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simplysweet786
03-05-2010, 11:29 PM
Dear readers,
I want an HONEST opinion on how you think the school is. I have been hearing a lot of bad things about it, but I want an honest opinion. I don't expect you to write a long paragraph, although details would be nice :), but I just need to know how the lifestyle in Europe is and how the school operates in general. Thank you. You're honesty is much appreciated.

Sincerely,
Distressed future student

Elssha
03-06-2010, 10:24 AM
Hope Medical Institute isn't a school.
It's basically an agent; a few people renting out office and taking calls. You don't get a degree from hope but the schools affiliated with it.
Few people will have good words to say about an organization that basically doubles your tuition cost and provides little to no visible service. Its main function (beyond getting you to go there and pay them, is to lobby med boards to certify its schools (why Lublin has CA certification), and arrange for US rotations to be available to students. Sounds big, but technically it's the schools who meet med board requirements, and students who do well enough on the USMLE to get said rotations (though yes, both 'perks' are reasons why I went to the school I'm currently attending). Still, that $4,000 check every semester feels unreasonable when your actual education only charges $7,000 (not counting HMI's $10,000 seating fee and other misc stuff you pay them for).
And before you ask, yes, you HAVE TO use HMI if you (as a US/Canadian citizen ) want to attend schools affiliated with HMI. Even with all that extra $ the final cost is about half of what you'd pay at a US school.
If you want intel on the actual schools, i suggest you ask on their individual forums.

simplysweet786
03-06-2010, 11:04 AM
Thank you so much! How is the atmosphere in Poland? Do they access to a lot of places nearby?

Elssha
03-06-2010, 12:03 PM
It's cold and snowing; winter is being stubborn about letting spring come and stay.
I'm not sure what you mean by the rest of it.
Also, conditions (equipment, class size, facilities, etc) vary by school, if that's what you were asking.
AGAIN, HMI isn't a school.

samsonMD
03-08-2010, 01:05 AM
Hi Elssha and to the rest of the world who keeps bashing on HMI so much.....I havent been on ValueMD in a long time but I thought it would be nice to share my thoughts......

Elssha, you seem to have a lot of time on your hands ........as just doing a search on HMI brings up your name a lot..... I dont know why you and some others keep talking negatively about HMI when you yourself attend one of there schools. Seriously, get your act together and get your education over with. Obviously you chose HMI for some reason and I'm sure they must have been good and thats why you chose to go to HMI.
I don't support HMI about everything...but I have more positives than negatives about them. You keep refering to them as an agent or something....i felt the same somewhat when i first joined the program but the authorities in Poland made it clear to me that HMI is there admissions and administrative office in the US for US & Canadian Students.....in collaboration of a few schools in Poland....its just that the office had to be registered here in the US so it was named Hope Medical Institute as it represents a few schools and could not choose one schools name over the other.....so they are not agents......and FYI they are not just renting a building taking calls......I had the opportunity to visit the HMI office a few days ago as I wanted to make sure that everything was in order for me to graduate in a few weeks. I was just panicky about residency and getting everything in time..but they had everything in order for me. Hope Medical Institute is a in a beautiful office building that they own in a medical district in Newport News, Virginia...really down to earth staff.......the employees there are working head and toes for the students....try visiting them if any of you get a chance....you'll understand what i mean .......the weather was great.....i heard the summers are busy down there cuz of Virginia Beach....would love to go back when its much warmer.

Just a little about myself....i joined Hope Medical Institute a few years ago because I had a dream of becoming a Physician.....wanted to get into a MD program in the US but couldn't because of the high demands....I had a really good GPA and decent MCAT scores but was put on the wait list at several universities. I didn't want to wait.....Hope Medical Institute gave me a chance to go to Medical School. I got admission to few DO (osteopathic medical schools) but i didnt want to do DO ...i was determined to do MD as a I had many in the family who were MD's....i think it was a pride issue.....many say DO is like a step below MD....so I had to become an MD.

Today, because Hope Medical Institute (HMI) gave me a chance, I will be graduating from Medical School this spring. I studied my butt off and I got an 89 on step 1, got a 96 on step 2 and I passed step 2 CS all on the 1st chances... I for sure will be thankful to HMI for the rest of my life for giving me HOPE and a chance to fulfill my dreams. I PREMATCHED in several residency programs and turned down several of them and have finally accepted one of the offers. I'm not trying to boast about myself....but wanted to make it clear that it was because of HMI and Poland that I achieved all this. I have several friends who also Prematched in residency programs and have accepted offers now.

You have to be determined whereever you goto medical school. It aint a joke. But lot of kids goto med school thinking the opposite. I know many kids who went to Poland who are simply wasting there time and money partying and doing whatevers in Poland. I partied a little bit during school but not crazy though....Seriously, if you are focused and determined you will be fine ... just like me, some of my friends and all the past graduates who have also guided me along the way.

Now about costs, Yeah HMI charges fees as well, but thats all part of the tuition....it's just that a portion has to be given to the university in Poland and another small portion to the HMI office here in the US. I thank God for helping me make the choice of going to HMI cuz if you think about it if i did go to a US med School I would have been paying atleast $50,000 or more in tuition each year......I would have been in debt for the rest of my life....

However, HMI's tuition was only at about $21,000 per year for the first 2 years of basic sciences and about $35,000 per year to do the last 2 years of rotations in the US. SO WHAT if they had an administrative fee in the beginning......everything added all together still comes no where near what I would have had to pay if i went to a US medical school. This is another thing I must Thank HMI for.

I did my rotations starting in NY. I did them in a few other states and then Illinois and continued most of my rotations in Illinois. My learning experience in Illinois was great while doing rotations. I heard that HMI has many other locations now to offer as well.

Every school has there ups and downs...HMI and there schools in Poland are not perfect but they are great...There is no school out there that one can't complain about.........don't keep picking at the negatives...if you are going to Poland through HMI with one goal which is to pass and get that diploma, you will graduate and pass your boards with no problem....you have to spend a lot of time learning and reading on your own on top of what they teach you in class.....don't expect to get spoon fed like we did during high school and undergrad.

I heard last year that one of HMI's students was 1 of 14 foreign medical graduates who was accepted into that particular SPECIALTY in the entire United States (one of the hardest specialties to get into)....which is amazing.

I had about 40 residency interviews including an IVY league interview. Some of the program directors already knew of HMI and the Polish School system. Many had good things to say about them. Just some advice to all of you. Most program directors wanted to talk about the research that I did while I was in Poland and the research I did while I was in the US. I had some publications and few posters etc.. which were published. HMI was the one that pushed me and some others to do research while in school. I had attended some scientific meetings in Europe while in Poland and attended many presentations here in the US with the head of our group while I was doing rotations in the US... So again make sure you try to enroll in research wherever possible. But then again some of my friends who had no research also prematched but only had about 15 interviews. Program Directors are looking at USMLE scores, how many times you took them, the school you came from and if you did research. I dont think there are any students of HMI that could not get into a residency program after they had passed the USMLE's.

Anyways, I really needed to let this all out especially when some of you were talking down about HMI......They are not perfect....but they have everything to offer now when considering going to a foreign medical school
- California and New York Approval, you can basically practice anywhere in the US
- Federal Loans (US financial aid, stafford etc...)
- low cost compared to many other schools
- research while in school
- rotations in poland, and many locations in the US


I wish you guys all the best and luck with your future. HMI was the best choice I ever made.....with no doubt, I would so do it over if I had to.....I kinda miss Poland.....I hope I get to visit there again soon......

Once again I would like to THANKS Hope Medical Institute ( HMI ) and the Medical University for all there efforts.....I would love to name a few key people but I don't think I should name people on the forum.....good luck to all and hope to meet you on the floor some day.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Elssha
03-09-2010, 02:32 AM
First off, I don't think my post about HMI was particularly bashing... nor were most of my other posts. Frankly, that you looked at my post history signifies you have far more time than I... not to mention the fact that you saw it necessary to not only post this here, but on the MUL forum as well. Frankly, you sound like an agent... if the "I had a dream of becoming a Physician" wasn't obvious enough, the thing about someone being one in 14 people to match to some (unnamed) specialty and the insistance you had great scores, just didn't want to wait definitely outs you. I, unlike you, don't have time to check your post history, but I'm quite sure I'd find all your posts being some form of the story above, ALL glorifying HMI and so on. Oh, and forgive me... a NICE office. -__-; probably because they charge so much. And your comment of people coming here not ready to do what's needed... Isn't that part of the admission process? Maybe even (gasp!) the fault of HMI admitting (nearly) anyone, even people not fully prepared to go to medical school? Your argument that I must have liked HMI to go here is invalid. I wanted to go to MUL, thust MUST deal with HMI; I didn't pick HMI and decide that of their schools, i wanted to go to MUL. I don't particularly care for HMI one way or the other. They are an agent (people who get you here, have a contract with the school saying students CANNOT apply directly from the US, take $ every semester, etc), I already said they DO have up sides, but don't try to glorify them as if without them their schools would bankrupt. Just my $0.02

samsonMD
03-10-2010, 01:32 AM
Hi Elssha.....I am sorry if i came off wrong with you....when i wrote that it was late night and when i meant people bashing on HMI i didnt mean you entirely....i know you have been kinda neutral with things even after reading further posts.....so sorry about that, however you seem to have issues with the costs

first off please don't refer to me as an agent or representing HMI....i was being honest about my experience....and because i was favoring HMI should not automatically make me there agent....so quit that

i posted the same on different threads because i wanted the students to know my experience from all ends....if they needed help they could have asked while i do have some time before residency

yes I do have a lot of time now....as I am pretty much done with everything....no more step 1, step 2ck or CS to worry about...and I just signed my agreement for residency.....but i don't need to explain all that ......but your in school now so my suggestion to you is to stay focused

Im not sure what you meant as to my comment to the "I had a dream of becoming a Physician" which is a fact as many people discouraged me to going into medicine especially since i had so many family members in the same field....but i was also determined to do it....so yes it was my dream

I didnt name the person and the specialty of the 1 out of 14 as i dont think it would be appropriate to name people on the forum....i woundn't want my name circulating on here would you.....but you can check out HMI's residency list to find out who got what......

As for my comments about people coming to Poland and not doing whats needed.....i dont think that has anything to do with the admissions process..do you?...cuz i know students during my time that came to poland that were brilliant students but got into other unwanted business when they got to Poland and pretty much wasted there time and money....im sure you know what i am talkin about....so i dont think u can judge the admissions for that.....they have no control over it......

as for HMI ...yes i will take pride in going through HMI because they created this program.....this program never existed for the americans before HMI was started.....so who am i supposed to owe for this.....who knows if i would have ever got admissions in the US.....probably would have still been on the waiting list.....like i said i dont agree with everything they do but i must say i have to appreciate there efforts atleast in my education....i cant talk for you....but maybe you will feel the same some day when you are in my shoes and done with everything.....i wish you all the best .

however i see that your biggest complaint is about the money that is charged by HMI. Its is still cheaper than most upper end schools. My question is if you wanted a cheaper education why didnt you go elsewhere? There must have been good things about the program which brought you to HMI. Again this program to my understanding was created by HMI and HMI was created as the admissions office for both universities....yes there is no way out of the extra fees.....i had to pay it....at first i felt the same as you but then when you do the math it was still better off then St. George or Ross or any other foreign school.....so i looked into all this before joining HMI
hope all this makes sense

simplysweet786
03-11-2010, 03:15 PM
I am soooo confused.
Can't anyone juts be honest?

realPolak
03-11-2010, 09:01 PM
I am soooo confused.
Can't anyone juts be honest?

Kwestionowanie szczerosci Elshy mozna nazwac osczerstwem.

Elssha
03-12-2010, 03:01 AM
simply;
What you must know is that HMI is NOT a school. You can't attend HMI. Find a school you're interested in and THEN worry if you apply through HMI or not. The perks HMI offers are mentioned with the schools.

Also, as a general life principle, it's not good to trust everything you read without a grain of salt (at least). Nearly everyone has an agenda to some degree or another and different people have different (good and bad) experiences that influence the way they see something.
This is doubly true on forums like this where you can't even tell if a person is who s/he is claming to be. If someone is too pushy one way or another, it IS worth checking their post history. There ARE people who do nothing BUT insist X is the greatest there is, etc ect and that everything else is bad... usually part of the organization that they're praising (they also tend to have few posts to their name). There are also people who screwed up in school and will blame anything and everything to NOT take the blame.

realPolak
03-12-2010, 06:16 PM
Kraje Afryki zachodniej importuja wyroby czekoladowe z Europy zachodniej. Czekolada, w postaci kakaa (odm. kakao; przyznaje, jest to dziwolag gramatyczny), rosnie na drzewach kakaowych wlasnie w Afryce zachodniej; mimo to najwieksze zyski czerpia firmy europejskie produkujace czekolade, itd., miedzy innymi poprzez eksport czekolady do Afryki.
Podobnie tutaj: po co Polacy mieszkajacy w Ameryce polnocnej maja oplacac niepolskich posrednikow po to by dostac sie do polskiej szkoly medycznej? Czy polskie szkoly medyczne to jakies przedsiebiorstwa importu zewnetrznego, w ktorym importerem i glownym zyskobiorca jest cwany niepolski posrednik?

ali20635
06-30-2010, 11:48 PM
HMI is run by gujrathis indians...they are cheap people and want your money...

drlily
07-28-2010, 09:50 AM
@ simply sweet---go to a school in the states, you will most likely get better financial aid, be less in debt in the long run and on top will have a US degree to fall back on rather then nothing, HMI is a money hungry organization. Had I done research sooner I wouldve chosen a caribbean school (they have more hospitals and are more friendlier with the us rotation programs) the students at HMI majority were there b/c there parents made them go there and are straight out of HS with no college experience. the program gets very expensive as you move on and they will ask and keep begging you for money for every last minute thing. The office staff in the school is not very nice, they will be picky with the students and the staff at the office is not either. It will take them so much time to do simple paperwork and they complain about it as well not realizing larger universities function perfectly fine with lots of students. in conclusion, as nice as it maybe thats its a european school and all---you end up paying more, you basically are on a self taught basis for all the subjects and then end up having to take kaplan for everything at the end, you end up with only rotations in ny(which are horrible and losing green book) and illinois which is decent. they do not have so many hospitals as they advertise, they don't have canada either and the canadian students are super pissed off.
GO TO A AMERICAN COLLEGE DO NOT MISS OUT ON THAT CHANCE YOU ARE BETTER OFF

mdphd1960
12-24-2011, 02:11 PM
I chose the MUS and HMI because I couldn"t afford the other offshore schools, especially Ross and SGU. I passed all boards 1st attempt so I can't complain.

DrHokie.
12-25-2011, 03:29 AM
I chose MUL and HMI because I wanted the stability of an E.U. M.D. as well as the same clinical's as Ross or better in the USA. I am very happy with my decision because MUL has given me the tools, and more importantly the time, to take Step 1 when I was absolutely ready for it. I am prepping for step 2 now, and scheduling my clinicals with HMI has been as flexible as one could ask for. I also chose MUL and HMI because I live about an hour away from the HMI office in VA, and I personally know exactly who handles my scheduling and financial aid.

What prospective students and others must understand, is that the service that this recruiting agency provides is one of scheduling and maintenance of Clinical Rotation Spots in the United States. From a logistical standpoint, it is too cumbersome to maintain about 5 different hospital system affiliations from Europe. Especially Eastern Europe. Some argue that "you can schedule it yourself". That is Bull. I challenge anyone to schedule 72 credit hours of clinical rotations in the US on their own.

I am willing to go out on a ledge and say that it is IMPOSSIBLE to schedule all of your clinical's independently.


By the time I am finished, I will have earned a very respectable Step 1 score, hopefully a comparable Step 2CK score, and at least 2 awesome letters of recommendations. One from the Surgery chairman of a Cornell affiliated hospital, and one from my subinternship at SUNY Buffalo. I also will have another IM letter from my IM core at WHMC.

All in all, there isn't much more that I could ask for.

Oh yeah and also, its cheaper than most of the Caribbean schools. (remember that the Caribbean schools pay tuition 3 times a year even though tuition is "per semester") I've been meaning to post a detailed cost comparison, but I havent had the time. ----hopefully soon.

For more detailed info, read the Compilation thread in the Lublin forum.

Ifollowsunni
08-24-2013, 03:58 PM
Hello, I'm really on the edge of going to this school I just need one final push. Is HMI better than the big four in the carribean? What are the benefits over the big four? Can you tell me anything at all to inspire me in coming to MU of Lublin or Selisia please... If you can email at travelingv at gmail it'd be greatly appreciated !

Ifollowsunni
08-24-2013, 04:01 PM
Hello did you end up attending HMI,? If so can you PLEASEA email me at travelingv at gmail

Bubkas1
08-24-2013, 07:14 PM
First time pass rate on the USMLE Step One

Ifollowsunni
08-24-2013, 11:54 PM
According to who?as far as I know, they must have higher then a 75% pass right to remain eligible and recognized in the state of Cali. I was told by the director they have a 89% USMLE pass rate?


First time pass rate on the USMLE Step One is 8%.

medice
08-31-2013, 03:39 PM
Go to a decent school, why would you look at Lublin. There are better schools in Poland.

Summersmith
10-07-2014, 09:33 AM
One thing is true. They accept EVERYONE whether they are ready for medical school or not. They accept high schoolers who know nothing about the world and they are thrown into completely foreign environments and forced to perform at the level of completed undergraduate students. My friend graduated at the top in her high school and we all thought this girl is going to do great things, only to find out she ruined her future by going here. Go the regular route. You will be prepared for the tough road that is medical school. In the states, after your 2 year of medical school, 92% of student pass their step 1 within six weeks. Here not even 1% pass on this scale. After all of my research, the earliest time frame I found for passing their Step 1 through hope was December (that's six months from completing your second year as opposed to six weeks). Most take about a year to successfully pass (and most meaning the 'good' students....which is about 20% of the class).

This is a good route for graduate students who have a lot of money who can self teach. Also, a great program if you have good connections in the US. Think hard before you make this decision.

Summersmith
10-07-2014, 09:38 AM
I heard a couple years back, they accepted a Miss Florida pageant contestant with no science background whatsoever. In fact her platform included her plans to go to Law School. She was accepted to the 1st of 6 program and somehow, by the end of the first year, she was admitted as a 1st of 4 medical student!! Can you believe it!?!? I still think it's heresy but wow....no science background...that kind of says it all.

kaptanofc
04-24-2015, 11:40 AM
wouwwthank you for knowledges, it is a right a novel :)

kaptanofc
04-24-2015, 11:41 AM
Hi Elssha.....I am sorry if i came off wrong with you....when i wrote that it was late night and when i meant people bashing on HMI i didnt mean you entirely....i know you have been kinda neutral with things even after reading further posts.....so sorry about that, however you seem to have issues with the costs

first off please don't refer to me as an agent or representing HMI....i was being honest about my experience....and because i was favoring HMI should not automatically make me there agent....so quit that

i posted the same on different threads because i wanted the students to know my experience from all ends....if they needed help they could have asked while i do have some time before residency

yes I do have a lot of time now....as I am pretty much done with everything....no more step 1, step 2ck or CS to worry about...and I just signed my agreement for residency.....but i don't need to explain all that ......but your in school now so my suggestion to you is to stay focused

Im not sure what you meant as to my comment to the "I had a dream of becoming a Physician" which is a fact as many people discouraged me to going into medicine especially since i had so many family members in the same field....but i was also determined to do it....so yes it was my dream

I didnt name the person and the specialty of the 1 out of 14 as i dont think it would be appropriate to name people on the forum....i woundn't want my name circulating on here would you.....but you can check out HMI's residency list to find out who got what......

As for my comments about people coming to Poland and not doing whats needed.....i dont think that has anything to do with the admissions process..do you?...cuz i know students during my time that came to poland that were brilliant students but got into other unwanted business when they got to Poland and pretty much wasted there time and money....im sure you know what i am talkin about....so i dont think u can judge the admissions for that.....they have no control over it......

as for HMI ...yes i will take pride in going through HMI because they created this program.....this program never existed for the americans before HMI was started.....so who am i supposed to owe for this.....who knows if i would have ever got admissions in the US.....probably would have still been on the waiting list.....like i said i dont agree with everything they do but i must say i have to appreciate there efforts atleast in my education....i cant talk for you....but maybe you will feel the same some day when you are in my shoes and done with everything.....i wish you all the best .

however i see that your biggest complaint is about the money that is charged by HMI. Its is still cheaper than most upper end schools. My question is if you wanted a cheaper education why didnt you go elsewhere? There must have been good things about the program which brought you to HMI. Again this program to my understanding was created by HMI and HMI was created as the admissions office for both universities....yes there is no way out of the extra fees.....i had to pay it....at first i felt the same as you but then when you do the math it was still better off then St. George or Ross or any other foreign school.....so i looked into all this before joining HMI
hope all this makes sense

wouw it is like novel, thank you so much ))

HopefulDoc2010
05-03-2015, 09:11 AM
Ok, here it goes. I attend the Medical University of Lublin. I am completing the second of my fourth year right now. Honestly, this school is fine. The coursework is the same as at any other school. Those who enter the 6 year program do so because they have not completed the requisite premedical coursework to enter the 4 year program. In Europe and much of the rest of the world, it is standard to have a 6 year curriculum, instead of the 2 years or premed coursework followed by a 4 year medical curriculum that we have in the States. As far as any 18 year olds entering the six year program and failing out, well, how is that the school's fault? If a person isn't ready or mature enough to enter into a fairly rigorous program, that isn't anyone's fault but he student. The teaching is pretty good, the facilities are fine - better in fact than at many U.S. Schools. There are a lot of useless pointless courses that are required, such as Sociology, Psychology, etc., but they really aren't hard and everyone gets through them. There are research opportunities here as well. I am currently working on two. As far as the USMLE pass rate goes, I'm not sure what it is, but, I do know that the school has to have something like a 75% pass rate to maintain student loan eligibility, which it has. The USMLE is a very difficult exam and passing it requires intensive studying for two or three months. Put in the time, do the practice questions and you should pass. What this school does NOT have a lot of is people failing out. I would say that it is on a par with US medical schools in that regard. If you put in the time and effort, you will learn and you will pass. Obviously, if you have a opportunity to go to a U.S. or Canadian school you won't be looking here, but, I would DEFINITELY come here before going to any of the Caribbean schools, including St. George. I have no regrets about my choice to come here. Feel free to PM me. Also, I do not work for HMI or the school. Again, feel free to PM with any questions.

devildoc8404
05-03-2015, 11:36 AM
What this school does NOT have a lot of is people failing out. I would say that it is on a par with US medical schools in that regard. If you put in the time and effort, you will learn and you will pass.

What? The two have nothing remotely in common.

English-language medical school programs in E-EU tend not to have a high drop-out rate because they want to milk 4 or 6 years of tuition out of every single breathing applicant. As has been stated here in this thread more than once, HMI has much lower admissions requirements than US medical schools. It is their business model, and it maximizes profits, but it does NOT (necessarily) create competent physicians at graduation.

Medical schools in the US tend not to have a high drop-out rate largely because of extremely high admissions standards. Yes, it looks bad for US medical schools to fail out students, but it is rare indeed that someone gets accepted to US medical school without having some semblance of a clue. In the Bloc, it happens all the damn time.

Remember, "passing" is great... but it does not get you a residency position in the States. "Matching" is what matters, if you want to work in the US.

Additionally, I am not sure which US medical schools you have visited that have worse facilities and teaching than the HMI affiliates, but I find that assertion extremely surprising.

I have no problem with people going to HMI if they are able to thoroughly vet the program and the universities and make an educated decision, but digitally whitewashing the HMI organization doesn't do anyone any favors (with the obvious exception of HMI, of course).

HopefulDoc2010
05-04-2015, 12:14 AM
DevilDoc - what I was saying, and which is perfectly clear from my comment, is that the Medical University of Lublin has a low drop out rate, which is comparable to what you would expect in the U.S. Regarding the facilities at MUL, yes, they are at least on par with what you will find at many U.S. Medical schools, and superior to some, such as one school I visited in NJ and one I visited in NYC.

If you've been to MUL, please tell me what is wrong with the campus facilities. I would like to know. Most of them are quite new and new ones are being built as we speak. The only building which is old is the one in which Path & Pharm is taught in - temporarily- a new building will be complete next year for those departments.

As far as "milking" students for tuition....whatever. If you don't learn anything here it's because you didn't open a book. If you study, you learn and you become a competent doctor. End of story. As far as the "extremely high" admission standards in U.S. Schools - let's be honest - they're extremely high if you can't benefit from affirmative action or your daddy doesn't know the dean. You would be amazed at some of the people who US med schools take.

As far as "digitally whitewashing HMI".....WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I'm a student at MUL and I have no interest in doing anything for or against HMI. All I am doing is setting the record straight as far as what MUL is truly like. In a nutshell, all anyone needs to know is this - the school is fine. If you study you pass and if you study for the USMLE, you pass and match. Period.

devildoc8404
05-05-2015, 07:35 AM
Based on the med schools I have visited in the US and E-EU (admittedly not MUL, so you have insights there that I do not), there is a lot of difference across the board. Naturally, there are outliers in both instances... and urban NY/NJ could certainly be on the low end for the US on that scale. (Then again, they offer US degrees and a higher match rate, so there is a trade off.) :)

I am not talking about you in particular, as far as whitewashing HMI goes, but you can see it all the time on VMD. There are two sides of the medical school equation -- especially when it comes to the E-EU -- and both sides need to be thoroughly reviewed for a potential student to make a good decision.

"If you study you pass and if you study for the USMLE, you pass and match. Period."

That is an exceptionally upbeat mindset to take, and I honestly hope that it works out for you. The ECFMG numbers say otherwise, of course, with regard to the "If you study for the USMLE, you pass and match. Period." bit. Unfortunately, I know plenty of people who studied for the USMLE and did not match. It happens quite a bit, actually. The people who unsuccessfully enter the match (which is like half of them) all passed the USMLE, or they would not be able to enter the process to begin with. It is a tough thing.

Again, I am not saying that you will not match, as you seem to have a good head on your shoulders with ample preparation. You certainly have a better shot than many other IMGs, based on having USCE and US letters... both of which speak in favor of the HMI program.

Good luck.

HopefulDoc2010
05-10-2015, 08:17 AM
Well, DevilDoc - you do have a point. There are a lot of iMGs who do not match. I think the most recent numbers from the NRMP are something like 52-54% match, or thereabouts. But, you have to take a few things into consideration - is it a U.S. Citizen IMG, or a foreigner? What is their level of English? What were their USMLE scores? Did they just barely pass? Did they fail previously? Certainly, it is easier for a U.S. Grad than an IMG, but, there are many factors. I think if you do reasonably well on the USMLE, and apply to a lot of programs, in reasonable specialties (IM, PEDS, Family Med., Psychiatry, Neurosurgery, etc.)....you stand a reasonable chance of matching. If you score a 205 on step 1 and are applying for Neurosurgery or CardioThoracic.....well, things might not look to good for you. Anyhow..,I see you are working on your PhD in Switzerland, so I'm sure you should have quite a few options opened to you. Best of luck.

devildoc8404
05-10-2015, 08:53 AM
You are exactly right. It is that whole "applying broadly and commensurate with one's overall quality as a medical student" thing that trips up a lot of applicants. People with a ton of red flags really put themselves in a tough spot, and the citizenship/Green Card issue is (of course) huge. Cultural and linguistic issues can also play a role when it comes to interviewing.

Absolutely, US citizen applicants without red flags, with decent USMLE scores, with letters from USCE, and an intelligent application stratagem will tend to match at a decent rate. Far too few people fit that mold, for whatever reason. (Although there was the recent report here on VMD of an applicant to Radiology who matched with substandard scores, but s/he applied more broadly than just Rads and also had a passel of other great credentials).

I am actually in residency in Switzerland and battling mightily to keep my PhD dissertation afloat. :) I went into med school thinking that I wanted to train in the US, and planned for that option, but got a better offer here and my family and I chose the Swiss option. No regrets at this point. Good luck going into your match! You seem to be approaching the process with all of the right pieces in place.

(Side note: I think you meant Neurology in the "reasonable specialties" list, and not Neurosurgery... right? ;) )

Torontomed
05-10-2015, 10:01 AM
Well, DevilDoc - you do have a point. There are a lot of iMGs who do not match. I think the most recent numbers from the NRMP are something like 52-54% match, or thereabouts. But, you have to take a few things into consideration - is it a U.S. Citizen IMG, or a foreigner? What is their level of English? What were their USMLE scores? Did they just barely pass? Did they fail previously? Certainly, it is easier for a U.S. Grad than an IMG, but, there are many factors. I think if you do reasonably well on the USMLE, and apply to a lot of programs, in reasonable specialties (IM, PEDS, Family Med., Psychiatry, Neurosurgery, etc.)....you stand a reasonable chance of matching. If you score a 205 on step 1 and are applying for Neurosurgery or CardioThoracic.....well, things might not look to good for you. Anyhow..,I see you are working on your PhD in Switzerland, so I'm sure you should have quite a few options opened to you. Best of luck.

That value you're quoting is for all IMG's including the one's with mean graduation rate of 5.7 years i.e. people who keep applying every year due to the same reasons you mentioned. For US-IMG's with mean graduation rate of <1 year (as in, fresh graduates), the match rate is ~73%.

I agree with all your points by the way! I'm just saying that people shouldn't be saying "50% IMG's match based on NRMP data"..there's more to it than that.

HopefulDoc2010
05-10-2015, 10:47 AM
Lol....yes, DevilDoc...I mean Neurology, not Neurosurgery. Damned autocorrect.







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