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englanduk
05-09-2011, 06:28 AM
Hi, i'm from uk, applied for the 4 year medicine course in Warsaw but suddenly realised, after googling, that it may not be an accepted amount of years for GMC registration in the UK and EU. Does anyone know if this is true?

Also, if there is anyone currently on the 4 year course, is it so difficult, the brain simply gives up, on top of that, learning a new language?

I'm considering applying for the 6 year course, but there's an entrance exam, and its only 11 days away!! (as read on the website), its a bit annoying as I wanted to apply for this year.

ouzi1212
05-09-2011, 09:15 AM
It is accepted in the UK, no PLAB or IELTS required. 4 Years MD programs are designed for graduates same as the UK's 4 years GEP course. The 6 years MD is designed for secondary schools students who are completing their GCSE's.

brusmani
05-09-2011, 09:20 AM
as long as You have done 1200 hours of undergraduate study before You enter the programme,Your qualification can be accepted anywhere in the EU.You have to complete 5200 hours to meet the EU requirements.if You have a degree,apply to the 4 year programme,6 years is way too long!But it's best to call the GMC and ask specifically about the university You're interested in.

englanduk
05-09-2011, 09:33 AM
hey thanks for replies, in that case, I think i'm going to go with the 4 years and I do have a science Bsc degree with the correct hours required to apply. The only restrictions were GMC registration and how intense and time demanding the 4 year course is. Learning the language + the work load of the 4 year programme must be very difficult.

brusmani
05-09-2011, 05:21 PM
Indeed,learning the language is a pain and the 4 year programme is very intense and condensed but You'll be fine... Make sure You call the GMC and ask for details about the university You're interested in,but You shouldn't have any problems in any country in the EU since You're graduating from a EU university with the correct number of hours.Whatever You do,all the best!

englanduk
05-18-2011, 05:40 AM
just wanted to say thanks for all your help, and if there is anyone else reading this and thinking of applying or have already applied to Warsaw Medical School, PM me, if would be great to know some people before going to Poland.

sarcomere700
07-26-2011, 02:50 AM
i have a quick question about when i could (if i decide to apply to MUW) apply for the 2012 year? will they be the same dates as that of the 2011 year? meaning, opening in May and closing in June/July?

also, do they have a new class starting each semester like schools in the caribbean or is it just one new class per semester year?

i really appreciate any help :)

englanduk
08-03-2011, 06:09 AM
hey I think it'll be the same as this year, apply in May receive in July/August. I just got accepted for this year so if you apply next year, I wish you all the best. Its not like the Carribean, the course will start at the end of September/early October only. Hope that helps!

englanduk
08-06-2011, 09:28 AM
ok, i've been accepted into the 4 year program, if anyone else reading this has been accepted too, PM me of reply, would be good to know some fellow students before studying in Warsaw.

zzzc
08-06-2011, 07:28 PM
well, i took a look at this site too late, since it's been 3 years since i last looked at this. and congrats on getting accepted. i'm going to be a 4th year student for the 6y program. so i can't really tell u much about the qualifications. but it's true, i have many friends from the 4y program, it is very demanding. it takes studying to a whole new level, as you'll find out, that even though you read a lot, memorize as much as you can, it can still be hard to pass some anatomy credits, or some other exams (because the way the exams are written, eg. i memorized 3 books for microbiology, and myself along with 90% of the class still got a 3 - pass for our finals, because they can test u on anything they wish, not necessarily must be from the book), but fear not, retake is always there, and generally, if you study throughout the year, and limit the partying, you'll pass for sure. i'm speaking from the point of view of a 6y prog student, and i must say, the 4y guys study way more than us, but hey u finish 2 years earlier. :) the language won't be a problem, as it's not really THAT important, unless you really want to perform extraordinarily well in clinics, and even then, all the doctors/fellow students who are of polish decent, will translate everything. Most foreigners don't even bother to learn polish, i try, cause it's more convenient to live and make friends. so that's my 2 cents on the matter, if you have more questions feel free to ask or pm me. good luck!

bidiboom
08-06-2011, 10:41 PM
Out of theoreticals, do you find clinical education satisfactory in Warsaw med? Can you make a comparison, for instance with that of US med schools? And are the quality/quantity of clinicals the same in 4 and 6-year programs, or is it better in 4 year program and not that much in 6 year?

englanduk
08-07-2011, 03:35 AM
hey thanks for all the info, I really appreciate that. I'm glad to hear language would be less important especially with the course itself being really intensive. Are any of the 4-year medical students you know from the UK and do they know if its confirmed GMC accredited?. Having called them up myself, they didn't give a clear answer, but said the 6 year was definitely accredited, but Warsaw say they add up your uni degree credits so it brings up the total required from accredidation.

Also, did you move into halls in your first year? How was it? close to the hospitals, how to do they allocate your neighbour dorms or it just random? Re-phrasing that, will the people around be internationals too or Polish?

I've had my freshers experience (mainly the 1st year) already from my university here in the UK, I did chemistry which was tough, and a lot less partying in the 3rd year meant a much better grade so having learnt from that, I'll definitely prioritise the course.

zzzc
08-07-2011, 09:45 PM
to bidiboom, any courses theoretical related, like in all eastern european countries, it's taught VERY WELL. they literally give u the books and their own power points and expect u to know the books and powerpoints inside out for all tests/exams. and even then, by knowing everything, u can still get a 3 or 3.5. so theoreticals no problem.

clinicals, that's a different matter. in my opinion the education's very goood. but it really depends on who you get for clinicals in the hospitals, most doctors are very well educated, and they will teach u very well. however, the problem comes due to the fact that u don't speak polish (unless ur polish), so there's a lot of time wasted during clinicals for ur teacher/classmate to translate what the patient says to english. so u might lose class time due to that. also, because u dont speak polish, u won't be getting real clinical experience. since the doctor is only going to translate what he thinks is necessary for you, and many other things the patient mentionned you won't know. but the cure for this is that, originally we had polish language for 2 years, now it's 3 years. and after ur 3rd year, when ull have ur clinicals, u can ask and conduct almost all history takings by urself (if u learn diligently), for me this is how i do it, i learn polish as much as i can, so i have an advantage over my peers, although my grammar is probably completely crap, but the patients respect that im trying to speak, and they understand what im trying to convery.

on comparison with US/canadian med schools. i'd say theoreticals, european schools much better, hands down. (i know teachers that can literally recite u every line on every page of their professional specialist books) clinical wise, i believe, just because the education in states is in english, the clinicals will be better there. ofcourse, on a side note, when u enter into WUM, as a med student, ur allowed to go to hospital from ur first year, and ask to join in operations, and accompany docs on duty if u so wish. (this is probably the best way to learn) i had a roommate who's in 2nd year currently, spent her last year in orthopedic hospital volunteering, she knows more than any student who passed ortho.

regarding AMOUNT of clinicals. i personally do not know the answer. but logically, i would think the 6y have more clinical time. this is true even for other theoretical courses, we (6y) have more class hours etc etc... (but we also get asked more on our exams sometimes)
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to englanduk: there is 1 guy i believe from the uk in the 4y prog, i don't know him personally too well. so i don't have his contacts. but another thing about 6y prog's
cert. u gotta remember english 6y prog is different from polish 6y program, this is the case for the california board, which they specifically approve english divisions of specific polish med schools, although all polish programs are accepted.

im assuming by halls u mean the dorms. and no, i never moved to the dorms, cause i went to warsaw on a very short notice. and it's not close to the school. u have to understand, WUM is completely spread out in the whole city. we have like 5-6 teaching hospitals, and centrum dydactyczny (new buidling, close to deans office for most classes), also the prosectorium (for anatomy, histology, microbio, most 1st year courses) it's very spread out. but from the dorms, 20-30 mins by tram/bus will get u to any of the places no prob. the dorm address is ul. karolkowa 84, check it on google maps. dc/dean's office is ul. zwirki wigury 61, banacha szpital (central clinical hospital) ul. banacha 1. the prosectorium is near the train station. check out the distances on google maps if u want.

allocation: they allocate based on whether ur eng div student or not. the karolkowa dorm has 2 buildings, 1 front for all polish kids. 2nd behind for some mostly eng division and erasmus and other exchange students. u'll be put there for sure. rooms are ok and kinda new, but frigging expensive for all their worth, that's why i live outside with someone, much cheaper and better. :) btw i won't check this site too much, if u have facebook or something drop me a pm with ur add, and u can ask me questions there, otherwise, see u in warsaw, and most likely we'll grab a beer together, since all the old students welcome the new ones in the beginning. :) gl!

ahuss101
08-11-2011, 10:35 AM
congrats in getting accepted . Im a student from england wanting to study the 4year medicine course in warsaw. if its ok i just want to ask you a few questions. What degree did you finish at what level, did you have to pass an entrance exam for the 4 year medical course in poland. have you been to warsaw to check it out, are the people friendly. could you please send me some info on how about you went on to apply to the course. I have already been to poznan this year and it seemed ok but people do say that warsaw is a much friendly place. I will hopefully be applying for the 2012 year course, i could have applied for the 2011 entry although the deadline date passed.

englanduk
08-11-2011, 04:26 PM
i did chemistry bsc, 2.2 in the end and no we didn't have an entrance exam, but they look at your individual module grades from year 1 of uni and decide on the module content themselves and results. I haven't yet been to Warsaw, I know a lot of people who've been to Poland and they say its great, the people are apparently a lot friendly than in the UK. They show interest in foreigners rather than unwelcome them. The transport system I hear is quite good, but not so much the taxis, I've heard stories they're a bit dodgy.

I applied direct through the main website, although you can only apply between May and the end of June so the signing up bit will be shaded off. They'll give you instructions but if you're in any doubt, you can speak to Anna who takes care of admissions and she's really helpful. Mostly she replies straight away but other times she may forget to reply to your query.

I can't say much though until I'm there studying and getting the experience of the city, etc, but if you do apply next year, then I will hopefully have passed my first year and be there to show you around.

ahuss101
08-11-2011, 06:24 PM
Great thanks for getting back to me, i have completed a biomedical science degree, all thanks to GOD ive come out with good results. Please throughout the year in Warsaw stay in touch, my facebook account name is Booter Khan. Let me know how things are. thanks

gradapplicant
06-05-2012, 01:48 PM
Hi, i am interested in applying to the 4 year med courses at Poznan, Warsaw, and Jagiellonian University, however GMC website only states the 6 year courses as being accredited, do you or anyone you know have official correspondence from the GMC about these 4 year courses and whether they are definitely accredited

ahuss101
06-06-2012, 12:18 PM
apply 4 them, 4 warsaw as ther is no entrance exam for the 4 year, poznan has a entrance exam and interview i dont know about the other uni. gmc in the uk have said the universities are registered so dont worry,





Hi, i am interested in applying to the 4 year med courses at Poznan, Warsaw, and Jagiellonian University, however GMC website only states the 6 year courses as being accredited, do you or anyone you know have official correspondence from the GMC about these 4 year courses and whether they are definitely accredited

Mir Hashemi
04-16-2013, 05:28 PM
Hi there, congrats for getting in. Would you be able to tell me how hard and competitive it was to get into the 4 year course , will get accept a high 2.2 degree?

And my final question, as you have been there for a while now, how are you finding the course and city.

uom
06-03-2013, 08:02 AM
Hi englanduk Im sure you will be in your 3rd year of 4 year MD. I am also from Uk and thinking to apply to 4 year programme but the problem is tution and living fees do you know if i can get the loan for warsaw in UK?

emyuk
08-29-2015, 12:18 AM
BEWARE UK STUDENT!!! According to GMC Uk, 4 year English program of MUW is not recognized BECAUSE according to GMC it does not match criteria to complete 5500 hours of training.

englanduk
08-29-2015, 01:52 AM
BEWARE UK STUDENT!!! According to GMC Uk, 4 year English program of MUW is not recognized BECAUSE according to GMC it does not match criteria to complete 5500 hours of training.

thats great timing - I just got accepted for 2015/16 and meet the FPAS eligibility criteria and previous students before me are working in the UK with this degree. It meets the hours criteria because your pre-med degree (undergrad) hours are included

mani92
08-29-2015, 02:24 AM
BEWARE UK STUDENT!!! According to GMC Uk, 4 year English program of MUW is not recognized BECAUSE according to GMC it does not match criteria to complete 5500 hours of training.

This is totally incorrect as students last year from the programme all received (that applied) FY1 spots! Even if you go to the GMC website and read what it is says properly regarding the Avicenna Directory and IMED and how they work out the hours you'll realise you're wrong ;)

emyuk
08-29-2015, 03:13 AM
Dear englanduk and mani, yesterday I called to GMC and ask them to clarify this issue. From GMC Someone called Ms. Jenny pick up my call and gave me such answer.

englanduk
08-29-2015, 03:48 AM
there are people out there who are incompetent or are too lazy to do their job properly.

listen, I started this thread 4 years ago - and now I've pretty much finished med school on this programme - I purposely postponed one/two exams to remain a final year student so I can travel and do some electives but my classmates who applied for 2014/15 FPAS are now working in FY1 places. I'm applying for 2015/16 and only a few days ago I got my FPAS eligibility acceptance email after handing in all my documentation - this acceptance therefore contradicts her completely.

The 4 year programme by itself does not have enough hours - you must have an undergrad degree in order to apply for this programme because the university adds those pre-med hours to your 4-year degree making it credible - I suspect this Ms Jenny hasn't taken that into account.

Speaking from the experience, I can tell you that the 4-year course was absolutely fine and there's nothing to worry about - it is DEFINITELY accepted by the GMC.

emyuk
08-29-2015, 01:13 PM
Dear, Many Thanks for all these clarification. I given all these information to Jenny that it is just like graduate stream of Uk and only graduate student can go for this 4 year course but she was just keep repeating her word. It seems like Ms. Jenny had no clue, what she was talking about.

Do you have any written guideline to prove that university add those pre-med hours towards 4-year degree, so I can send it to GMC.

Now, I am seriously thinking to make official complaint to GMC as their member of staff are providing wrong information.

Englanduk and Mani, you both are doing marvelous job by providing all these information to prospective students.

englanduk
08-29-2015, 02:01 PM
Dear, Many Thanks for all these clarification. I given all these information to Jenny that it is just like graduate stream of Uk and only graduate student can go for this 4 year course but she was just keep repeating her word. It seems like Ms. Jenny had no clue, what she was talking about.

Do you have any written guideline to prove that university add those pre-med hours towards 4-year degree, so I can send it to GMC.

Now, I am seriously thinking to make official complaint to GMC as their member of staff are providing wrong information.

Englanduk and Mani, you both are doing marvelous job by providing all these information to prospective students.

Listen, I wouldn't bother wasting your time on complaining. At the end of the day - it is accepted because we and previous students have just gone through it and FPAS haven't denied us - that is all that matters right now. The university has a way that adds up your hours from your previous degree - I don't care how they do it - all I know is that they do it, its done and in the end its accepted by the foundation programme - which means its fine. The last thing you want is the GMC feeling like they have to unnecessarily investigate on it then all of a sudden change the rules. They can be unpredictable - they raised the score requirement for the IELTS for no reason and still require an English language certificate even if you're a British citizen born, bred and went to school there - which makes absolutely no sense. The best advice you'll get is not from the GMC but from us students who have to go through the process

emyuk
08-29-2015, 02:31 PM
Very True.

ouzi1212
08-31-2015, 01:24 PM
Listen, I wouldn't bother wasting your time on complaining. At the end of the day - it is accepted because we and previous students have just gone through it and FPAS haven't denied us - that is all that matters right now. The university has a way that adds up your hours from your previous degree - I don't care how they do it - all I know is that they do it, its done and in the end its accepted by the foundation programme - which means its fine. The last thing you want is the GMC feeling like they have to unnecessarily investigate on it then all of a sudden change the rules. They can be unpredictable - they raised the score requirement for the IELTS for no reason and still require an English language certificate even if you're a British citizen born, bred and went to school there - which makes absolutely no sense. The best advice you'll get is not from the GMC but from us students who have to go through the process

Hi, I would like to know if the english language programme in warsaw or other polish medical universities is accepted as a evidence for English Language Proficiency, when applying for GMC registration.

Would like to know whether they accept the english programme taught in Warsaw, since there is a "list of institutions from which we will not accept evidence of English language proficiency" on the GMC website. And the Medical University of Warsaw is on that list. Please let me know if you had any issues regarding this matter.

emyuk
09-09-2015, 05:36 PM
Dear Englanduk and Mani92, are we allowed to do summer practice of every year in the UK?







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