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Mdream
03-09-2011, 08:34 PM
I cannot confirm it, but the word is that New York are looking into this GMC UK thing and want to know whether they should pull our approval. If anyone knows anything more please let us know. This is very important, If I stay I need New York

thesurgeon1
03-09-2011, 09:02 PM
nah dont worry about ny or fl,they have their own criteria

where did u get that "word"? lol funny what rumors can do

shades mccool
03-09-2011, 09:03 PM
I cannot confirm it, but the word is that New York are looking into this GMC UK thing and want to know whether they should pull our approval. If anyone knows anything more please let us know. This is very important, If I stay I need New York
I think YOU should shed some light on this "rumor" you have postulated. Before you go asking other people for information, you need to provide us with what you know.

kishkash186
03-10-2011, 03:54 AM
Post has been edited to comply with the Terms of service...

Mdream
03-10-2011, 07:07 AM
.............. If anyone knows anything more please let us know. This is very important, If I stay friends with him/her.

(just in case anyone starts crying, I said "word is" which implies that I do not support the statement but another source seems to think so)

''Word'' means that the New York State Department of Education were called and they said that they are aware of the situation and are looking into the matter. If the matter is serious enough, they MAY have to follow. Before people on this board start insulting others call the New York State board yourself

kishkash186
03-10-2011, 07:32 AM
Maybe that's what you have said at the start of the thread you so kindly created.

Glad you have learnt your lesson for future reference.

SONOMD
03-16-2011, 01:32 PM
you can not confirm it because its NOT true!!!

smudoc1
03-21-2011, 05:14 PM
just found out about this via email...

smudoc1
03-21-2011, 05:15 PM
I cant believe the school waited so long to let us know....

medic300107
03-21-2011, 05:21 PM
SMU just now told you all about UK?

smudoc1
03-21-2011, 05:35 PM
Yea, Sad but True...
I think its from a disgruntled employee .... here it is..


<B>Where is this school headed ?!?!?!?

Hi Guys.
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I have recieved this email from some one in administration few days ago and it gets me worried. I heard about it by word of mouth..but it sounds like it is all true. Im almost done with rotations, and want to practice in Texas and I hope the my degree doesnt go down the drain. I like the school, except now that they may be loosing UK in addition to cali worries me......

Good day to all:
As I am sure, that most of you are aware by now, the UK has officially prohibited St. Matthews University School of Medicine (SMU) , except those that graduated before December 31, 2010.
From my experience at working at this institution, here in Orlando, I can briefly unveil why this has taken place, in one word: CORRUPTION ! The main executives and few of the Deans involved at SMU have acted unethical towards the students and Government agencies. The school has been given 2 strikes in the past by a committee in the USA, and placed on probation. They have just been given their final strike by the GENERAL MEDICAL COUNCIL COMPLEX CASEWORK TEAM, GMC , which resulted in the ban. I will NOT go into too many details regarding unethical practices by the administration yet, but I can tell you that it mainly involves falsifying official business records and student records, to receive certain approvals by certain agencies. This is an offence by the UK Competition 1998, s. 43 (1)] and [UK Competition 1998, s. 44 (1) and (2)] and US Penal code Chapter 37. As I am sure several of you openly know of the scandals in the past that resulted in termination of certain administrators contracts and their resignation with the school, i.e. 2007: Dr. H- Dean of Student Affairs: Changes student’s answers on scantron sheet , to receive a failing score, simply because the student had a disagreement with him.....Dr. Mc-: Dean of Clinical Sciences: falsifies several NBME Comprehensive and Clerkship reports resulting in failure of students, and in 2 instances falsely passing the student through clerkships and falsifying their statistics and paperwork to receive accreditation The administrators falsely report that their USMLE Step I pass rate is 95% when its actually 47%, (they fail to correctly report that 95% of students who scored higher than 75% on the NBME qualifier passed the USMLE Step I, while only 47% of students who completed the basic sciences in Grand Cayman were eligible to sit for the USMLE Step I because the other 53% did not pass the NBME qualifier) … and so on. The school administrators that had their dirty work unveiled by the diligent work of a few students, resigned, yet there are still few of them in here, and they are higher up in the administration. It is in YOUR hands to question the administration, exam records, accreditation records, and NOT simply take “ It’s a paperwork issue and we are working to resolve it ”as an answer, because that simply means yes, we are working on covering the issue up, while we take more of your money. You should ask the officials at R3 (R3 Eduction Inc. : (978) 862-9400) and CEO Ma- here in Orlando ((407)-488-1736), why they have not informed you regarding this “paperwork issue” 14 months ago when the case was opened up by GMC, and they have waited for students to learn about the matter by word of mouth and various forums (valuemd) and websites. I know that there are students at this institution that work hard, and that they pay a lot of cash out of their own/ parents pocket. It would be a tremendous setback if you find out one day that you are no longer eligible to practice in the USA, or Canada because SMU has defaulted and had its accreditation lost. I urge that all students speak with ONE VOICE to the officials here in Orlando and contact the Medical Licensing Boards of the States you plan on practicing and accreditation boards directly regarding any issues and questions you may have revolving St. Matthews University School of Medicine, because I guarantee you that the school will not reveal any accurate information until it is made public by the Boards directly. I can assure you that it is just a matter of time before the other accreditation bodies lead onto the ongoing matters and begin their own investigations.
Best of luck to all.



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I seen St. Mathew, and Spartan Health Science University on the disapproved/banned list for the UK for the most part--with some exceptions-- (from that link you provided), this is not good for students attending these schools, getting banned or disapproved by anything even if you don't plan on working there is not good for the long hall.






SMU just now told you all about UK?

ic222
03-23-2011, 12:20 AM
"The word on the street", lol. Here, let me provide you with some concrete facts.

SMU has a solid accreditation from New York, Florida and was given the highest accreditation by the ACCME. I'll be glad to source it below. With all due respect, a simple google check on SMU's accreditation for the U.S. This is from Wikipedia, but the sources are accurate and the links are conveniently placed. It would have served you well to do a little research before you posted such an ill-adivised rumor. The US and Great Britain are entirely different. And, I'm sure just like AUC resolved it a few years ago, SMU will resolve it soon as well.

We know that they have submitted the documents that the GMC have requested and it is being reviewed currently.

SMU Medical school is accredited by the Accreditation Commission of Colleges of Medicine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accreditation_Commission_of_Colleges_of_Medicine) based in Ireland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland) and accredits other schools in the Caribbean.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Matthew's_University#cite_note-accredmed.org-7).

The US Department of Education's National Committee on Foreign Medical Education and Accreditation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Committee_on_Foreign_Medical_Education_an d_Accreditation) (NCFMEA) reviewed the ACCM and determined that the standards used to accredit SMU were comparable to the standards used to accredit medical schools in the United States. [8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Matthew's_University#cite_note-accredmed.org-7) The NCFMEA declared the "comparability" of the ACCM in 2002, 2004 and 2008. [9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Matthew's_University#cite_note-8). The World Health Organization (WHO) lists St. Matthew's University in its directory[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Matthew's_University#cite_note-9) [11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Matthew's_University#cite_note-10) Similarly, FAIMER (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAIMER)'s IMED (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMED) database lists the school,[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Matthew's_University#cite_note-Cayman-1) which indicates that the school is accredited by the appropriate governmental agency.

Below is SMU's Match list for 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010.

Its a young school, but they are doing well and moving forward.

Match Results: St. Matthew's University | School of Medicine (http://www.stmatthews.edu/med_curriculum_residency-placement.shtml)

As Charlie Sheen would say, "Winning!" - This means, I win.

The Man
03-23-2011, 01:51 PM
"The word on the street", lol. Here, let me provide you with some concrete facts.

SMU has a solid accreditation from New York, Florida and was given the highest accreditation by the ACCME. I'll be glad to source it below. With all due respect, a simple google check on SMU's accreditation for the U.S. This is from Wikipedia, but the sources are accurate and the links are conveniently placed. It would have served you well to do a little research before you posted such an ill-adivised rumor. The US and Great Britain are entirely different. And, I'm sure just like AUC resolved it a few years ago, SMU will resolve it soon as well.

We know that they have submitted the documents that the GMC have requested and it is being reviewed currently.

SMU Medical school is accredited by the Accreditation Commission of Colleges of Medicine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accreditation_Commission_of_Colleges_of_Medicine) based in Ireland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland) and accredits other schools in the Caribbean.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Matthew's_University#cite_note-accredmed.org-7).

The US Department of Education's National Committee on Foreign Medical Education and Accreditation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Committee_on_Foreign_Medical_Education_an d_Accreditation) (NCFMEA) reviewed the ACCM and determined that the standards used to accredit SMU were comparable to the standards used to accredit medical schools in the United States. [8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Matthew's_University#cite_note-accredmed.org-7) The NCFMEA declared the "comparability" of the ACCM in 2002, 2004 and 2008. [9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Matthew's_University#cite_note-8). The World Health Organization (WHO) lists St. Matthew's University in its directory[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Matthew's_University#cite_note-9) [11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Matthew's_University#cite_note-10) Similarly, FAIMER (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAIMER)'s IMED (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMED) database lists the school,[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Matthew's_University#cite_note-Cayman-1) which indicates that the school is accredited by the appropriate governmental agency.

Below is SMU's Match list for 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010.

Its a young school, but they are doing well and moving forward.

Match Results: St. Matthew's University | School of Medicine (http://www.stmatthews.edu/med_curriculum_residency-placement.shtml)

As Charlie Sheen would say, "Winning!" - This means, I win.


Well thats not what Walter Ramos, Executive Secretary at the New York State Board of Education says. Listen to the people that matter, stop listening to the Dean (He has no idea what is really going on)

You can call the New York board yourself 518-474-3817, ext. 560

ic222
03-23-2011, 08:17 PM
Please inform of us what Walter Ramos told you.

As per right now, I'll go with what the New York Department of Education has stated on St. Matthews, which is a clear approval.

Here is the source: NYS Medicine:Application Forms (http://www.op.nysed.gov/prof/med/medforms.htm)

I will take this as thh horse's mouth rather than what "The Man" on Value MD says.

When NY Department of Education clearly shows approval, why are you unnecessarily try to create hysteria?

SMU continues to have good MATCH results, which are posted above and they are going to post their 2011 Match results soon. I am very proud of what my school is accomplishing, as all Carribbean schools for that matter.

I have backed up my comments with sources. Please provide more than just phone numbers. cheers.







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