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SyrianMD
04-07-2010, 12:16 PM
So I got into Charles and I have a bachelors degree from a US University. I have spoked with the Admissions office and she said that I might be able to get credit and move into the second year. Does anyone know if it is pretty easy to advance to the 2nd year with a bachelors in bio?

thanks.

shrey
04-07-2010, 01:36 PM
It's usually very very rare as Charles Uni. is quite strict on transfers/exemptions etc. I do have 3 Canadian friends who tried to get exemption from Biophysics when we were in the 1st year, but the prof. didn't allow it. 2 of the guys had a bachelors in Molecular Biology and Physiology and one other guy had a degree in Microbiology. These guys did get exempt from Biochemistry in the 2nd year as they already did it in college, but that was about it. They still had to take the important medical subjects in the 1st and 2nd years:
Anatomy,
Histology and Embryology,
Cell Biology (although it wasn't really a major subject),
Genetics,
Physiology,
Microbiology (despite the fact that the 3rd guy already had a degree, he still didn't get an exemption),
and finally Biophysics.

I think this is because most of the subjects in medical school are quite different in focus/detail from those taught in college.

medical inventor
04-09-2010, 09:59 PM
Say, what part of Prague do you live? Curious.
Can you tell me how you know you wiill get licensure in US with Charles diploma?
respectfully,
John B

maximillian genossa
04-11-2010, 09:22 AM
There was a guy who used to post here, NeilC, he was a Charles grad and is board certified OBGYN practicing in Virginia., yes, Virginia of the US of A..

You know very little on the FMG and IMG business.



Say, what part of Prague do you live? Curious.
Can you tell me how you know you wiill get licensure in US with Charles diploma?
respectfully,
John B

shrey
04-11-2010, 11:04 AM
You only get licensure after getting certified by the ECFMG (which can at times be a frustrating process). It can take anywhere from 2 - 4 months. However, getting ECFMG-certified doesn't entitle you to work as you still need to do a residency and in order to get to that, you should have Step 1 and Step 2 scores in your hand. If you're an FMG, Step 3 scores will greatly help you in getting an H-1 visa, thereby making it a better option for residency board directors to recruit you (in addition to having good Step scores and US clinical experience.)

medical inventor
04-11-2010, 02:49 PM
Shrey, thanks for the reply, but I respectfully submit that my understanding of licensure is somewhat different. Here is what I was told a few days ago by a recruiter who represents fmg to state licensing boards:
All the things you said about MLE don't matter because the licensure is controlled by the ACGME. They license only a very narrow group of schools in the Caribbean (Ross, SGU), and she said only Debrecen in Hungary. (sp) I questioned her repeatedly about eastern europe, and she said she sees none of the other schools there being licensed. According to her, you can be an Einstein of medicine, but unless you go to an anointed school, you are doing the hospital laundry, if they'll take you.

Now, her information could be narrow to her experience or otherwise not accurate. Only a fool is didactic about the machinations of bureaucracies. But you need more solid information than "so and so posted here a few years ago and he's now a licensed doc in south dakota." Such evidence is just wishful thinking, rather than the solid assurance you need before embarking on a possible fool's errand.
Just my opinion onion. JB

shrey
04-11-2010, 05:05 PM
I'm sorry but if I were you, I would doubt this agent's credibility in the first place. We have had quite a lot of students who went to America without a problem (and yes, they were studying in the English parallel.)

ACGME is not for medical students. It's for medical residents and fellows. ECFMG (ECFMG | Medical Education Credentials (http://www.ecfmg.org/creds/index.html)) is what deals with recognition of foreign medical diplomas. As long as your medical school is listed on FAIMER (ECFMG | Medical Education Credentials (http://www.ecfmg.org/creds/index.html)), you are eligible for ECFMG certification. I didn't say that you need your MLE scores to actually get recognized. I said that in order to apply for a residency program, you need to have both ECFMG certification, and USMLE scores in your hands (getting solely ECFMG certification is useless unless you're planning to go into some other non-medical field/medical research etc.)

If this agent were right (which is not the case), the 4 year medical programs in Poland and Croatia that have been running for a long time now would be absolutely worthless as they cater towards Americans/Canadians college students. The best thing to do is to correspond directly to the ECFMG council rather than believing in hearsay.

I also know a medical graduate from last year (he used to be on this forum and also has a blog) who got ECFMG certified after 2 months. So what this agent told you was nothing but B.S. (probably in a lame attempt to woo you towards a particular school.)

medical inventor
04-12-2010, 04:48 AM
thanks for post. OK, let's talk licensure. The recruiter I talked with was in the business of representing candidates to the LICENSING boards of the states. As I understand it, the ECFMG is just an exam you take and does NOT guarrantee licensure.
About hearsay, I totally agree it is almost worthless. Her statements were from ACTUAL EXPERIENCE dealing with licensing boards in the states. One problem with this discussion is WISHFUL THINKING on the part of fm students here, which is no substitute for ACTUAL FACTS about licensure.
These facts would include contact info for licensed physicians and NUMBERS licensed. I do note that Ross is the oinly one that talks about number of residents, but I don't recall licensed numbers, a different fish.

As far as certainty about this issue, I frankly don't know what the story is, bottom line. As I said, I get a lot of blather, hand-waving, argumentation, and quoting of irrelevant tests. For example, it seems that MLE, ECFMG, ACGME, FSME don't guarrantee licensure at all, it is the LICENSURE BOARDS of the states that do that. And information about their rulings comes from actual successful licensee numbers, not wishful thinking or the careful language of fm web sites.

Am I possibly ignorant or wrong about any or all of this? sure. But to show me you have to give me FACTS, not what you WANT to be true. My anecdotal evidence from the recruiter comes from her actual EXPERIENCE with the boards. Yes, this is weaker than actual certified numbers, but bear in mind that this issue is not a simple one, and I have yet to see any solid evidence of licensure from many of these schools. I welcome discussion on this issue, but please be careful in your thinking, as we should not waste our time in mere opinionating of the sort "gee, wouldn't it be wonderful to wear a white coat..."

medical inventor
04-12-2010, 05:03 AM
"4 year programs in Poland and Croatia would be totally worthless" Why do you think this is impossible? If I had a certified statement from one of these schools about licensed graduates, I would believe you. (certified = not from a word processor, vague, or hearsay.) Let me ask you a question. If the medical schools in Croatia, which have been in operation a while, are getting licensed graduates in US, why aren't they talking about it? If I were them, I'd be shouting it from the roof-tops, since their revenue comes from (gullible?) US students.

maximillian genossa
04-12-2010, 06:05 AM
Here, entertain yourself contacting ALL these agencies...

FSMB (http://www.fsmb.org/usmle_eliinitial.html)




thanks for post. OK, let's talk licensure. The recruiter I talked with was in the business of representing candidates to the LICENSING boards of the states. As I understand it, the ECFMG is just an exam you take and does NOT guarrantee licensure.
About hearsay, I totally agree it is almost worthless. Her statements were from ACTUAL EXPERIENCE dealing with licensing boards in the states. One problem with this discussion is WISHFUL THINKING on the part of fm students here, which is no substitute for ACTUAL FACTS about licensure.
These facts would include contact info for licensed physicians and NUMBERS licensed. I do note that Ross is the oinly one that talks about number of residents, but I don't recall licensed numbers, a different fish.

As far as certainty about this issue, I frankly don't know what the story is, bottom line. As I said, I get a lot of blather, hand-waving, argumentation, and quoting of irrelevant tests. For example, it seems that MLE, ECFMG, ACGME, FSME don't guarrantee licensure at all, it is the LICENSURE BOARDS of the states that do that. And information about their rulings comes from actual successful licensee numbers, not wishful thinking or the careful language of fm web sites.

Am I possibly ignorant or wrong about any or all of this? sure. But to show me you have to give me FACTS, not what you WANT to be true. My anecdotal evidence from the recruiter comes from her actual EXPERIENCE with the boards. Yes, this is weaker than actual certified numbers, but bear in mind that this issue is not a simple one, and I have yet to see any solid evidence of licensure from many of these schools. I welcome discussion on this issue, but please be careful in your thinking, as we should not waste our time in mere opinionating of the sort "gee, wouldn't it be wonderful to wear a white coat..."

medical inventor
04-12-2010, 08:30 AM
"Here entertain yourself..." - Aviv, you have dodged the question I asked you about who you are, and where? Are you a fms, an employee of fms, etc? The reason I ask is if I were attending one of these schools, I sure as he** would find out my chances of licensure. This is as serious as a heart attack for those contemplating this avenue. This is not "entertainment!" Anyone stepping into this needs to KNOW.
And about the many agencies, you have not listened to me: the Licensing boards only are in charge. You have to understand the US Constitution, but that's another matter.
So, as you admit you don't have a clue about licensure, why don't we get down to finding out what the truth is? (Maimonides - "Understanding begins when you admit you don't know. Few will admit that.")
One way is to directly ask the medical schools. I did that with one school, and they referred me to a single guy who was obviously lying to me. But a lack of answer to this question from them speaks very very loudly - against them.
Another way is to query the licensing boards. A final way is to find licensed fmg's.
I'm interested in finding a database of doctors and where they went to medical school. A friend who is a doctor consulted such a directory a few years ago. I will ask a reference librarian for this item. That seems the best thing to check at this point, rather than be a donkey-brain about all this.

maximillian genossa
04-12-2010, 09:27 AM
I already pointed you out how licensing works, were to find out the information you want in another thread, it is not rocket science as much as you want to portray it. Who I am where I am who I work for...none of your business. Happy now? I am.;)

Now, you say you are "interested in finding a database of doctors and where they went to medical school. A friend who is a doctor consulted such a directory a few years ago."

Why don't you ask that same friend of yours? Speaking of donkey braining, :doh:

Enjoy my how to get licensed in the US lessons, you certainly need them. I already shot down your statement that only SGU and Ross grads are good for licensing in the U.S. in another thread. But that was easy, anyone could have done that, I just took the first honors.

Good day!



"Here entertain yourself..." - Aviv, you have dodged the question I asked you about who you are, and where? Are you a fms, an employee of fms, etc? The reason I ask is if I were attending one of these schools, I sure as he** would find out my chances of licensure. This is as serious as a heart attack for those contemplating this avenue. This is not "entertainment!" Anyone stepping into this needs to KNOW.
And about the many agencies, you have not listened to me: the Licensing boards only are in charge. You have to understand the US Constitution, but that's another matter.
So, as you admit you don't have a clue about licensure, why don't we get down to finding out what the truth is? (Maimonides - "Understanding begins when you admit you don't know. Few will admit that.")
One way is to directly ask the medical schools. I did that with one school, and they referred me to a single guy who was obviously lying to me. But a lack of answer to this question from them speaks very very loudly - against them.
Another way is to query the licensing boards. A final way is to find licensed fmg's.
I'm interested in finding a database of doctors and where they went to medical school. A friend who is a doctor consulted such a directory a few years ago. I will ask a reference librarian for this item. That seems the best thing to check at this point, rather than be a donkey-brain about all this.

shrey
04-12-2010, 02:26 PM
duplicate post

shrey
04-12-2010, 02:27 PM
Yes, the licensing boards are responsible but these boards have no idea as to the quality of medical education obtained by the FMG. This is the reason why this job is compartmentalized between different organizations: ECFMG, FAIMER/IMED and so forth. The State boards assess the candidate based on his/her certification obtained by the ECFMG.

And yes, the previous poster posted facts (FSMB (http://www.fsmb.org/usmle_eliinitial.html)). It clearly shows you that in order to get licensure as a MEDICAL GRADUATE (NOT a doctor), you have to have your USMLE scores and ECFMG certification (if you're an FMG) beforehand. Secondly, each State will ONLY license you after you've actually gotten accepted into a residency program (again, this goes back to the USMLE and ECFMG requirements along with interviews). This is a fact and you can check it on the following website: http://www.internationaldoc.com/ (check under "State Medical Licenses")

Another example: Do check the California Medical Board website; it's lists all the schools that are eligible for licensure in the state of California. Note that California has the most stringent licensure requirements in the US. Every student who has graduated from a school mentioned on this site is eligible for California licensure (AS LONG AS they have their ECFMG certification and MLE/NBME tests.) Note that most international schools ARE recognized throughout US..but this is only applies to programs studied in the language native to that country. The english programs which are recognized are mentioned separately in parenthesis (for. eg. look under Czech Republic or Hungary or Poland.)

You want more examples? Check this website:Alabama Board Of Medical Examiners: Physician Licensee Application (http://www.albme.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=app.displayPage&pageID=21)

It's the Alabama Board of Medical Examiners. It clearly states that you need to submit your exam scores plus you need to document the fact that you " have been certified or recertified by one of the Specialty Boards approved by the American Board of Medical Specialties."

The only State boards that I know of which actually mention anything about FMGs is California and perhaps NY and NM. Usually, if your medical school is CA approved, then you will not have a hard time getting certified or licensed in other states (as long as you've fulfilled the other requirements.)

Well to be honest, you haven't given me any facts. You've only told me what the agent told you based on her experience. Do your research and you'll find out the facts for yourself. You don't need an agent to do that for you. If you want real facts, there are 2 doctors on this forum who have graduated from my university and are successfully working in the US:
1) NC - a board-CERTIFIED physician (ObyGyn) working in the US
2) DK - graduated last year and currently doing research in Kentucky (although he did receive his ECFMG certification and licensure.)

Dr. C actually visited Prague last year for presenting a seminar on "Getting into a residency and becoming board-certified to practice in the US"

I think I've given you enough facts. But you can still check the link posted by the previous poster. It lists out all the different state medical boards and eligibility requirements imposed by them. If you're looking into attending a foreign medical school, your primary concern should be whether the school is:

a) listed in the WHO list +
b) listed in the IMED/FAIMER list +
c) if it's CA-accredited +

If these 3 requirements are met, and you've also received your ECFMG certification, MLE scores (the requirements for MLE scores differ from state to state; for eg., some states require you to have Step 3 scores in hand prior to applying so that you can directly apply for an H-1 visa, which is a better option) and acceptance into a residency program, you shouldn't have a problem in getting licensure (it's more of a formality.)

maximillian genossa
04-12-2010, 04:20 PM
Shrey, don't bother with him, he does not believe us because we are not Harvard grads.:decision:

I remember NeilC, he used to post here a lot.

Now that you mentioned the infamous California list, last week Arkansas reverted on their decison to use it, excellent news, and Texas modified their rules a few months ago asking for Board certification, not as much as were you went to school. So, there has been some progress, and we should thank the effort of AUA who sued the Medical Board of Arkansas and somehow managed to obtain this change.

Aviv

shrey
04-12-2010, 07:17 PM
Oh wow, I didn't know that. I guess it's bad for me lol coz I go to a CA-accredited school. Oh well, I guess I'm not too worried.

Btw, do you also go to med school in Europe?

medical inventor
04-12-2010, 07:36 PM
Yes, the licensing boards are responsible but these boards have no idea as to the quality of medical education obtained by the FMG. This is the reason why this job is compartmentalized between different organizations: ECFMG, FAIMER/IMED and so forth. The State boards assess the candidate based on his/her certification obtained by the ECFMG.

a) listed in the WHO list +
b) listed in the IMED/FAIMER list +
c) if it's CA-accredited +

If these 3 requirements are met, and you've also received your ECFMG certification, MLE scores (the requirements for MLE scores differ from state to state; for eg., some states require you to have Step 3 scores in hand prior to applying so that you can directly apply for an H-1 visa, which is a better option) and acceptance into a residency program, you shouldn't have a problem in getting licensure (it's more of a formality.)
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as long as you've fulfilled the other requirements.)

Well to be honest, you haven't given me any facts. You've only told me what the agent told you based on her experience. Do your research and you'll find out the facts for yourself. You don't need an agent to do that for you. If you want real facts, there are 2 doctors on this forum who have graduated from my university and are successfully working in the US:
1) NC - a board-CERTIFIED physician (ObyGyn) working in the US
2) DK - graduated last year and currently doing research in Kentucky (although he did receive his ECFMG certification and licensure.)

Dr. C actually visited Prague last year for presenting a seminar on "Getting into a residency and becoming board-certified to practice in the US"

I think I've given you enough facts. But you can still check the link posted by the previous poster. It lists out all the different state medical boards and eligibility requirements imposed by them. If you're looking into attending a foreign medical school, your primary concern should be whether the school is:

etc etc

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Hi Shrey
Thanks much for your comprehensive reply. I will jump right in and then relate what sources of information I have been uncovering.
OK - What state is NC in? I would like to confirm him in the NOAH database, if possible. Same for DK, though I understand from what you said that he does not have licensure? How many US-applicant fmg's does Charles (your school?) emit each year? I understand you have limited resources to research this, but you must understand I am not conclusively impressed by a population of one! He might be a brother of the senator from that state! No seriously, any competent statistician will talk like this to you, and I am trying to get some simple certainty on this issue. This clarification can help you.
Overall, I feel your answer uts way too much faith in the rationalism of the state governments. You seem to think the task of licensure is "compartmentalized" among the various agencies in a sensible, functional fashion. For example, I checked the California list twenty years ago, and they had listed, among scads of schools in India and China, the "Sadam Hussein School of Medicine" in Baghdad! I kid you not! Now maybe that list has been reformed (which I doubt), but the nature of the list suggests strongly to me that it is at best a necessary, but not sufficient, requirement for your school. That is, if your school is not there they can reject it, but inclusion means little. (Many of the Indian schools listed would not make it.) Look, don't naively over-estimate the intelligence and consistency of politicians on state licensing boards. And as far as licensing being a formality after you have done your residency and other requirements, I would not assume that at all, and some evidence I have seen so far belies that. For example, one poster I read emailed the state licensing boards and found that, even though he could do residency in the state, the boards stated they would not license him! Needless to say, he was flummoxed by this finding, but at least it re-affirms for me the factual and evident actions of the licensing boards as being the only thing that can be trusted to determine the licensability of the fmg's from various schools.
My evidence from the recruiter has been criticized as "hearsay." Not quite. This person has represented a number of fmgs to state licensing boards and so has direct experience dealing with them. Her experience is of the type known as "mundane," rather than theoretical. No, I do not take it as conclusive, but neither do I dismiss it. For example, if your wife comes to you and says she smells gas in the cellar, do you dismiss it as "hearsay?" Of course not. OK, on to my activities today.
Today I contacted a number of organizations with the purpose of getting statistical information about the ACTUAL licensure from various foreign med schools. I contacted 3 research med schools, the academy of medicine, several agencies who created the NOAH database used in NYS to publicly research docs, and the AMA. The AMA has IMG committees in about 12 states that advise the licensure boards - have you had enough of bureaucracies yet? What I found so far is that the AMA has the data and probably so does the NYS people. If I can get my hands on it, it may be quite revealing.
ANd as I pointed out earlier, some of this effort would be obviated if the schools published lists of licensed grads. And why not? It's public information. To my mind, it's suspicious that they don't, since it's strongly in their interest to do so.
So in sum, I'd like to see at least a few licensed grads - hopefully more than 20. Secondly, I am reserved about your explanation of licensure as a simple formality. Yes, it should be so, logically. But have you ever dealt with government bureaucracies? Athough I don't take the recruiter's opiunion as definitive, her statement that she doesn't see schools other than Debrecen from eastern europe getting licensure. She didn't seem like a bullsh---er to me. What I have to conclude from this is "It is inconclusive. More info needed." If you give me NC's state, I will check with him.
Finally, I will press forward trying to get some definitive data. I'm just interested in a good answer here, and am not necessarily gratuitously pessimistic about any school's chances, unless I see no licensed grads in evidence. I will email Charles english and ask them about licensed grads. Hey, every business is judged by their product, and Charles's exact product is licensed grads, right? And what's wrong with asking about a firm's product before you pay an exorbitant price for it in time and money? What's all the gnashing of teeth about anyway?

maximillian genossa
04-13-2010, 08:24 AM
No you should not worry, as I said, medical licensing is not rocket science as some people try to portray it or try to pretend they discovered gun powder when it already exists. No biggie there, seen this since 1991, never impressed me, never will. Good luck!


Oh wow, I didn't know that. I guess it's bad for me lol coz I go to a CA-accredited school. Oh well, I guess I'm not too worried.

Btw, do you also go to med school in Europe?

shrey
04-13-2010, 09:47 AM
To Medical inventor:

I'm sorry I actually misspelled his last name. It's N C and he is a licensed Obstetrician & Gynecologist in the state of Virginia:

Dr. NC (Obstetrician & Gynecologist) - Doctor in Roanoke, VA - Obstetrics & Gynecology (http://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Neil_Correia.html) (this link also clearly states that he graduated from Charles University, Prague)

You can also perhaps look him up in the database.

I was just browsing a few other grads from Charles Univ. and I came across a few of them:

Dr. BD, a Board-certified Family practitioner (Regional Medical Center, Manchester, IA - (http://www.regmedctr.org/page.php?id=46&title=Medical_Staff#))

Dr. PB, a board-certified internist (and also a pulmonologist) - Dr. Bezdicik of Goshen Medical Associates (http://goshenmedical.com/DrBezdicek.htm)

Dr. JK, a board-certified pediatrician from Illinois (Medical Staff (http://www.kishhospital.org/medical_staff/Find_By_Specialty.aspx))

There are tons and tons of other grads but I don't have enough time to look them up. The problem with many Central European schools is that they don't keep a track of their medical graduates (there are a few exceptions, as with the 4 year programs in Poland)

I assume you already have a Bachelor's degree, in which case you should consider attending one of the 4 year Polish medical programs (all CA-approved) or the 4 year medical medical program in Croatia (not CA-approved) which cater to American and Canadian college students. This suggestion only applies if you're looking at med schools in Europe. These universities also have affiliations with medical schools in the US and they also offer electives in the US medical schools. Some (actually I think only Poznan U. does this) also give out NBME tests (which are used in the US medical schools, the so-called "shelf exams") to prepare you for the MLE. You can look all this stuff up on their websites.

Charles University doesn't arrange for any electives with it's partner institutes in the US (and elsewhere) but they do allow students to do their electives in any country. Dr. Neil Correia as a matter of fact did a lot of his electives and rotations in the US. He used to be very active on this forum (you can check the previous threads) but I guess he's quite busy now. He also runs a company that helps FMGs/IMGs (USIMGs) as well as AMGs get into the US (by helping them with MLEs, ECFMG certification, and electives/externships/observerships.)

We are having another Charles University graduate give us a seminar on residency and board-certification here at our faculty on the 14th of April. I don't know his name, but after I attend it, I'll give it to you and you can look him up under that database you mentioned.

And yes, Aviv couldn't have said it better. "Medical licensing is NOT rocket science." Yes it's hard to get certified in some states like Florida, California, Texas and perhaps NM (although Aviv tells me that NM is no longer following the California list, so I don't know if that would make things easier.)

Secondly, if you observe all the requirements imposed by each of these medical boards (CHART OF LICENSING REQUIREMENTS FOR PHYSICIANS BY STATE (http://www.visalaw.com/h02mar/12hmar102.html)), you will notice that almost every board mentions that international medical graduates need ECFMG certification, TOEFL scores, and some sort of post-graduate training (AKA residency.) Will you definitely get certified if you have all these requirements? I can't answer that but in many cases, yes (unless you have some sort of a medico-legal/crime record.) Lastly, some states in general are quite tough to get into for foreign medical graduates...that's just a fact (which is why you see a lot of FMGs/USIMGs flocking together in the IMG friendly states like New York, Maryland and New Jersey.)

If you're very concerned about this licensure procedure, it's best to actually attend an American medical school. The purpose of these english programs in Europe is to give you a sound medical education that will make you a competent doctor (as long as you do your part). They don't care whether you want to go to the US or Greenland (however, this is gradually changing and they are trying their best to cater to the needs of students from North America.) Most of the graduates from the Central European medical schools (with the exception of the 4 year medical program) are either British (who usually end up going back to UK), Malaysians (sponsored by their govt. and they have to return back once they're done), Greeks/Cypriots, and finally Scandinavians (who also end up going back to their country). The 4 year programs in Europe from what I've heard, are very very rigorous and they have a good reputation (this is not the case with all the Carribean schools as most US doctors/physicians directly presume Carribean schools as an alternative for those who didn't make it to a med school in the US.)

maximillian genossa
04-13-2010, 10:32 AM
Arkansas, not NM, Arkansas does not follow the California list anymore, NM does...and yes, I reiterate myself, liceinsing is not rocket science;);)

Not being familiar with it and trying to complicate it or make it look complicated in order to pursue G-d know what agenda against IMG's or FMG's is another thing. Such people will not be the first nor the last I encounter since the 1995. That's is what residency training and board certification is for...to prove your level of competence.

Thanks Shrey!

maximillian genossa
04-13-2010, 10:44 AM
Be aware, posting of personal names and inforation in this website is against VALUEM MD Terms of service, so I recommend all who have done so to edit your posts before a moderator has to. I know it is not my duty, but just a reminder.

medical inventor
04-13-2010, 12:06 PM
Dear Aviv,
I just looked at the terms of service, and the way I read it, the site restricts confidential and private information about third parties being posted on the site. This makes sense.
However, the names of medical doctors is PUBLIC information, because for the public's protection they need to know who is medically treating them and their education. Doctors must agree to this partial lack of privacy as a condition of licensure. Consequently, posting or displaying this information does not violate any privacy issues.
Thank you.

maximillian genossa
04-13-2010, 12:07 PM
That has been discussed before, and the rule prevails, argue that with the moderator's, not me, let see what happens. They even make us edit the name of the President of USA, it is not your website nor mine, they make the rules they can enforce them at will, and interpret it at will, if I were you, I would not bet money on that...enough said on my part.;)

Just for reference, check this explanation out, and if you want to have a chat with doc about it, I am sure you will not be the first one who has tried...

http://www.valuemd.com/suggestion-box-technical-support/186317-posting-proper-names-official-celebrities.html

http://www.valuemd.com/relaxing-lounge/186296-regarding-posting-proper-names.html




Dear Aviv,
I just looked at the Terms of Service (http://www.valuemd.com/disclaimer.php), and the way I read it, the site restricts confidential and private information about third parties being posted on the site. This makes sense.
However, the names of medical doctors is PUBLIC information, because for the public's protection they need to know who is medically treating them and their education. Doctors must agree to this partial lack of privacy as a condition of licensure. Consequently, posting or displaying this information does not violate any privacy issues.
Thank you.

medical inventor
04-13-2010, 08:42 PM
I just saw that the percentage of img's who get into U.S. residency is around 45%, according to the ECFMG journal. That's pretty good, but it doesn't break it out by school, but probably weeds out the dead-heads and low quality schools. I would definitely not want to be casual and take for granted that I wouldn't end up in the 55%. Bystanders who give advice in this forum who are not trying to get in a program have no skin in the game and therefore are just kibbitzers, not players. Frankly, it's like you are trying to be a tennis star, and some guy is standing on the side of the court with a beer belly and cigarette, telling you how to practice! :D:doh: The point is to take your school and performance seriously. Don't be a 55% donkey. I ran across a Dr. F who prepares your residency application and coaches you for the interview. It costs around $600 and worth every penny. She is a practicing physician and was on the admissions committee at Harvard. Seek out quality advice of this sort, not just anyone on a bulletin board, including me. (Hey, is that a paradox? Not really, go get your own quality advice.)

maximillian genossa
04-14-2010, 05:02 AM
Yes, we have been saying that since 2003 in this website, thanks for the reminder.;)

Study your rear off , get your GPA VERY HIGH, do volunteer work, ace your MCAT apply to as many US M.D. programs and D.O. programs as you can, if that doesn't work then go the FMG route to a school with a good track record. You will see that repeated hundreds of times in VMD.

Most members in this website are either medical students, residents, faculty or ex-faculty, school employees or are already in practice. I assume your comment..."Bystanders who give advice in this forum who are not trying to get in a program have no skin in the game and therefore are just kibbitzers, not players" is making reference about yourself, correct? I mean your statement that only SGU and Ross were the only routes to licensing and that ACGME regulates licensing gave us a good chuckle.

Thanks anyway.

Aviv

shrey
04-14-2010, 05:24 AM
I just saw that the percentage of img's who get into U.S. residency is around 45%, according to the ECFMG journal. That's pretty good, but it doesn't break it out by school, but probably weeds out the dead-heads and low quality schools. I would definitely not want to be casual and take for granted that I wouldn't end up in the 55%. Bystanders who give advice in this forum who are not trying to get in a program have no skin in the game and therefore are just kibbitzers, not players. Frankly, it's like you are trying to be a tennis star, and some guy is standing on the side of the court with a beer belly and cigarette, telling you how to practice! :D:doh: The point is to take your school and performance seriously. Don't be a 55% donkey. I ran across a Dr. Finkel who prepares your residency application and coaches you for the interview. It costs around $600 and worth every penny. She is a practicing physician and was on the admissions committee at Harvard. Seek out quality advice of this sort, not just anyone on a bulletin board, including me. (Hey, is that a paradox? Not really, go get your own quality advice.)

You first need to understand that residency programs DO NOT care as to which school you graduated from (unless it's a well-known one --these are
"usually" the ones in Australia, UK, and Western Europe.) Secondly, the residency program directors approach each candidate individually. They do have some cut-off lines for the USMLE Step scores (some programs have high cut-off lines.) Lastly, once you make this cut, then the program directors mainly look into other aspects like US clinical experience (externships, electives/rotations, observerships/preceptorships etc.) which may be farm more important, and they also look if the candidate was involved in research of some sort (in the more competitive programs, this is actually less of a norm.)

So it's basically an individual thing. The interview is just the final part and once you've been invited to a residency program, you have a high chance of getting in (considering you got this far.) The point is to actually take your performance seriously. Yes choosing a school matters too but only so that you feel you will be able to perform better in that sort of an environment.


Bottom line, choose your school based on where you want to end up working and try your best to get as much clinical experience in that country as you can (in addition to getting high scores on the licensure exams.) Having research always helps (especially in countries like US, UK, Aus/NZ and Western Europe)














































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