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losackmd
09-13-2009, 05:01 PM
I just wrote this letter to ERNEST HOLBROOK, asking him his opinion on this matter which perturbs me somewhat. Believe me ive been a physician x 30 years and I dont need lecturing from anyone about etiquette. Just give this 10 seconds of your time but think about it.
The bottom line is whats in a name, i get it. for me when it comes to
the WAR/Battle i went through at UCE in SPM in 1976 calling myself Dr. is a big deal and should be used by those who have earned it.



i think it is rude, so very premature, cocky, insulting and plain stupid to use the name Dr. as a name in these Forums if you indeed are not AN MD.


You see the majority of the forum members dont use Dr UNTIL they bust their backs
like i did you did like we all did to deserve that TITLE.

i just take serious offense with it
its my problem
i tried once to settle it
and all i got was blamed for making believe I WAS an MD.

Dont you people studying arduously down there feel offended in the least?
You are all indeed ( except those graduates ) working very hard in a less than optimal environment to get that title.

I wouldnt dare refer to myself as DOCTOR until that diploma en medicina
was in my hands.

I dont know about you guys and gals but i fought a war down there.
My closest friend said UCE was worse than being in VIETNAM. 1976

there should be some etiquette and respect paid to those who have made it or striving hard to make it.
Stop calling yourselves Doctors if youre not one.

This whole VALUE MD is about qualifying and getting to that stage where you get that right. Not when youre in HIGH SCHOOL asking for advice!!!!!!

ill go have another GUINNESS.......


hope you are all well. LIFE IS A JOKE. UCE was a joke but i laughed
the hardest when i graduated.

good luck to you all
god bless you all



glenn losack yes with an MD..............

siheg
09-13-2009, 05:34 PM
I agree with you 100% I go as far as not even mentioning the words "medical school" when asked "what are you going to school for? " I tell them I want to go to "graduate school." Just remember that a poser can thrive on the internet.

AUCMD2006
09-13-2009, 10:56 PM
i agree its disturbing...what also botehrs me are PA's who introduce themselves as doctor or dont correct pts when they call them dr.. also nutritionists, and physical therapists who are PhD's get on my nrves on the floors when they introduce themselvs as docs..their academic doctors not clinical physicians right? i know when those PhD RN programs start graduating people i will be equally as disturbed

Frankb250
09-13-2009, 11:11 PM
Well I'm currently at UNIBE and while I just started this month I already have a huge amount of respect for people with an actual MD more so people who have taken the USMLE and passed and that respect is only growing with each passing day that i have to study sometimes without electricity and water.

As for the people who use Dr. in their name on here there isn't much that can be done about it. You cant make everyone that falls into that category change their names, half the people on this site would have to. I sort of just filter it out mentally and move on. All in all it's pretty bad that people throw it around so lightly here.

ERNEST714
09-14-2009, 05:00 PM
In response to the message from Dr. Losack....I agree with him 100% and by that I mean people should not use the title "Dr./Doctor" until it has been earned. I see several e-mail addresses with Dr. XYZ or whatever and can not help but think they are wannabes and sadly may wind up neverbes.
I also think it borders on impersonation of something you are not.....and I also know that it is ILLEGAL in California (I am not sure of other states) to try to pass yourself off as a "doctor" unless you are a California licensed physician. One can not use the term doctor or M.D. or Physician unless the credentials have been EARNED.
I presume for some it is some kind of ego trip. But for others, it took a lot of blood, sweat and tears to EARN the right to be addressed as Doctor. If a student addresses me as "Mister Holbrook" I correct them immediately for the simple fact I worked long and hard for the privilege and honor of being addressed Doctor and will not just let it slip by.

A.Bush
09-14-2009, 06:53 PM
AMEN TO THAT HOLBROOK!!! It was nice having you at the BBQ by the way, see you at your office on Wednesday.:)

losackmd
09-14-2009, 07:26 PM
my faith has been restored in HUMANITY

gracias a todo el mundo!

A.Bush
09-15-2009, 06:18 PM
De nada Losack!

Swamifez
09-15-2009, 09:09 PM
Dr.Losack, I completely agree with you. Students should not be calling themselves, docs, MD's, without having the degree in their hands, a PHd/MD/DO more particularly. In my opinion, even Pharamacists and Physical theraphists have the title doctors in their degrees, but should not introduce themselves as Docs in the traditional sense. Nurse Practitioners with Phds do have the right to use the title Dr. before their names, they should just clarify to their patients in clinical settings and (med students or contemplating med students) with big egos should take a step back, this is an entire debate on its own with the modern healthcare system in the US changing.

However, with all the blood and sweat and long hours you spent on getting your degree, you should have also taken 5 minutes contemplating that not everyone in this world follows the rules of modesty. These days students have big egos and think they can succeed at anytime they put their heads to it, becoming docs in their little fantasy minds. They didn't face the world yet and have more coming to them. The reality is of the 100 people who post here wanting to be future docs, 5 will maybe graduate with a MD, many more will change their minds entering med school and even more less 2 might pass their USMLES to do a residency program in the US from UNIBE. You should not be concerned on the actions of these students or future docs as they call themselves, their fate will entirely be on themselves and be concerned about yourself, how as a physician you can better yourself and help your students/future patients succeed then rambling about this issue which has not point to it, ignorance can't be changed sometimes. Also writing something like, "My closest friend said UCE was worse than being in VIETNAM. 1976" doesn't really help your cause and you would be pissed on by most Vietnam veterans saying that. Going to med school in the slums can not and should not be compared to warfare anytime: going to see someone's head shot to your self in the right and left, most of your friends not surviving, innocent children and families dying for they were though as the enemies, then going through the post traumatic stress you would potentially face for the entirety of your mortal life were experienced in and after med school for you-something new I guess? But you should know that as a doc already. Also you went to med school for two initials after your name and all the self prestige in the world? If you worked for your degree, you should be prideful of it in your own head and again not give a shit what anyone says in this board, for a man's life is not based on his words but his actions. I see from your blog that you are heading to Bangladesh and India in late of this year, my parents were originally hindus from Bangladesh, it's a beautiful country, just very crowded. Gluck with your travels

Swamifez
09-15-2009, 09:19 PM
From your blog, I can see that you are a man full of actions. I hope you strive as a physician and humanitarian continually.

J1069916
09-16-2009, 12:17 AM
Going to med school in the slums can not and should not be compared to warfare anytime: going to see someone's head shot to your self in the right and left, most of your friends not surviving, innocent children and families dying for they were though as the enemies, then going through the post traumatic stress you would potentially face for the entirety of your mortal life were experienced in and after med school for you-something new I guess?

The Dominican Republic is not the Slums as you quoted. And if that is your personal opinion, then there is still no need to insult the millions of individuals that call the DR home.

Swamifez
09-16-2009, 10:27 PM
J1069916, before you post a comment with absolute negligence again, please read the context and the reply I wrote that statement based on. I did not once address the DR as slums and wrote an indirect statement based on another negligible statement, as a future doc, you will need analytical and reading comprehension skills if you want to succeed, please start working on them! I also for one have visited Santo Domingo, love the people and the culture and do not in any regard ever want to insult any ethnic group, but I will insult individuals who can not read.

A.Bush
09-16-2009, 10:46 PM
First off Swamifez, you in fact did call the area in which UCE is located a slum, so deducing from that contextual statement you do find yourself talking about the Dominican Republic. Yes, it is important to know how to read, but even more importantly how to reiterate an idea, and know what you have written, IT'S CALLED PROOF READING.

LOSACK, May you have a wonderful time in India, I personally have participated in various humanitarian medical missions in Honduras, and they were life changing, they reaffirmed my desire to become a physician. I hope you touch many lives, and you use your knowledge in the way it was made to be used, Like Hippocrates said "Whatever houses I may visit, I will come for the benefit of the sick". That will be my motto, after I go through hell and back in medical school.

And yes, once I have done the Journey, you will see my user name change,to A.BushMD haha

Godspeed :D

J1069916
09-17-2009, 07:44 AM
Swamifez, my mistake. I must have imagined the comparison to the slums.:rolleyes:

DR. combat medic
09-17-2009, 01:13 PM
first let me apologize to all of the talented physicians out there, it was not my intention to tarnish the meaning of the word Doctor,
i actually didn't even notice what i was doing i mostly did it because i am a Dominican Republic combat medic not a "DR"
i am used to being called doc by 200 infantry soldiers and Doctor by many Iraqi nationals that it became second nature to me
though i haven't yet earned the right to be call DR. i do believe that i earned the right to be called "DOC"
24 months in iraq and you hear someone scream DOC how many of you physicians would run "towards" the bullets and explosions

but once again i do apologize for the disrespect

does anyone know how i can change my user name without starting a new account

AUCMD2006
09-17-2009, 07:39 PM
im allergic to bullets and bleeding in general...as a former green side corpsman when i was young sure thing..now days the job of running to the bullets is better left to those who are young and still run..

semper fi

AUCMD2006
09-17-2009, 10:57 PM
Honoring Dr. John Pryor - St. George’s University - Caribbean Medical & Veterinary School (http://www.sgu.edu/news-events/news-archives08-HonoringDrJohnPryor.html)

he did.. there are also 2 auc gards in our alumni pages that are over there now as first line flight surgeons...so there are those who would. i would do it if i beleived in what we were doing

LaNana
09-21-2009, 08:59 AM
It's so great to see that someone shares my biggest pet peave at UNIBE! But you know... it should also serve as a compliment to have that many people want what you have Dr. Loseck. Many would give so much just to come close to having that, and that is a compliment and a source of joy for those that do hold the title with pride.
My parents both graduated from UCE in 1976. I respect this profession more than anything in the world. Proud to see many still protect it's integrity!

october
09-22-2009, 02:56 AM
I have never taken offense by any of the nicknames/handles used on these forums. Firstly, there are bigger fish to fry and I don't have that much free time.

Although personally I never called myself Dr before graduation, the internet didn't exist either. I don't take offense or see an injustice to humanity if students, aspiring doctors choose an internet handle with doc, or Dr. I see it as part of their idealism, their dreams, their goals and hopes.

How about the taxi drivers that have passed all components of USMLE but cannot as of yet get a residency? What about internationally renowned physicians living abroad?

Phd's have doctorates also. In latin america every notary goes by Dr.. California if I am correct tries to make it illegal for Phd's to call themselves Dr. Perhaps as part of the allopathic lobby/ego's. Funny cause it is the same state that was found guilty in a court of law of systematically trying to eliminate the entire profession of osteopathy.
California also makes it a crime to call oneself MD/Dr even if they are licensed in all other 49 states. A non CA licensed doctor can practice medicine in a VA or military hospital without a CA license. Does this mean that if he/she outside the federal institution, say at a party gives out a business card that says MD, they have committed a crime?

There is a forum participant that goes by the handle "booger eater" Perhaps we should ban him until we can confirm that he does indeed eat "boogers" ????

Julius Erving would have needed an attorney every time the sixers played the lakers at LA.

october
09-22-2009, 03:06 AM
first let me apologize to all of the talented physicians out there, it was not my intention to tarnish the meaning of the word Doctor,
i actually didn't even notice what i was doing i mostly did it because i am a Dominican Republic combat medic not a "DR"
i am used to being called doc by 200 infantry soldiers and Doctor by many Iraqi nationals that it became second nature to me
though i haven't yet earned the right to be call DR. i do believe that i earned the right to be called "DOC"
24 months in iraq and you hear someone scream DOC how many of you physicians would run "towards" the bullets and explosions

but once again i do apologize for the disrespect

does anyone know how i can change my user name without starting a new account

I have been a US licensed ER physician for nearly 2 decades. If I were on or near the Iraq battlefield arena with you it would be my honor and pleasure to call you the nickname "doc"

DR. combat medic
09-29-2009, 02:51 PM
i worked under a great ER Doctor in AR Ramadi back in 2006 we had a MasCal of about 12 soldiers IED of a Fuel truck and i was almost real nervouse he was cool and clam i was a new medic and he gave me great advice and guidance are all ER docs that calm cuz trauma is a crazy thins in those situations im more calm on the battfield with 2-3 patients than i am in the ER with 5-10
but thank you for what you do as i thank you for the respect you have for my brothers in arms

rokshana
09-29-2009, 04:41 PM
first let me apologize to all of the talented physicians out there, it was not my intention to tarnish the meaning of the word Doctor,
i actually didn't even notice what i was doing i mostly did it because i am a Dominican Republic combat medic not a "DR"
i am used to being called doc by 200 infantry soldiers and Doctor by many Iraqi nationals that it became second nature to me
though i haven't yet earned the right to be call DR. i do believe that i earned the right to be called "DOC"
24 months in iraq and you hear someone scream DOC how many of you physicians would run "towards" the bullets and explosions

but once again i do apologize for the disrespect
does anyone know how i can change my user name without starting a new account

i really don't think you need to...DR can obviously stand for Dominican Republic and in you case that seems to be so...its not like you have Dr....

IMHO the Dr (or DR) isn't as annoying as the xxxxMD as a forum name...that is a lot of presumption.

keep the DR combat medic...and thank you for your service DOC...

BrendaB_MD
09-29-2009, 10:34 PM
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Aleja
10-19-2009, 09:35 PM
I totaly AGREE! Why presume something before even obtaning it?
is it some sort of mental motivation?... everyhead is a world...
It shouldn't be like that...but nobody says: It can't be like that...

God Bless!

Aleja:wink:







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