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congoman
10-09-2007, 07:32 AM
Amigoe published a few months ago positive articles about CMU.
They have the reputation of being unbiased and independent.

Remember when the Washington Post was vilipended and qualified as a gossip column when it published the first article about the Watergate?
It all turned out to be true and the journalists got a Pulitzer prize!

They were not impressed when RL threaten them with a lawsuit if they did not remove the English article from their website.

In that same article RL’s lawyer qualifies VMD as " a gossip website with an obscure character without any scientific value and not controlled by a government (sic)".
Apparently RL's lawyer is unaware that his client has used and misused the VMD forum with more than 400 posts!!!

So let us not deviate from the essential and try to blame RL's long track of dishonesty (plagiarism, lies about being accredited, false promises, etc) on alleged gutter journalism.

"the dogs are barking, but the caravan is passing by..." the Prophet Mohammed.

librarian
10-09-2007, 07:45 AM
Amigoe's follow-up article:
Amigoe.com (http://www.amigoe.com/english/)

jameslynton
10-09-2007, 08:07 AM
If I remember - didn't you use to post on the St Mart. forum as an enforcer several years ago? About papaers, just because some is old does not make it correct. I seriously doubt that CMU's founding is as serious as Watergate. Mater of fact, I feel everyone is too serious about all this.
The article appears to flounder a bit. With St James officials involved. It feels to me every one want their little cut of the lower tier island medical schools financial pie. The best way to earn money is to have a quality product. So why don't you'll concentrate on Quality education!

What student would rather see is better profs you can understand when they lecture, more state accreditations (like NY) and less infighting between the schools.

lswiltshire
10-09-2007, 10:19 AM
Mr Lynton I notice with much mirth that you have some 3516 posts on valueMD in a mere 18 months. You are not a medical student, or a doctor or a lecturer, but you pontificate on all matters as if you are on the Oreilly factor. Are you the PreMed Forum Moderator because you have 3500 posts, or because you know about Caribbean schools?

Congoman has as much right to deem the CMU problem as serious as Watergate, as you to think that it does not. Perhaps, for him and I, Watergate means absolutely nothing except a word that is synonomous with scandal. But the CMU activity is more meaningful to us because it is impacting on the lives of young folk whose lives we have been involved in shaping. Don’t mind that none of them have not posted 3500 times on valueMD.

Who are you to say that everyone is too serious about all this? All that have posted against CMU have a right to be serious, because RL has come to Curacao *****. He is finding out that “Phantom is rough with roughnecks.” Don’t know if you had Phantom comic days.

EVERYONE has a right to thier opinion as you have to your 3500 opinions posted on valueMd.



Re What student would rather see is better profs you can understand when they lecture, more state accreditations (like NY) and less infighting between the schools.

Actually this is how it ought to be, but the truth is all that you Americans who cant get into a school between Alaska and the Florida Keys (aka as the world) accept anything that’s is offered at even the lower tier schools that you speak of. You guys who are desperate to be come doctors say that you just want the chance to take the USMLE!


Have you ever been to St Martinus? NO. So who are you to comment on quality education there. I cannot tell you why St Martinus does not have a million students, but I can tell you of the standard of education presented there. I have their archives. I have been there alongside men who have been to some of the best medical schools, and then practiced at least 20 years.

Unlike you, I am an island scholar, a doctor who graduated from a reputable medical school and one who has both practiced medicine and taught medical students. There are several reasons why schools don’t have state accreditations (like NY). You do not know as much as you think.

If you were as objective and factual and really omniscient as you pretend to be, you will note that there was no infighting with ST Marts and SJMS in 5 years. In the last 3 years there has been peace among “the lower tier island medical schools” in the ABC islands. In that time St Martinus started slowly steadily and solidly, and does produce a quality product.

In December the first two students will graduate. Reports are that they have been found so good that they have been offered residencies. I am not surprised. They were prepared for clinicals by me under rigid UWI standards during their basic science training. YOU SEE I PREPARED THEM IN THIER FINAL SEMESTER TO BE DOCTORS, not just to past the USMLE. The others in clinicals will do even better because they went through a longer period of exposure

15 students have now passed USMLE 1 with an average of 83, with only two failures. 13 students are doing rotations, 10 in the US 3 in Holland.

The point that I am making is that St Martinus was quietly going on, slowly steadily modestly.

Anyone without betzpaenia can figure that trouble in the ABC islands has only broken loose since the advent of RL and CMU.

It is not StMarts fault that RL and Dr Who has fallen out. It was not St Marts, but CMU who came in the valueMD forum casting aspersions on both SJMS and ST Marts.


SJMS gets students every semester, and it is up and running. It does not need to fight anyone. St Marts is struggling, but it is not fighting anyone. SJMS and St Marts didn’t copy anyones website or falsify information thereon. It was not the SJMS and St Marts admins that pointed out CMU’s faults, it was the keen folk on valuemd that were able to discern error and right from wrong. As doctors in training they were able to spot a red herring during history taking.

There is a way Doctors that go to schools that dont just stress USMLE are trained to behave. This behavior is not mirrored by RL.

CMU and SMU can coexist on Curacao without RL's behavior.

eastern2western
10-09-2007, 10:20 AM
Amigoe published a few months ago positive articles about CMU.
They have the reputation of being unbiased and independent.

Remember when the Washington Post was vilipended and qualified as a gossip column when it published the first article about the Watergate?
It all turned out to be true and the journalists got a Pulitzer prize!

They were not impressed when RL threaten them with a lawsuit if they did not remove the English article from their website.

In that same article RL’s lawyer qualifies VMD as " a gossip website with an obscure character without any scientific value and not controlled by a government (sic)".
Apparently RL's lawyer is unaware that his client has used and misused the VMD forum with more than 400 posts!!!

So let us not deviate from the essential and try to blame RL's long track of dishonesty (plagiarism, lies about being accredited, false promises, etc) on alleged gutter journalism.

"the dogs are barking, but the caravan is passing by..." the Prophet Mohammed.

Well, I can not believe that you are comparing that article to what is consider to be one of the greatest examples of investigative journalism. The fact is the original washington reporters were basing their article on their own research and internal secret government sources. In addition, their research was proven by a massive investigation that almost caused the impeachment of Nixon. The problem with the amigoe's article and its follow up report is that is is completely base on valuemd, wikipedia and the president of saint james. Valuemd is exactly what the lawyer described because it is full of opinions from different kind of people who are pretending to be different characters. Man,if woodward and bernstein learned that they were being compare to that piece of yellow journalism, they would probably hang themselves right now.

lswiltshire
10-09-2007, 10:52 AM
Missing the point like this is why most of you med students fail exams. You are often not able to tell the woods from the trees!


Congoman has not compared Amigoes article with the one in the Washington Post. What he has said in plain English, is that when the Washington Post was vilified and qualified as a gossip column when it published the first article about the Watergate, it was later exonerated because the article was found to be true, and fair and unbiased.

He is then seeking to show that Amigoe is likewise unbiased because though it has posted info recently against CMU based on info in valueMd, it has also previously published positive articles about CMU. He is saying that in Curacao that they have the reputation of being unbiased and independent.

Posts on valueMD should all be good sources of information, if only folk would just post the TRUTH only. Trouble is there are a lot of folk who just post opinions on valueMD. Posting under a nom de plume does not make the truth incorrect. It just makes it anonymous.

What you perhaps have failed to see in the article is that the comment that “RL’s lawyer qualifies VMD as " a gossip website with an obscure character without any scientific value and not controlled by a government (sic)". Apparently RL's lawyer is unaware that his client has used and misused the VMD forum with more than 400 posts!!! So let us not deviate from the essential and try to blame RL's long track of dishonesty (plagiarism, lies about being accredited, false promises, etc) on alleged gutter journalism.”

Amigoes poor journalism vs what you consider America’s best is irrelevant in congomans post, because the punch line of his post is that it is hypocritical to designate VMD as " a gossip website with an obscure character without any scientific value and not controlled by a government, when one has HIMSELF used it for the same purpose. That’s the real argument. RL must be willing to play by the same rules.

We as physicians ought to behave and post on VMD without having any control by government. Why should government control free speech. But free speach should be accurate and true and fair.

VMD is not necessarily only about gossip, nor does it have to have scientific value. It presents news. It presents good advice.
VMD is doing a good job. It has helped to warn students from making very bad choices

lswiltshire
10-09-2007, 10:55 AM
Still minding my business but is this the claim made by RL for social security.

Did RL actually ask for US federal unemployment money while he claims running the best school of the Caribbean.

Is this the kind of behavior you expect from a President of a medical school.

Is this evidence of an incompetent IT technician trying to run a medical school after being fired by his employer.

Does he not know that SCHOOLS ARE LED BY SCHOLARS? And that MEDICAL SCHOOLS ARE LED BY MEDICAL SCHOLARS. That is persons who qualified as doctors and then practiced medicine and taught medical school for some time.


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maximillian genossa
10-09-2007, 11:25 AM
2 wrongs don't make one right.


Amigoe published a few months ago positive articles about CMU.
They have the reputation of being unbiased and independent.

Remember when the Washington Post was vilipended and qualified as a gossip column when it published the first article about the Watergate?
It all turned out to be true and the journalists got a Pulitzer prize!

They were not impressed when RL threaten them with a lawsuit if they did not remove the English article from their website.

In that same article RL’s lawyer qualifies VMD as " a gossip website with an obscure character without any scientific value and not controlled by a government (sic)".
Apparently RL's lawyer is unaware that his client has used and misused the VMD forum with more than 400 posts!!!

So let us not deviate from the essential and try to blame RL's long track of dishonesty (plagiarism, lies about being accredited, false promises, etc) on alleged gutter journalism.

"the dogs are barking, but the caravan is passing by..." the Prophet Mohammed.

Scott1981
10-09-2007, 12:38 PM
why doesnt somebody run a background check on him and see what comes up? no names mentioned of course.

lswiltshire
10-09-2007, 12:49 PM
2 wrongs don't make one right.

Thats a great pun Max
Enjoyed it, if thats what you were about.
Go to the head of the class.
Pass Go and claim 200$

eastern2western
10-09-2007, 02:44 PM
Missing the point like this is why most of you med students fail exams. You are often not able to tell the woods from the trees!


Congoman has not compared Amigoes article with the one in the Washington Post. What he has said in plain English, is that when the Washington Post was vilified and qualified as a gossip column when it published the first article about the Watergate, it was later exonerated because the article was found to be true, and fair and unbiased.

He is then seeking to show that Amigoe is likewise unbiased because though it has posted info recently against CMU based on info in valueMd, it has also previously published positive articles about CMU. He is saying that in Curacao that they have the reputation of being unbiased and independent.

Posts on valueMD should all be good sources of information, if only folk would just post the TRUTH only. Trouble is there are a lot of folk who just post opinions on valueMD. Posting under a nom de plume does not make the truth incorrect. It just makes it anonymous.

What you perhaps have failed to see in the article is that the comment that “RL’s lawyer qualifies VMD as " a gossip website with an obscure character without any scientific value and not controlled by a government (sic)". Apparently RL's lawyer is unaware that his client has used and misused the VMD forum with more than 400 posts!!! So let us not deviate from the essential and try to blame RL's long track of dishonesty (plagiarism, lies about being accredited, false promises, etc) on alleged gutter journalism.”

Amigoes poor journalism vs what you consider America’s best is irrelevant in congomans post, because the punch line of his post is that it is hypocritical to designate VMD as " a gossip website with an obscure character without any scientific value and not controlled by a government, when one has HIMSELF used it for the same purpose. That’s the real argument. RL must be willing to play by the same rules.

We as physicians ought to behave and post on VMD without having any control by government. Why should government control free speech. But free speach should be accurate and true and fair.

VMD is not necessarily only about gossip, nor does it have to have scientific value. It presents news. It presents good advice.
VMD is doing a good job. It has helped to warn students from making very bad choices
I am not disputing the facts mentioned in the article, the only problem with it is that the writer is simply too lazy to do a little leg work by herslef and used information from value md. Woodward and Bernstein did a much better job on their article because they actually did research and gathered their information from important sources with in washington. RL's lawyer's description about valuemd is correct because a lot of information in here is simply opinions.

jameslynton
10-09-2007, 02:57 PM
Mr Lynton I notice with much mirth ...Nice I made you laugh - we enjoy hearing from our fans.

maximillian genossa
10-09-2007, 03:09 PM
200....euros or dollars? ;)


2 wrongs don't make one right.

Thats a great pun Max
Enjoyed it, if thats what you were about.
Go to the head of the class.
Pass Go and claim 200$







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