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02-15-2003, 05:55 PM
I don't think it matters.
by pat (Login patlabor)

Hello Brit,

I am taking a wild guess that you don't really need to do your core in the U.S. It doesn't matter where you do your core. Maybe one or two electives are sufficient to get one or two rec letters from U.S. people(so I have heard from this forum). Two of our mates here (Uni.of Melbourne)didn't do ANYTHING in the states, no rec letters from there, and still pulled it off with residency. One at general surgery at UCSF and the other internal medicine at UCLA. I am doing an elective this coming month at Boston and maybe later at Cleveland. My purpose is to experience American medicine before I decide to go for residency or not. But then you might want to get second opinion from people on this forum, they know more than I do. But then it's a strange fact that you don't need to do anything in the states and still land a spot(or practice in the u.s. as a resident).



Posted on Feb 9, 2001, 8:48 PM
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here's the deal
by pat (Login patlabor)


I agree on what most of you just said. But then I wish to add that most people don't like their jobs anyway. Quite a few complain that being doctor is not worth it, but then those who are not doctors complain that they hate their jobs and wish to become a doctor. So I think the idea that "the grass is always greener on the other side" applies fairly well in this situation, which means people take things for granted. You see NOBODY on this earth can guarrantte that they will love their job with the same amount of intensity as they first started cuz you always start out with an ideal, and that's enough to motivate to become somebody, but whether that ideal would last, GOD KNOWS. This is reality. You would always have a chance of losing your passion somewhere along the line, whether you are an artist, a writer, or whatever. Doctors are no exception. And so my point is, just do medicine as early as possible cuz you don't know whether you will like it or not, but then at least you have a good start. If you like it, you are lucky, and if you don't somewhere along the line, then bad luck for you. Don't you realize that this issues always comes up in the field of medicine and law? Why don't they ever bring this issue up in the arts? Don't you realize that most people just assume that those who loves arts will love them for the rest of their lives???Strange uh? I have seen more artists and writers complaining about their poorly compensated jobs later in their life than doctors. But then society label them as more classy and noble and so their passion shouldn't suppose to die.


Posted on Feb 14, 2001, 10:16 PM
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PBU vs. Caribbean
by Pat (Login patlabor)

Dear medstudents,

I don't know much about the system behind caribbean medical schools and eastern European medical schools. But I was able to get the gists of your arguments. I think if you like your school and you feel optimistic about your future attending there, then just go there. You actually can learn more and be a more happier person and be proud of what you do. One thing I don't understand is this; why do Americans concern so much about the prestige and reputation of a school? Why do you guys keep on degrading each others' medical school?
Haven't we forgotten about the essential qualities of being a physician? Many of your statement could have a potential to hurt others' feelings in a very unproductive way. Although I do believe students should be more cautious of where they attend, I strongly suggest you do so with a more strategic way. Trite as this may sound, one of the important elements of being a physician is to make other feel better and more hopeful in a constructive manner.


Posted on Feb 18, 2001, 10:11 PM
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Touchy Feely
by Bones (Login val931)
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Compassion is great quality for being a physician. However, stating facts and/or opinions about other med schools will hopefully give potential students an idea of what a particular school is like even if those opinions/facts offend somebody from that particular school. In my opinion it's better to be realistic about a school than to be optimistic. This especially applies since choosing a school will impact the rest of one's future for better or worse.

Posted on Feb 18, 2001, 10:56 PM
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by Anonymous (Login merag)

it also needs to be said because some of these places are scams, just look what happened to the kids who went to grace

Posted on Feb 19, 2001, 4:13 AM
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This forum is NOT the true representation of the 8,000+ US/Canadian students attending FM schools
by Anonymous (Login xyz-3)

Dear Pat: thanks for your wamr and intelligent note. I like to say that please don't form an opinion of US/Canadian medical students based on what you read on this forum. There are over 8,000 US/Canadian students attending off-shore or foreign medical school and working hard to become a medical doctor. Most of them don't even come to this forum or visited this forum and considered it a time wasting activity.

There are only about 15-20 persons who regularly visit this forum and primarily dominate the discussion on this forum. They don't know but they are being monitored. These people sometimes log in under more than one id and from different computers.

Now some of these 15-20 are genuine and they graduated from carib schools like AUC, Ross etc., and they are doing what good alumni should do i.e promoting their schools in a decent professional manner. When they write their opinion, one can enjoy reading it even though one may not agree with all of their opinions.

However, most others in this 15-20 who visit this forum are trouble makers. They will make uninformed irresponsible remarks, bad mouthing other medical schools and mislead prospective students. These are the people who sometimes will use foul language, lack basic mannerism and show no class or culture when expresing their opinions. I believe there are at most 10-15 of these people on this forum who come into this category. These are the people who will jump at any new posts and answer negatively to everything thus irritating and misleading the readers. They disimminate wrong information on this forum. Most probably these are the people who can't stay focused and determined and who have been jumping from one medical school to another and have lost track of how to graduate and become a medical doctor and have now become like mischievious kids.

As you can see 10-15 people out of the 8000+ students who attend foreign and/or off-shore medical school is a very negligible #, but unfortunately the noise they create does have an impact on this forum and could give the wrong impression about the rest of the 8,000 US/Canadian medical students and could distract others.

This forum does not have a moderator and that gives the above 10-15 people freedom to say what they want to say and behave the way they want to behave even though it may be misleading the prospective students and bad for the society.

In general, most of the 8,000+ US/Canadian students go to medical schools that they like that they are happy with, and they stay focused and determined to complete their M.D successfully so they can serve the community.

Posted on Feb 19, 2001, 9:41 AM
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Yes this is a waste of time
by MD-PGY1 (Login MD-PGY1)

I did not read your entire post, it was lengthy and circumfrential.

We differ in opinions. I believe the school administrators do have the ability to ***** what their students pass rates are, especially in a school that requires a passing grade before you advancement such as ross. Wether or not they report these results accurately was not the question, and that is open to opinion. I believe many schools report the stats accurately, and after being in class and seeing how many advanced to clinicals I think they were acurate stats at least for my class.

I never said you knew UCE's stats. That is my point, you dont and they dont because they dont care about the USMLE and have no plan to encorperate an emphasis on passing the USMLE into their cirriculum. How do I know, well I asked the deans of 2 DR schools when I was there, and they openly and honestly told me that was not a priority for them. They cant even give you a ball park figure on the stats, not even an idea.

We also differ in opinon regarding a nurses understanding of a physicians training. You see I was also a nurse, and so I feel like I do know after working as a ER nurse for 6 years and thinking I had a grasp on what was entailed in a physicians training, and now looking back and going through it myself....nursing is nothing like it. Sorry, you can believe what you want and you are entitled to your opinion, but it is like black and white. The pressures are different, the material is no longer superficial, and the variables have magnified 10 fold. Seeing and doing are 2 completely different things.

You'll see if you make it.

Posted on Mar 4, 2001, 8:26 AM
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yes, I was right. A waste of our time
by seizetheday (Login seizetheday)

yes, I was right. It is A waste of our times. Thanks anyways for your input. I think you do help lots of people here and I respect you for that. But I think you'll be able to help more people if you would answer the questions people ask you directly. and also if you would read people's comments well. In this forums lots of people just likes to "TALK'" but not "LISTEN"
Bye and good luck. I wish you the best

Posted on Mar 4, 2001, 9:03 AM
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by Pat (Login patlabor)

As a general principle in life, once a certain "trend" is established, then people will try to change it. I wish they had said there are lots of people who didn't get matched and so in about a few years, I would predict applicants will decrease. But then because this year gives people so much hope, in about two years, there will be a dramatic increase in applicants again, thus given the high match rate for this year, there will be a surge of applicants in the next two years, decreasing the match rate. If you read the post or the opinions of many two years ago, they all said it is very hard to get matched from trend predicted two year ago, but then because of such naysayer, there is actually a decrease on non us citizen applying to such spot and probably a decrease in the number of u.s citizens going abroad and study, so that's probably a reason why is easier to match this year. Make sense?


Posted on Mar 27, 2001, 6:37 PM
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maybe not???
by neil (Login ncor33)
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i hope not! but the way i look at it, is application surges from us citizens reacting to a trend are at least 4 years off. the reason being, medical school takes at least 4 years. maybe foriegn and US citizens with degrees that are older will try again, but those applications will not be very competitive. so, i agree that the numbers may change in a couple of years, showing a lower percentage of matches but if that is the case, the numbers will be somewhat misleading, as recent graduates with competitive scores and grades will defintely have the advantage over applicants several years out of school who already have not matched. the best way to predict would be to look at US citizen/foreign medical school enrollments for your year of graduation. that will give a good estimate of the number of applicants. does anyone have any information on where to get these numbers?

Posted on Mar 28, 2001, 2:43 AM
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