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ilanastein
03-14-2011, 03:43 PM
Hi:
I am applying to the Technion for next year. However, I have come across all these posts. First, I want to know:

How does the Technion compare to the other medical schools in Israel in terms of residency placements? I mean, do they seemingly have the same problems as the Technion?

Would you advise on going to Sackler or MSIH over Technion?

On the one hand, it seems like the Technion has a decent reputation, but what is the deal with so few people getting residencies? Can someone PM me and tell me the real scoop here? I really want to know what the "real" story is before going halfway around the world. And please don't get all defensive and accuse me of anything. I just want to know.

ilanastein
03-15-2011, 07:18 PM
Personal communication.....

IamDawkins
03-15-2011, 08:22 PM
@ilanastein -- I can assure you there are many students, past and current, stupendously unhappy with the school. You will also not find me dropping to the immature and uncivil level of hurling fallacious personal attacks at other contributors. The funny thing is I do not have a problem with Rinat. She is always nice to me, and I find the Rinat-bashing very offensive and tasteless. Rinat is NOT the problem with the Technion. The medical school is basically independent from the main engineering campus with very little oversight from the real Technion. Herein lies the crux of the problem.

Do you know what an IP address is? It is basically an internet address that identifies the city you are in and your internet service provider. This can be spoofed with a proxy, but then the forums would get suspicious if one person was logging into an account with IP addresses corresponding to 20 different countries in one day. The forums also will log your IP address when you post a reply. The most common proxy servers change IP addresses every 5-15 minutes. In theory it would appear that one minute you are in Germany and 10 minutes later you are in Canada. Theoretically, a person could login to a computer in Israel from America and consistently use an Israeli IP to avoid detection, but I can not imagine anyone would be that pathetic or technologically savvy. We aren't talking about stuxnet here. This is how valuemd and studentdoctor can assure that people do not use multiple accounts. As for the person who was allegedly expelled, I spoke with him, and he gave me several reasons for leaving. Many of which have been echoed all over the internet. He said he was absolutely miserable from the first week and ultimately left because he recognized the school and most of the student body were not up to par. Judging from the match results, he was right. I think the phrase he used was "triple bogey medical school". Where have we heard these sentiments?

You are right that "steelroof" is a dupe. Does not take a forensics team to figure that one out. As for s2m25, if she is in fact who people are saying she is, was forewarned about the problems and did not get into Sackler. Ask to see her acceptance letter from Sackler. I will send $100 cash to anyone that can provide said acceptance letter.

ilanastein
03-15-2011, 10:14 PM
Hey Dawkins:
This girl "Shevie" also said that she got into US schools as well in her PM to me. It seems so disingenuous.
I guess the Technion has something in common with Japan:
They are both radioactive

maplesyrup18
03-16-2011, 01:18 AM
Ilana, that information in a Private message was supposed to be kept private. You are not supposed to be using people's real names on here! Really not ok!

murbrow
03-16-2011, 01:26 AM
Dawkins, you're a psycho. I feel sorry for any potential student who takes your advice. They'd be missing out on a great opportunity just because of some fool's blabbering.

Oh, and MapleSyrup, I'm sure ilanastein was just Dawkins making another fake name in order to post more filth on the forum. What kind of a sad, sad individual actually poses as a potential student in order to post private messages in the public forum.

maplesyrup18
03-16-2011, 01:58 AM
O ya I know Dawkins is ilanastein. What crazy pants! It is really scary that Dawkins got all this information on s2m. What a stalker, and not ok!

IamDawkins
03-16-2011, 04:40 AM
@murbrow, @maplesyrup18
There is really nothing further to say other than you are both SO WRONG.:crazy:

StudentinProgram
03-16-2011, 01:21 PM
A few months ago, it turned out that the Dean of Technion Medical School, Eliezer Sh-a;;lev wasn't complying with US Dept of Education regulations. He sent out an email on August 9, 2010 which in part said the following (notice the HILARIOUS spelling errors):

"I fear that failure to comply with the requirements will result in loss of the edibility granted to our school by the US department of education. In addition, it will lead the school to enforce limitation and restraints on the students (such as non submission of MSPES's to ERAS, and other academic restraints)."


Also Notice the threats because of HIS inadequacy.

OMGClayAiken
03-22-2011, 01:07 AM
bump, id like to hear more

StudentinProgram
03-22-2011, 10:55 AM
Here's some more:
So - there was a "panel" of a few medical students a couple weeks back to advise 3rd years on applying to different fields. Funny thing is, 2 of the students on the "panel" didn't even match into the fields they were "representing"!!! One student failed to match into surgery and another didn't match into ER. From what I have heard, only 8 people, out of a class of 30 were able to enter the match.
One student didn't match, 3 others didn't match in what they wanted to go into (2 failed to get into ER, one failed to get into surgery).

Horrible - worse than any Caribbean school.

SALMA-EL
03-23-2011, 12:45 PM
I have a serious-important question,

i'm an IMG, i studied Medicine&surgery at Padua University, i finished and was qualified there as a doctor.
since i'm Israeli, i came back home and was qualified also as a doctor at Israel and now i'm working at the CHAIM MEDICAL CENTER OF SHEBA (TEL-HASHOMER) affiliated to sackler- telavivi university.

i'm planning to move to the USA. Thus, i'm preparing for USMLE step 1 & step 2 that i have still to do (hopefully i'll finish them on august-2011).

i'm interested to do PLASTIC SURGERY... i heard that it almost impossobile for foreign students to get in or at least i have to consider to wait at least 3-4 years to succeed to get in from the moment i apply to it

what do you suggest me to do guys? has anyone an idea about programs of plastic surgery groups that i can fit in as at least observer or internship at the beginning?

TIMMY!
04-02-2011, 02:35 PM
Hi Salma-El,
It is unlikely that anyone here would be able to answer your question adequately. Here are some basics that may assist you – To do plastic surgery in the US, I believe you first must apply to and complete a 5 year General Surgery residency. After that you can apply for a fellowship in Plastics. There may be direct programs into Plastic that I don’t know about. If you are doing your surgical residency already here in Israel, then what I know is that after you pass the USMLE 1 and 2, you can do a fellowship in the US. I believe the way it works is that you are chosen by your department to go become a specialist, and then are expected to return. Theoretically, to remain in the US and practice, you would need to repeat your Residency, but I have also heard of people working ways around this; such as, wherever you are doing your program, you act like a higher ranking physician, and they make it count against your time as a resident. I’d recommend you discussing it with others in your hospital who have done residencies/fellowships in the US. To get into Plastic surgery is said to be very competitive, but the best thing you can do is spend time there working and meeting people and if you make a good enough impression, then you will have as good a shot as anybody.

miggy211
04-02-2011, 02:36 PM
is this really a serious question?

TIMMY!
04-02-2011, 03:10 PM
Regarding the panel at Technion where students were representing specialties that they were not going into – that is absolutely correct.

The idea was to be able to represent as many different specialties as possible, so when there were students who had seriously considered more than one specialty, and had information to share on both, they may have volunteered to provide the lower classmen on either specialty.

For example, the student representing Surgery spent a month at the Cleaveland Clinic in one of their surgical departments. He interviewed there, and listed them first on his rank list. He did not match into it. He matched his next choice which was an Internal Medicine program.

He was the student who had the most experience with applying to a residency program, and so he was asked to speak about it and answer whatever questions he could.

The other cases were similar stories. Based on feedback, it was a very beneficial experience, and much thanks should be expressed to all who participated.

StudentinProgram
04-02-2011, 04:34 PM
The bottom line is that people were not getting into fields that they "wanted" to go into. 20+ students from LAST year's class still were not able to secure a residency spot. The school is misrepresenting itself, and being deceitful at best, fraudulent at worst. It is not a place to go in its current format - it is not worth mortgaging your future and spending so much money when the school is performing so poorly. Also, according to the US regulations, 75% of people are not passing their boards so the school might lose eligibility for federal aid. The Dean even sent out an email to that effect (see technion teams d0t c0m).

IamDawkins
04-02-2011, 06:40 PM
What would you do if you were in charge of a medical school whose match results were circling the toilet?

A) Go on a public relations blitz to cover up the malfeasance
or
B) Shut down the program and reopen once it is ready to produce respectable results (i.e. like Sackler or Ben-Gurion)
or
C) Keep the program open and tell the truth to prospective students

The Technion has chosen option A).

crazyrinat
04-03-2011, 03:56 AM
Timmy, why are you such an apologist for the school? Just because you feel bad that you went to college in Boston, your dad is a medical school professor in Indiana and even he couldn't get you into school in the states, and you ended up mortgaging your future at the Technion- doesn't mean you should hoodwink prospective students. I know you were one of the very few who squeezed a residency. However, I also know you had to beg R for schedule changes for YOURSELF so you could even take the boards. Stop the BSing, Mr. S.






Regarding the panel at Technion where students were representing specialties that they were not going into – that is absolutely correct.

The idea was to be able to represent as many different specialties as possible, so when there were students who had seriously considered more than one specialty, and had information to share on both, they may have volunteered to provide the lower classmen on either specialty.

For example, the student representing Surgery spent a month at the Cleaveland Clinic in one of their surgical departments. He interviewed there, and listed them first on his rank list. He did not match into it. He matched his next choice which was an Internal Medicine program.

He was the student who had the most experience with applying to a residency program, and so he was asked to speak about it and answer whatever questions he could.

The other cases were similar stories. Based on feedback, it was a very beneficial experience, and much thanks should be expressed to all who participated.

StudentinProgram
04-03-2011, 04:05 AM
I think it speaks volumes that one is so easily able to tell who is defending the program because there are so few people willing to do it.

Tech2012
04-03-2011, 05:49 PM
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Molecule of Life
04-03-2011, 06:01 PM
This is sad. I was really considering applying to Israeli schools in addition to Caribbean ones. Are the other schools like BGU and Sackler just as bad, or are they even better than those in the Caribbean for a Canadian?

ObjectiveObsever
04-03-2011, 06:03 PM
BGU and Sackler are significantly better, if their match lists are any indication.

Tech2012
04-03-2011, 06:06 PM
Hi Molecule - I am just discovering this blog now. I don't know if I would recommend the Technion now. It has had some problems the last few years, and supposedly it is improving - I'll see what happens with my class.

Personally, I am a little upset with some of my classmates right now for stuff that I have PM'd them for dogpiling and insulting people that they know nothing about, so I admit I'm not being objective right now.

I've heard good things about Sackler and BGU but I can't add anything to that. I would hope that people at those places wouldn't express themselves in ways that "Timmy" or drkk or others have done - it is shameful and their posts remaining on here only stain my program more.

IamDawkins
04-03-2011, 06:07 PM
@Molecule of Life
Sackler and BGU have proven match results and also the problems one could expect from going overseas for medical school. I would put Sackler on par with a lower tier US MD. BGU is a unique program with an international component to its medical education. It is a one-of-a-kind school from what I hear with respectable match results.

Sackler >= BGU >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Technion

Technion is getting better but its a long way to go before being on par with BGU and Sackler.

TIMMY!
04-03-2011, 07:00 PM
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PufferFish
05-02-2011, 12:26 PM
There must be some very incompetent administrators at Technion. This is very sad to see. Something very wrong must be happening there. I feel very bad for the students. I think anyone considering this program has been warned!

anatomydude
07-25-2011, 10:30 AM
jeez... sounds harsh

medical student12
02-07-2012, 08:36 AM
good luck !!!

skymall
04-29-2012, 03:48 PM
The Technion is an incredible program. Notice that all the above negative posters were banned. That is because all of those usernames belong to the same bipolar kid who was expelled from Emory (Google it) and then changed his name and forged his papers and got accepted to the Technion only to be expelled later on. He has dedicated the last two years in trying to discredit the program that exposed him as a fraud. He is a pathological liar and is very well known. He has made hundreds of usernames on various sites and often pretends to have a conversations with himself from two or more different usernames lying back and forth about the Technion
The Technion is an excellent program.
Feel free to come visit or to call the school to set up a phone call with the students.
In terms of match lists- please feel free to visit the school's official website at American Medical School Program (http://teams.technion.ac.il/)
Thanks,
Mack

Shmuelbejelo
05-03-2012, 08:53 PM
There was a recent CNN article about a waiter who had an MD. He was from the TeAMS program.

"skymall" above is an embittered first year student at the horrible medical program listed above. He is just upset because the Technion has already received emails from many residency program directors that they will not consider their students. He is lashing out like a fish out of water because he was naive and his excruciating ignorance landed him at such an unaccredited program.

If you do look at the match list- it reads like an epic failure. 60% of grads over the last three years have failed to obtain a residency. If you do speak to any current students, you will hear two opinions: 1) the school is wonderful and great and there are no problems and 2) stay as far away from this hellhole as possible and avoid such a sinking vessel of sorrow.

Guess who is telling the truth?

Hint: Read the articles about all the Technion TeAMs problems in The Chronicle of Higher Education, Inside Higher Education, MacLeans (Canada), Ha'aretz, etc.

As CNN shows, going to the TeAMS program could well mean you end up as a waiter after taking out loans for their unaccredited program.

Trust the legitimate exposès, not some current shill for a third toilet program. Most students there have not even managed to get into a single DO or Caribbean program and now they fear going down with a sinking ship and some, like the charlatan above -are trying to con others to make the same awful mistake.







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