
06-22-2011, 07:21 PM
That makes no sense for DO/MD to do PA, PA=Physician Assistant, why on earth would a Physician strive to be a Physician Assistant, this translates to Chiropractor, DC striving to be a Chiropractic Assistant or CA :) makes no sense once or ever.

However, would makes sense for a DC to be a PA, since, DCs regardless of Autonomy have limited scope in comparison to PAs, and are under utilized in comparison to PAs. For NDs the same argument exist, and more.... NDs are not licensed in all 50 states, but PAs are !

I agree with Dr. JW that the Chiropractic must move FORWARD, otherwise we will soon see DOs & DPTs (already do) own manipulative therapy and MSK primary care. Regardless, The MScACP at NUHS is a good starting point, but, a lengthy one. a much faster route and more logical in my opinion is to merge or adopt or to bridge into an already existing profession similar to PA or NP. (licensed in all 50 states with great scope, and utilization.)


Just a couple of clarifications on this thread. NUHS IS moving ahead on several fronts, however at the present time there is no effort, or ability to
develop bridge programs to the PA or DO programs. Actually for the PA program (I have checked personally) whether one is a DC, DO or MD, if you want to become a PA, you have to take the entire program. That is part of their accreditation standards. When it comes to the DO concept, I don't see real probabilities at the moment although one DO school is offering advanced standing for DPMs who wish to pursue the DO degree. At National, the MSACP is available right now and has been since September of 09. We have taken full classes and the feedback is excellent. It is vital that we move the profession into the future now if we wish to remain viable tomorrow - in my opinion.

Jim Winterstein

Forsaken38
06-26-2011, 10:00 PM
This makes the most sense out of all the ideas I have heard thus far. A bridge program to PA would be outstanding. I am glad NUHS is pushing to move things forward.


That makes no sense for DO/MD to do PA, PA=Physician Assistant, why on earth would a Physician strive to be a Physician Assistant, this translates to Chiropractor, DC striving to be a Chiropractic Assistant or CA :) makes no sense once or ever.

However, would makes sense for a DC to be a PA, since, DCs regardless of Autonomy have limited scope in comparison to PAs, and are under utilized in comparison to PAs. For NDs the same argument exist, and more.... NDs are not licensed in all 50 states, but PAs are !

I agree with Dr. JW that the Chiropractic must move FORWARD, otherwise we will soon see DOs & DPTs (already do) own manipulative therapy and MSK primary care. Regardless, The MScACP at NUHS is a good starting point, but, a lengthy one. a much faster route and more logical in my opinion is to merge or adopt or to bridge into an already existing profession similar to PA or NP. (licensed in all 50 states with great scope, and utilization.)

thebonecrusher10
06-26-2011, 10:10 PM
@Forsaken38: I think a PA bridge program makes little sense in my opinion. Not even evidence based DC's are going to want to go work for a MD and bow down to them. I know I sure dont. The MS-ACP makes more sense in my opinion. The ony thing I'd like to see integrated in that curriculuum is minor surgery, which according to the Dean at National, minor surgery isn't in the program.

Are there any DC's here who would want to do a bridge program to get a PA job?

Forsaken38
06-27-2011, 12:22 PM
Depends on what state you are in. An MD or DO only has to sign off on a certain percentage of cases. Also it would be helpful if one was to work in an integrative clinic. For most other DC's who just want to practice autonomously, no it is not a good idea. But we were talking about what national was doing to help the progression move forward. I personally think this will have a great impact on the profession and will help move it towards a more primary care role.


@Forsaken38: I think a PA bridge program makes little sense in my opinion. Not even evidence based DC's are going to want to go work for a MD and bow down to them. I know I sure dont. The MS-ACP makes more sense in my opinion. The ony thing I'd like to see integrated in that curriculuum is minor surgery, which according to the Dean at National, minor surgery isn't in the program.

Are there any DC's here who would want to do a bridge program to get a PA job?

NUHS-AUC
06-27-2011, 09:56 PM
Hello again, here is my 2 cents on PA for DC/ND and why ?:

PA makes more sense than MSc.ACP
1. No state, MD/DO group/association knows or cares about MScACP except for New mexico Chiropractic association

2. PA or NP already exist & licensed in all 50 states, NO Need to re-invent the wheel which what the MScACP is.

3. Autonomy issue with PA ? not really, since most MDs even join group practice, and collaborate with specialists, so even if you are DC, PA ideally you want to work in a group practice and not solo these days due to managed care. (I will be a surgeon, and yet will most likely join a group.)

4. MScACP will take FOREVER to implement, while finding a PA program to bridge with NUHS DC is MUCH easier to find, there are over 100 PA programs, the Basic sciences at NUHS is comparable if not better than most PA programs, so why not work on bridge program so DCs or NDs that want license in 50 states, can obtain the PA after perhaps an exit exam, or to take few more courses at PA school ? then complete 12 months in hospital clinical setting......afterall, we are talking PHYSICIAN ASSISTANT here, not crazy speciality training !!!

5. NUHS MScACP is mostly ONLINE with some weekend attendance, so how much REAL training would you get from that degree ?? while MScPA is 24-27 months of FULL TIME education, while the last 12-15 months are HOSPITAL RESIDENCY, enough said.

As a R3, I would love to see DC,PA working together or assist in surgery with Orthopedic surgeons etc...they could be valued members of the team. or ND,PA working together with Oncologists or Internal Medicine MDs, collaborating on nutrition etc...

Good luck !




Depends on what state you are in. An MD or DO only has to sign off on a certain percentage of cases. Also it would be helpful if one was to work in an integrative clinic. For most other DC's who just want to practice autonomously, no it is not a good idea. But we were talking about what national was doing to help the progression move forward. I personally think this will have a great impact on the profession and will help move it towards a more primary care role.







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