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dr_amer98
06-01-2004, 10:22 PM
Hi,
I keep hearing about how bad IUHS and how unreliable their program (on line ).
I went to a medical school in a ver traditional orgram and i dont remeber that we went in the first two years to any clinics or hositals at all all what we had to do is to go to lectures for basic sciences and lab lectures and thats it no clinicals at all and no hospitals ... so whats the problem with on line progrma...may be the anatomy classes were the only problem that you have to attend it but other than that there is nothing really that needed the attendace for lectures , because at the end its up tp you to study and do whatever you have to do !!!I know few students in Canada who attened the IUHS on line program and the yare now finishing up and actualy one of them is startin residency in USA... and got very good scores in their USMLE ...I think even for the anatomy classes you could do it n line by remebring the whole things and then when it comes to practice you can start practicing the things you need for the clinicals... you dont need to see every thing infront of you to remember it.

their program has a one day a week clinic too that they have contact with to spend a day there to learn the basics you need like the history taking,b.p....etc which is enough for the begining .

then when you start your clinicals you can learn what you need then .

I realy wish to see hear from you guys reliable oepnions that we could depend on here, more the logical discussion not the attacking for no reason here so we could all get benifits of whats bad or whats good in this program...
Regards

soon2bMS
06-02-2004, 06:20 PM
Hi,
I keep hearing about how bad IUHS and how unreliable their program (on line ).
I went to a medical school in a ver traditional orgram and i dont remeber that we went in the first two years to any clinics or hositals at all all what we had to do is to go to lectures for basic sciences and lab lectures and thats it no clinicals at all and no hospitals ... so whats the problem with on line progrma...may be the anatomy classes were the only problem that you have to attend it but other than that there is nothing really that needed the attendace for lectures , because at the end its up tp you to study and do whatever you have to do !!!I know few students in Canada who attened the IUHS on line program and the yare now finishing up and actualy one of them is startin residency in USA... and got very good scores in their USMLE ...I think even for the anatomy classes you could do it n line by remebring the whole things and then when it comes to practice you can start practicing the things you need for the clinicals... you dont need to see every thing infront of you to remember it.

their program has a one day a week clinic too that they have contact with to spend a day there to learn the basics you need like the history taking,b.p....etc which is enough for the begining .

then when you start your clinicals you can learn what you need then .

I realy wish to see hear from you guys reliable oepnions that we could depend on here, more the logical discussion not the attacking for no reason here so we could all get benifits of whats bad or whats good in this program...
Regards

dr_amer98,

You will not find support on this website for IUHS. You will only find bashing and taunting. If you notice, this forum is more controled by those who are determined to bring schools such as IUHS down then there are students who talk about their experience at this school. In fact, you will not find to many IUHS students on any forum because when one student even mentions that they are attending IUHS, they are ganged up on and bashed until they have no choice but to not share their experience.

If you truely want to learn the experience of current students, it's best to call the school and ask for them to put you in contact with some current students who are willing to talk with you through email.

Regardless if the school is not recognized in all 50 states, I'm sure that the current students are aware of this and it must not be of concern to them otherwise they would not be students of this school. However, this should be no reason for students not to share their experience. Then again, it becomes difficult when everything an IUHS students says is met with reasons for not attending the school according to someone elses thoughts.

This is a free speech forum, so people are able to say what they want. Nevertheless, if you put yourself in the shoes of an IUHS student, what point would it be to post your experience when it will only cause others to call you a liar or try to bring you down.

dr_amer98
06-02-2004, 10:53 PM
well the thing i am asking here is not support
I know some of these students and i know theyr doing well for now actually i know few of them doing theri residency now in USa
so I am not here to get support just telling facts about the school
Thats it

Regards

maximillian genossa
06-03-2004, 12:32 PM
and civility.

New User
06-05-2004, 06:13 AM
Just out of interest can I ask the following questions: Yourself, are you a qaulified doctor or a medical student and if so through which medical school. You mention you know of student(s) who have studied via IUHS- which campus was it and were many registration problems encountered?


Thanks

maximillian genossa
06-05-2004, 10:30 AM
Yes I am a qualified IMG All the students I know from IUHS studied at the St.Kitts Campus, and some a did a combination of online and on Campus basic sciences studies.

In terms of registration problems, as long as you pay them you should be ok. Expect to pay anything from 500 to 1,200 per month on their tuition payment plan with a high deposit. As far as I know, do not expect any financial aid from them and good luck.

dr_amer98
06-05-2004, 11:33 AM
Hello
Yes I am a Qulified medical doctor.
for the campus they did it on they did on line program and did 4 week on ST.Kittes Campus after finishing the on line basic science program.
fpr the license issues no one from there yet reached to this step from the ppl i know yet .
they have found places and matched for their residencies(F.M and I.M)
so I am not yet sure what will happen with issue yet .
not all the states in USA require physical attaendance,Canada and UK doent have it at all as far as I know.
Hope this helps
Regards

New User
06-05-2004, 01:51 PM
Thanks for the information. All the best.

will2b
06-08-2004, 10:02 PM
I know some one who went to this school, He was a chiropractor, He was not able to pass USMLE 2. He states " I would not recommend this school to anyone". He has failed twice and feels that the school is only after the $$$$$. He had to set up his own clinicals and had a hard time finding someone who wanted to help him. This is factual info.

sam kurenai
06-09-2004, 03:27 PM
That's too bad. Where has he done rotations? So far that balances the tally on IUHS step 2 results. I know of 3 students(2 ex-PA's and one full flesh on campus student) that passed Step 2. On the other I know of 4 that has not passed Step 2.

My personal opinion, the school is way too $$$$ for the facilities and program they offer. Everything else, I do not have an opinion nor am interested in talking about.

ex_ueims_iuhs
06-10-2004, 12:35 AM
Dear Dr.Amir ,

i think you are totaly mistaken or you are having a hidden agenda in favour of IUHS. i was with iuhs for there elp programm for some months and i personally know how pathetic the situation is.its really sad that when many ex-students and others having first hand knowledge of IUHS is trying make people aware of true iuhs , and some are pleeding in favour of it with out having a first hand knowledge of it..its really sad....pls consider the following facts also

1. IUHS graduates cant get registered in many US states , which IUHS website itself accepts and says its because of political reasons....i wonder what this political reasons are...? I dont think that any US state will ban a reputable medical school......do you.?

2.regarding the online course...its true we are not exposed into clinics for 2 years even in good med schools,,but we are spending a good time in LABS and DISSECTION HALL.and we have to be at the lectures physically...i think hearing and seeing is much effective than reading...much. And how do you think to balance for labs and dissection halls....chat rooms.....quote.."GREAT SURGEONS ARE NOT BORN , BUT ARE FORMED IN DISSECTION HALLS " IUHS quote "........ARE FORMED IN CHAT ROOMS AND PORN SITES "

3. IUHS considers dissection as a humiliating process...so Henry Gray wiil be the worst human mankind ever witnessed,,,,do u agree, dear doctor.? and they say labs are a waste of time, as a qualified doctor , do you feel like .....?

4. UAE has also banned IUHS recently ,and they said like medicne is a subject that requires practical experiance. Can we learn swimming online dear doctor...? ie , studying it at home and then going to a pool after 2 years of theory.?Any way we are not going to treat virtual patients..!!!

5. The courseware is really owkward....it teaches you radiology before anatomy and complication of management before pathology.

6. The poor faculty strength is the biggest example of their poor standard , and now their main faculty have left the school.The IUHS is just a small rented building in the island.


so dear doctor, pls try to contact IUHS by e-mail and ask about all these , and please let us know that reply.And please dont assist IUHS in spoiling the future of many kids.....please , its a request from a sufferer...please.....please comment on things which you have first hand knowledge...pleaseeee....PLEASE PUBLISH THE NAMES OF LICENSED IUHS ELP STUDENTS AND THEIR E_MAIL IF YOU HAVE ANY>>>>>

DueSouthMD
06-17-2004, 05:29 AM
Dear Dr. Amer_98,

The first thing I want to ask is WHERE are you a qualified doctor, and WHERE did you graduate from? You have a lot of convincing to do if you think someone can learn the fundamentals of medicine (eg. anatomy) online. The other question I have to ask you is this: As a patient, how would you honestly feel if you discovered that your doctor learned how to take blood pressure and learn about anatomy online? I for one wouldn't be very confident! I have a sneaking suspicion that 99% of the medical schools the world over use more traditional techniques in teaching medicine.

To all others following the validity of IUHS and relevant posts, please refer to my very lengthy and factual post on the St. Eustatius medical school forum. If you go to www.aaimg.com which is the American Association of International Medical Graduates, you will read about this non-profit organisation's goals, evaluation process and criteria of foreign medical schools which are based on on-site inspections and interviews of faculty, staff AND students! The slick IUHS website belies its grossly inadequate facilites and (in)competent faculty. If you want, the AAMIG website has contact info so you can call them up yourself and ask about the legitimacy of this medical school. I have included their latest report on this school, which you will find under "SCHOOLS WITH SIGNIFICANT DEFICIENCIES." Please read carefully:

International University of the Health Sciences,
St. Christopher, West Indies, 1997
Deficiencies
Section I a,b,c,f,g,h
Section II a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,j,k,I,
Section III b,c,d,f,h,I,k
Section IV c,d,e,f,g,k,m
Section V b,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,o
Section VI b.c.d.e.f,g,h,I,j
Section VII a,b,c,d,i
Section VIII a,b,c,e
No significant changes noted since last visit for school with a primarily distance learning curriculum. Grants advanced placement to allied health professionals; full-time residence on St. Kitts is not required. Problem based learning on computer with tutorials gives insufficient basic science preparation. No labs or real library at “campus” site which is a solitary rented building, “ Brannigan House”. Lacks permanent onsite faculty and the web site list is misleading about actual faculty involvement with students. While hospital experience on St. Kitts has expanded, local physician preceptors are not skilled in problem based learning. There is no list of clinical sites and no federal or regulated private loans are available. Several state licensing boards will not license graduates of this school. Marketing is misleading on web site. Several new affiliations listed in India but Medical College of London does not appear to exist nor have a current link from IUHS. Web site advertises eligibility to take PLAB in U.K. but this was not confirmed by General Medical Council in U.K. The website for IUHS has been expanded to list affiliations with other institutions in the United States, United Kingdom and India. There were no site visits to these “affiliates” and the London contact appears to have vanished.

Addendum: My cousin is the chief medical officer of oncology in Saurashtra state in Gujarat, India and maintains that the Medical Council of India (MCI) is doing all it can to eliminate IUHS marketing in India. In fact, there is already an injunction in place for a proposed "learning facility" which turned out to be the rented middle floor of a hotel in South India. I'll pump him for more information when he comes here in August for the American Head and Neck conference in Washington D.C

For the initiated, english taught medical schools in Hungary, Czech Republic, and Poland rank very well but you usually have to enroll in some language proficiency courses in first year (to make your internship more fruitful by being able to interact with patients, I'm told). Ireland and Australia are good choices too. All or most are 6 year programs.

jguru2
06-17-2004, 10:08 AM
aaimg is not a reliable organization...it's legitimacy has been questioned / discussed in this forum very heavily....try to search the posts.

dr_amer98
06-17-2004, 05:47 PM
dearDueSouthMd and Exeuiuhs
Thank you for both of your input here
Well I am not approving or disapproving any thing with IUHS here
All I am saying is that iknow some students from there who are doing residncies in US and not licensed yet ( I mentioned before that they still didnt reach that stage yet )
So about learning from on line sources or lab things its not true that hearing is the only way to learn its all individual differences and not something applicable to every one , come people learn more by reading while others learn by listening I will tell you I graduated from UK the system is totaly different from US and ,the fact that USMLE for example is not a way to evaluate real docotrs because in the basic sciences all what yo evaluate general informations not really practical things..Also for your example about the swimming ..I will give you better example for passing the driving test you have first to go through a theory part where you have to read and not drive when you pass it you go into the driving part and there you learn slowly how to drive untill you pass and become a good driver and then you start to drive .
Its all relative depends on each person's ability to learn
Again I am not incouraging going to this school I am just stating that I know some people who did that and they are in the process of doing residency .. it was not easy for them they had to put extra hours to do extra work but they made it through and also as far as I know the on line program has a family physican they coaporate with once a week to go to learn basic things.
So its all up to the person I guess what he pr she wants to make out of it .
About learning Anatomy on line that could be overcome by studying the harder and the artificial models so any thing could work if you wanted to work
Canada's system of exams was very complicated to pass and i made it through
it took me a while to finish it but i made it.
so good luck to all of you here
:) :)
wish all the best







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