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mdva09
05-03-2009, 04:16 PM
I asked if there were any students who are doing rotations few weeks a go and it seems like there are none. Please respond if you are in rotations for 4 year program.

devildoc8404
05-04-2009, 10:23 AM
Do you mean specifically from Lodz, from Poland, or from any foreign school? There are a ton of people doing rotations, but your question is pretty broad.

Dave_MD
05-07-2009, 02:14 PM
you also have to take into account that not all people studying at Lodz, or any polish medical school for that matter, are members of valuemd.

try emailing AIM and seeing if they will put you in contact with someone doing a rotation in the US now. at the very least they will give you an email of someone who has already graduated so you can ask them.

Rotten
05-08-2009, 10:08 AM
Furthermore, any students doing home rotations in the US and Canada would have already returned to Poland. I do not attend medical school at Lodz, but at CMUJ, students typically return home from July to the end of January and return to Poland in February to finish off their fourth year in PL. HTH.

bgcox8301
07-18-2009, 08:13 AM
Just to reply to Rotten--not true for us in Lodz. Yes my class does have students who are in the States for rotations as 4 year programme students. The only time they have to return to Poland is for 5 weeks in our 4th year for some mandatory rotations that are only done here in Lodz. Other than that they are in the States or have the option of being in the UK or can do rotations in all 3 countries. Depends on whatever you arrange for yourself. In the fall my class will have one student also doing an elective in Canada and later next year hopefully some of us will be in Brazil or Belize. Electives can be done where ever you can arrange them--the Dean just has to approve--so it comes down to how much work one wants to put into it. Oh also this past year we had a member of my class do all of his rotations in Norway.

hcg1234
08-09-2009, 02:10 AM
Here's some food for thought:

1)bgcox---you've been a member since April 2007 but decide to write now after almost two years???

2)As I have stated before, MUL is not approved by Cali...at least my guess will be not for another few years.

3) The student you are talking about: Which program did he match into?? The reason I doubt is that word is he is applying for residency but who's to say that he actually matched into a residency program?? Is he ECFMG certified?? Did he do all his rotations in the US or was it all in UK and then he did the other 2 minor classes in poland(believe me I know which two classes those are)??? Things like that.

4)everyone must be aware of the financial burden of the WOW now $700/week cost is----at that price, I might as well be in the US or Caribbean where like the big three their degrees are Licensible in all 50 states unlike MUL's degree---Student loans are no joke---once you have them, you have them for life....it's not like a credit card where you can get rid of them if you file for bankruptcy...be aware of student loan debt

5)all4uismile---posts the more accurate and real aspect of the problems associated with AIM/MUL providing rotations let alone back to back rotations without missing graduation date---although I find the USMLE requirement of having 85 on step 1 as a fallacy to do rotations in the US---This is plain and simple, if a student passes the boards they are eligible to do rotations in the US no matter what your score was.the school may slot you based on how well you did in comparison to other students but here's the ironic matter how many students from MUL finish step 1 and compete for the same rotations when there really is not that much competition among the students for those same spots???---Word is also that AIM does not have US rotations---please clarify this all4uismile---would appreciate your honest answer.

6)wow MUL is teaching so well that many students are passing the step 1 and even attempting step 2...wow that's a kick in my teeth for the level of improvement that the school went through oh say within the last 2 years...please i've known students there who have no clue what is Br and kernig's sign or the most common cause of death in CAE patients or what to give a patient who's undergoing a vasospasm during a SAH.--- not to say that there aren't smart students at MUl---but the real fact remains that students are the ones who teach themselves and is attributed to their hard work and not directly OR indirectly related to the learning experience provided by MUL

7)MUl was definitely not my top choice...you'll definitely learn on your own...and of course, you can insinuate that ppl like me "complain the loudest are never happy no matter where they are" ( just like donkayci)but I'm pointing the main points so that everyone can be aware

docguya
08-09-2009, 11:17 AM
HI. I really really need some help. I have been accepted to MUA and medical univ of lodz..wher should i go? i have researched abt both the schools but just not sure.

MUA- core and electives in the US. All cores are not greenbook (some states wont allow u to practice if u dont have those) and electives you have manage where u go. Has 5th sem for usmle prep and u take it at the right time.

LODZ- cores in the US and all greenbook for sure. most electives in the UK (have to do it- schools rule cause there are many 1 or 2 weeks that us wont allow) but we can do 3 electives in the US by the end. Us based curriculum 2 sem a year and summer off but the sem end in june, have to study for usmle after june and take it b4 enough so we can start 3rd year rotations in october..everything is back to back so nothing would be delayed.

plzzzzz help, any advice is appreciated..in a serious confusion here

hcg1234
08-10-2009, 12:36 AM
Ahem---I dont know where to begin with this one but:

Lodz is US based curriculum---sure in terms of timeline but not in terms of medical education

tru everything is back to back

can you afford $700 a week for US/UK rotations??

Wow cores are greenbook in lodz and not in MUA??? reallly??....highly doubtful since I know friends especially one who is doing rotations here in us in greenbook hospitals provided by MUA and not at the sky high price like AIM charges you just for the tuition---granted MUA does not have federal stafford loans but not providing greenbook rotations---highly doubtful on your statement.---finance wise, you're on your own with MUA---check out their website oh and by the way the list the names of students who have matched into residency programs. they have a success rate better than MUL by comparison.

you have to make the choice ultimately...make it the right one

One additional comment:
MUA (nevis) is approved for clinical rotations more than 12 weeks when you check out the NY medical license board website as opposed to MUL which all4uismile has described accurately the situation with new york---make sure you know your facts are checked before posting docguya

hcg1234
08-10-2009, 05:04 AM
One additional comment:

MUA (nevis) is approved for clinical rotations more than 12 weeks when you check out the NY medical license board website as opposed to MUL which all4uismile has described accurately the situation with new york---make sure you know your facts are checked before posting docguya

hcg1234
08-10-2009, 05:05 AM
One additional comment:
MUA (nevis) is approved for clinical rotations more than 12 weeks when you check out the NY medical license board website as opposed to MUL which all4uismile has described accurately the situation with new york---make sure you know your facts are checked before posting docguya

hcg1234
08-10-2009, 05:05 AM
One additional comment:
MUA (nevis) is approved for clinical rotations more than 12 weeks when you check out the NY medical license board website as opposed to MUL which all4uismile has described accurately the situation with new york---make sure you know your facts are checked before posting docguya

docguya
08-10-2009, 06:38 AM
i think ur right hcg..... mua has loans with ed-invest so i can have those plus the mba program. the thing i like abt mua is the 5th sem..u have enough time for usmle prep and i really do like lodz with their medical courses set up but there sem ends in early july. so we have to start the usmle prep a year earlier to take it at the right time and we get to start rotation in october i guess..

hcg1234
08-10-2009, 02:26 PM
sorry for the over posts....

here's the link for new york to quell any doubt:

NYS Medicine Application Forms (http://www.op.nysed.gov/medforms.htm)

Like I said there's no Stafford Loans that I know of for MUA

...plus the 12 week rule does not apply for MUA at Nevis but I do think applies for MUA Belize (key difference) and definitely for MUL

check with ny dept of health...call them if you doubt me

and you start clinicals for the last 2 years in september not october


the rest of the choice is up to you...

Be aware student loans cannot be written off in bankruptcy court unlike credit cards which can...whoever tells you otherwise is lying

bgcox8301
08-21-2009, 04:34 PM
[QUOTE=hcg1234;1141573]Here's some food for thought:

1)bgcox---you've been a member since April 2007 but decide to write now after almost two years???

2)As I have stated before, MUL is not approved by Cali...at least my guess will be not for another few years.

3) The student you are talking about: Which program did he match into?? The reason I doubt is that word is he is applying for residency but who's to say that he actually matched into a residency program?? Is he ECFMG certified?? Did he do all his rotations in the US or was it all in UK and then he did the other 2 minor classes in poland(believe me I know which two classes those are)??? Things like that.

Ok just to reply to you..
1)yes I have been a member for a few years and I have posted things previous to this and also I am a medical student and do not have time to check this webpage or actually think to check it unless I receive a PM.
2) I have addressed the Cali issue previously and you can read that in another thread
3) yes this student did apply thru match and matched to a program. And of course he is ECFMG certifed---one has to be certified to even sign up to write USMLE. He completed rotations both in the US and the UK and like everyone else that has done rotations outside of Poland had to come back to complete the required rotations in Poland.

annskimd
08-21-2009, 06:22 PM
ok all sorry this took a while i have not been on here for a good while been real busy studying for boards....well i must clarify some things that i read and some of you would like me to clarify.

first of all i have done extensive research which has taken many many hours out of my schedule in the past few years in order to better assure my future career and desicions i make so What ever i say is my 100%honest and current knowledge

hcg1234:

you asked if i could clarify about the US rotations, well the thing is YES, as of my knowledge, they have US rotations in states cause i am planning on doing them now, no i have not done YET but i am about to take my Step 1 and will be planning for a schedule and spots once i have passed with atleast a 85 (lol trying to think positive here) i know this is an important aspect of my residency cause if i eliminate NY residencies (cause of the law) i am eliminating a large chunk of hospitals i could match in and many (all over the states) REQUIRE, if not prefer, US expirence (you can look yourself on individual hospital websites what their requirments are for resident applicants). so i am depending largely and have assured by various people that we can do these US clinicals. the thing is it is a HUGE headache to do them at our affiliated hospials since there are only a few and the dates you get a spot may not correlate one after another so i may have to fly to UK and "fill in" the time by dong clinicals there, i would not go back to poland since they have a very strict set schedule that all students must follow in order to do clinicals there. what i have estimated is that if i do all my clinicals in states that MUL/AIM offers i can do almost 1 year and that is with the 12 week elective, you can not arrange for more then the 12 weeks at a NON AFFILIATED MUL hospital, i used to think i could (like the caribbean does)but i got this clarified. i know i will be behind in my graduation date but i am ok with it as long as i match eventually.

docguya:

you are trying to pic btwn MUA and MUL, honestly it depends on the type of person you are where you eventually want to go and if you care where you may match, if you are not so picky (about where you match) i would say stay at MUL since it is also finacially cheaper (i think, and we have Fed loan). All rotations that are in Europe for MUL are considered GreenBook along with all the hospitals we have in america BUT we do NOT have ALL cores in America (we dont have that many hospitals) you will have to travel back and forth from UK and America as i plan in order to take advantage of these USCE, it is a bunch on **, trust me, and a head ache. Also I must correct you....you do NOT start in october for the proceeding years after your first, that is ONLY for your first year and then after that your summer breaks get shorter and shorter by 1 months. so after 2nd yr you get only 2 months off and then 3rd 1month....we do more classes and clinicals then most of the caribean programs do (which are about 72-76 weeks) we have to do a total of 82 weeks in order to satisfy European and States requirments so that we dont have problems with licnecing AND we can be qualified for our M.D. from a European school. SO your "step 1 study time" you are planning ahead for will be crammed, trust me easier SAID THEN DONE :( cause i am doing it now :shock: and you have atleast a 85 in order to do all the USCE in states that MUL offers. 2 months may seem like a decent amount of time but not when your school did not train you for the type of questions on USMLE.

well best of luck to you thought on your choice and i hope what ever i have said helps someone before they make a desicion without knowing exactly what they are getting into......just like i did myself

moosiota
08-21-2009, 07:35 PM
hey docguya,
congrats on having a few options! you might have already made up your mind but here's my 2 cents:

anytime people see you've gone to the caribbean they will automatically judge you in a negative way. europe, even poland, has less of a negative prejudice.

however, from what i've heard it doesn't matter so much where you do your first 2 years. what matters is your step 1 score & doing clinicals in the US (which is a good reason to go to the caribbean if they offer US clinicals).

you also have the option of coming here for 2 years, taking your step 1 then trying to transfer to a US school- but as far as i know NOBODY from here has done that yet (but the school as we know it is fairly young).

btw- i've 'reminded' the administration here several times to get on Cali licensure and they are in the process. it could be anywhere from 1.5 to MUCH longer before they get it. if they don't have it before you graduate you can NEVER work in cali and it just looks bad in general.

don't let hcg1234 scare you away before you consider all the pros & cons. :>

good luck either way!

Donkayci
09-05-2009, 06:43 PM
I am in here in Lodz and I am loving it, even though I have work my behind off. I really feel like I am actually getting trained to be a doctor instead of getting trained just to pass the boards as most of the Caribbean schools. Labs are great, lots of research opportunities, even there are MD/PHD opportunities, it took a while for me to get used some things but overall, itís great. Most of our professors have at least MD/PHD degrees. Our assistants have MD degrees.
You know I was really skeptical when I was coming here especially after I read posts from that HCG... dude, but I am glad I came. We have students who transferred from the Caribbean to Lodz who couldn't make it even though they had been through 1st year already and they had fewer classes to take here because some courses transferred. This is a fact HCG...., Lodz is tough, they get the best of you and if you donít work extra hard you will fail out and be leaving bitter/hate post like some of people do here.
IT IS NOT PERFECT!!!!!
It can always get better, but the most important thing is you get educated and if you put in effort, you will do well, I have two friends who just got 85 to 90 percentile on step1 and they studied for almost two months during the summer.

If you want "PERFECT" stay in the US, nothing outside will make you happy.
Thatís my advice.

hcg1234
09-30-2009, 12:55 AM
I am in here in Lodz and I am loving it, even though I have work my behind off. I really feel like I am actually getting trained to be a doctor instead of getting trained just to pass the boards as most of the Caribbean schools. Labs are great, lots of research opportunities, even there are MD/PHD opportunities, it took a while for me to get used some things but overall, itís great. Most of our professors have at least MD/PHD degrees. Our assistants have MD degrees.
You know I was really skeptical when I was coming here especially after I read posts from that HCG... dude, but I am glad I came. We have students who transferred from the Caribbean to Lodz who couldn't make it even though they had been through 1st year already and they had fewer classes to take here because some courses transferred. This is a fact HCG...., Lodz is tough, they get the best of you and if you donít work extra hard you will fail out and be leaving bitter/hate post like some of people do here.
IT IS NOT PERFECT!!!!!
It can always get better, but the most important thing is you get educated and if you put in effort, you will do well, I have two friends who just got 85 to 90 percentile on step1 and they studied for almost two months during the summer.

If you want "PERFECT" stay in the US, nothing outside will make you happy.
Thatís my advice.

I think you and others have established that I am a drop out of Lodz----Yawn.

Donkayci--your statement: "We have students who transferred from the Caribbean to Lodz who couldn't make it even though they had been through 1st year already and they had fewer classes to take here because some courses transferred."---enough said

Oh and yes if you want perfect study medicine only in the US and not complain other problems that you face in Lodz or other porgrams---good luck on resolving those issues







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