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rlewkowski
08-23-2007, 05:32 PM
Our website may be unavailable till tomorrow morning due to the recent storm in Chicago. The technicians are working to resolve the issue.

IMG SURVIVOR
08-23-2007, 05:56 PM
The storm was scary, I hope you guys are ok.
Lets hope you can return to normal soon.
good luck.

rlewkowski
08-23-2007, 07:36 PM
The storm was scary, I hope you guys are ok.
Lets hope you can return to normal soon.
good luck.

We are fine. Thanks IMG.
We have survived the storm in Chicago, we will survive the storm on ValueMD.;)

stephew
08-23-2007, 08:09 PM
We are fine. Thanks IMG.
We have survived the storm in Chicago, we will survive the storm on ValueMD.;)

the best shelter is truth.

stateofequilibrium
08-23-2007, 08:10 PM
the best shelter is truth.

But it's so hard to reach for some.

stephew
08-23-2007, 08:11 PM
nice continuation of metaphore.

stateofequilibrium
08-23-2007, 08:20 PM
But while I'm here, I can't resist, "There is a.. strom?.. heading to Chick-ago."

finishingfifth
08-23-2007, 09:04 PM
hey while you've got the technicians there, ask the IT guys if they can change your website to reflect the truth. you know..take away the imed, faimer, ecfmg lies you have posted.

Scott1981
08-23-2007, 09:17 PM
actually, i would also get the tech guys to work on filtering out the porn in cmu's message board linked on the cmu homepage on the right. the porn advertisements from the message board were linked on the homepage in full view.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

finishingfifth
08-23-2007, 09:32 PM
:-D
actually, i would also get the tech guys to work on filtering out the porn in cmu's message board linked on the cmu homepage on the right. the porn advertisements from the message board were linked on the homepage in full view.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

its probably the only way you could get any kind of decent anatomy instruction with a CMU related endevour:-D

emt036
08-23-2007, 09:40 PM
Also, I noticed that the curriculum page still lists BSF and CPC's and concept maps in Pathology, so it appears there is still some work to be done in removing content copied/stolen from SGU's page. This may be a perfect opportunity for you.

rokshana
08-24-2007, 12:50 AM
so who's website is it gonna look like next?- Ross has a nice one....:)

rlewkowski
08-24-2007, 01:46 AM
actually, i would also get the tech guys to work on filtering out the porn in cmu's message board linked on the cmu homepage on the right. the porn advertisements from the message board were linked on the homepage in full view.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

what porn?

rlewkowski
08-24-2007, 01:48 AM
so who's website is it gonna look like next?- Ross has a nice one....:)

Its still gonna look like CMU website, im sorry.

finishingfifth
08-24-2007, 06:42 AM
Its still gonna look like CMU website, im sorry.

Lets be fair. If it will continue to look like the CMU website then it will be a hybrid between SGU and the univ. of utah. By the way, RL, are you going to leave the ECFMG, IMED, Faimer lies on the site, or will you ignore the question, again?

studentdoctobe
08-24-2007, 07:04 AM
Speaking of CMU website, I would like to suggest that we could help the "web crawlers" find and catalog these posts by our reference specifically to Caribbean Medical University versus CMU.

:mrgreen:

rlewkowski
08-24-2007, 08:06 AM
Lets be fair. If it will continue to look like the CMU website then it will be a hybrid between SGU and the univ. of utah. By the way, RL, are you going to leave the ECFMG, IMED, Faimer lies on the site, or will you ignore the question, again?

It states clearly: "Listing in the Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates (ECFMG), and listing in the International Medical Education Directory (IMED) is currently in process and is expected to be finalized by the end of August."

So it looks like you are just lying.

finishingfifth
08-24-2007, 08:13 AM
It states clearly: "Listing in the Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates (ECFMG), and listing in the International Medical Education Directory (IMED) is currently in process and is expected to be finalized by the end of August."

So it looks like you are just lying.

Your reading comprehension skills need work. In the process of getting something and actually having it are 2 different things. I am in the process of getting my M.D., even though its only a few months away, I cant write M.D. after my name. I cant proclaim myself as a doctor. You admit that you DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE ECFMG/IMED approval, yet YOU CLAIM THEM ON YOUR WEBSITE. this is lying. How do you sleep at night?

rlewkowski
08-24-2007, 08:17 AM
Your reading comprehension skills need work. In the process of getting something and actually having it are 2 different things. I am in the process of getting my M.D., even though its only a few months away, I cant write M.D. after my name. I cant proclaim myself as a doctor. You admit that you DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE ECFMG/IMED approval, yet YOU CLAIM THEM ON YOUR WEBSITE. this is lying. How do you sleep at night?

Where do we claim to have them?
I sleep fine, thank you.

finishingfifth
08-24-2007, 08:22 AM
You did claim them everyone knows it, you changed the website. THANK YOU. I am sure someone cpatured it while you had it fraudulently posted. I am glad VMD got you to ammend some of your deceptions. BTW, is it your claim that ECFMG/IMED listing was never claimed on the CMU website. Because we all know that it was.

emt036
08-24-2007, 08:29 AM
How about these statements still listed on your website:


CMU has successfully addressed all requirements of ECFMG and therefore obtained permission for its students to sit for the United States Medical Licensing Examination tests.


Graduates of CMU are eligible to sit for MCCQE Parts I and II, and to apply for the LMCC.


The Government of Curacao by granting a permit to Caribbean Medical University gives the right to confer a degree of Medical Doctor to those who successfully complete the university's curriculum. Affiliation with Caribbean International University allows the faculty to teach the art and science of medicine, and to operate the institution on the island of Curacao.

All of these statements are patently incorrect.

rlewkowski
08-24-2007, 08:32 AM
It was there since we thought the process would have been faster. Hoverer due to the monopoly issue, we had to wait like 6 months till the Government clarified that. Now they process our application much faster.

teratos
08-24-2007, 08:35 AM
It was there since we thought the process would have been faster. Hoverer due to the monopoly issue, we had to wait like 6 months till the Government clarified that. Now they process our application much faster.


The point is that it ISN'T TRUE. I know it probably won't be a problem, since the government is now working with you, but you can't say it until it is true. That is why people are jumping all over you. So far, you haven't officially addressed ANY of the requirements of the ECFMG. You don't have your own charter (the "borrowed" charter is sketchy), and you aren't IMED listed. That constitutes fraudulent business practices.

Before I was actually a licensed physician, I couldn't write prescription or practice medicine. I didn't anticipate any problems, since I had met all the requirements for the state of Maryland, but I had to wait until I had a license to practice......G

finishingfifth
08-24-2007, 08:36 AM
It was there since we thought the process would have been faster. Hoverer due to the monopoly issue, we had to wait like 6 months till the Government clarified that. Now they process our application much faster.

But CIU has had the charter since 2001, so the monopoly would not have been an issue. Unless CIU cant confer the M.D. degree...which would make your current charter worthless. BTW why did you post something without clarification from the government first. Can you admit that posting something without all the facts known was irresponsible?

emt036
08-24-2007, 08:54 AM
It was there since we thought the process would have been faster. Hoverer due to the monopoly issue, we had to wait like 6 months till the Government clarified that. Now they process our application much faster.

The beauty of a webpage is that it can be changed quickly, easily and cheaply. It's not like a book where you have to print new copies and through the old ones away. The fact is that, despite being aware of the false statements on the website, CMU left them up there. As others have said, this are fraudulent business practices, for which there is no excuse.

teratos
08-24-2007, 09:48 AM
One other point to ponder is these little "details" that are not true will prejudice people against the school for a long time to come. When a new school opens it is scrutinized here...just look at the St. Chris forum. When you come out and ram the school down people's throats, like the students did, you will get even more people to pay attention to you. If you had taken down the inaccurate information when you were first alerted to it, it would have shown some good faith on your part. Since it is left there, and it is most definitely misleading, it really makes you look bad. No matter what happens with the future of the school. G

rokshana
08-24-2007, 10:36 AM
It states clearly: "Listing in the Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates (ECFMG), and listing in the International Medical Education Directory (IMED) is currently in process and is expected to be finalized by the end of August."

So it looks like you are just lying.


but that's just it-IMED has no paperwork from curacao (maybe because curacao hasn't actully finished processing your paperwork?) about IMED listing- just thinkin about it in your head isn't ACTUALLY "in process".

there have been numerous people (myself included) that have inquired with IMED directly about said paperwork and there is nothing on their end.

dt
08-24-2007, 11:14 AM
It was there since we thought the process would have been faster. Hoverer due to the monopoly issue, we had to wait like 6 months till the Government clarified that. Now they process our application much faster.


What monopoly issue?

I brought it up yesterday here (http://www.valuemd.com/caribbean-medical-university-cmu/141731-time-will-show-who-right.html#post658647).

Since you never answered it, I am repeating it.


CIU has a charter in 2001. St. Martinus started in 2003.

Now why would Curacao give St. Martinus a medical education monopoly if CIU already has the right to provide a medical education and grant MD degree?

DOC.p
08-24-2007, 12:56 PM
You did claim them everyone knows it, you changed the website. THANK YOU. I am sure someone cpatured it while you had it fraudulently posted. I am glad VMD got you to ammend some of your deceptions. BTW, is it your claim that ECFMG/IMED listing was never claimed on the CMU website. Because we all know that it was.
i took a screen shot of it and posted it on one of these threads. you can search for it, it's around.

DOC.p
08-24-2007, 12:58 PM
actually here it is:

http://www.valuemd.com/caribbean-medical-university-cmu/140933-congratulations-3.html#post651166

finishingfifth
08-24-2007, 01:06 PM
actually here it is:

http://www.valuemd.com/caribbean-medical-university-cmu/140933-congratulations-3.html#post651166

Thanks. Its just some more proof of how CMU works.

finishingfifth
08-24-2007, 03:21 PM
Where do we claim to have them?
I sleep fine, thank you.

Here is where you claim it.

As of today here is your website. You got rid of the ECFMG/IMED lie on the first page, but you forgot this one.
CMU | Caribbean Medical University - Resources - FAQs (http://cmumed.org/resources/faqs.htm)

Might want to have the boys in IT get on that.
Also, here is a link to ECFMG schools for the netherlands antilles.

IMED - FAIMER International Medical Education Directory - Search Results (http://imed.ecfmg.org/results.asp?country=665&school=&currpage=1&cname=NETHERLANDS+ANTILLES&city=&region=CA&rname=Central+America%2FCaribbean&psize=25)

Why does it STILL say you have ECFMG, when it is clear you dont. Dude, you are surrounded by people who are much smarter than you, stop trying to fool them

finishingfifth
08-24-2007, 04:27 PM
Well, I see rlewkowski is signed in to VMD . he has been for over 30 min now. He must have seen this post, is he ignoring it?I wonder why? I hope he can change that CMU website quick.

rokshana
08-24-2007, 04:30 PM
Here is where you claim it.

As of today here is your website. You got rid of the ECFMG/IMED lie on the first page, but you forgot this one.
CMU | Caribbean Medical University - Resources - FAQs (http://cmumed.org/resources/faqs.htm)

Might want to have the boys in IT get on that.

their FAQs say ALREADY LISTED with ECFMG- excuse me but what part of THAT isn't a blatant falsehood??!!!

and did you know that the US had 4 territories???? I don't ever remember my geography teachers even saying that!

and rl, unless you get that IMED listing before Jan 2008 (which I'll bet another shiny EC!) CMU'S classes will NOT be eligible for transfer to other medicals schools and count towards ECFMG certification since the only acceptable ones will be from IMED listed schools (and i kinda think that those credits would have to be given AFTER IMED listing).

finishingfifth
08-24-2007, 04:37 PM
their FAQs say ALREADY LISTED with ECFMG- excuse me but what part of THAT isn't a blatant falsehood??!!!

and did you know that the US had 4 territories???? I don't ever remember my geography teachers even saying that!

and rl, unless you get that IMED listing before Jan 2008 (which I'll bet another shiny EC!) CMU'S classes will NOT be eligible for transfer to other medicals schools and count towards ECFMG certification since the only acceptable ones will be from IMED listed schools (and i kinda think that those credits would have to be given AFTER IMED listing).

I thought our territories are puerto rico, american samoa, dang it cant remember the other 2. They all require USMLE though, so you cant practice there as a CMU grad. Although there is no such thing as a CMU grad.

rokshana
08-24-2007, 04:46 PM
I thought our territories are puerto rico, american samoa, dang it cant remember the other 2. They all require USMLE though, so you cant practice there as a CMU grad. Although there is no such thing as a CMU grad.


well that is true- i forgot about those- USVI and Guam are the other 2- but no the Faqs say that the US is divided into 4 territories and that the states in them make up the licensing laws....this i did not know...

finishingfifth
08-24-2007, 04:54 PM
well that is true- i forgot about those- USVI and Guam are the other 2- but no the Faqs say that the US is divided into 4 territories and that the states in them make up the licensing laws....this i did not know...

Yeah, but this is from the same page that says CMU has ECFMG/IMED. I wouldnt put any stock in what that website says. It also claims rotations available in Penn and NJ...yeah,right.

rokshana
08-24-2007, 05:36 PM
Yeah, but this is from the same page that says CMU has ECFMG/IMED. I wouldnt put any stock in what that website says. It also claims rotations available in Penn and NJ...yeah,right.

nice catch!! i missed that!

RL you do realize that it is against PA STATE LAW for foreign students to do any clinical rotations in the state of pa, right?

and that (do correct me some one if i am wrong here), sgu and ross are the only schools that can rotate in NJ

you know though, kinda would be nice to have RL's job- i mean who else gets paid to hang out, and post on vmd??? I mean, we've all been accused of it, but really HE gets to DO it!!!!

finishingfifth
08-24-2007, 06:35 PM
Yeah, i go to AUC, we have no NJ rotations. CMU is really pushing the envelope with their lies. RL, answer the question. YOU aksed ME to find out where you mentioned IMED on the CMU site. What do you have to say now.

If you want to know why rok,myself, and other are always on your case: we dont want CMU to hurt anymore people. You are proven liar. And you never directly respond to questions, you just dance around them, deflect them, talk about other lousy med schools, or make a derogatory remark.

I challenge you to give me an answer that can truly explain why your website still has the ECFMG claim. And the claim for rotations in Penn and NJ. I await your response. If you dont respond, we can assume cowardice or culpability. Your choice.

Phrozen
08-24-2007, 07:34 PM
rokshana... what's an EC? lol

rokshana
08-24-2007, 07:39 PM
rokshana... what's an EC? lol

sorry! it stands for Eastern Caribbean Dollar- its the currency in many of the islands.

finishingfifth
08-24-2007, 07:59 PM
sorry! it stands for Eastern Caribbean Dollar- its the currency in many of the islands.
pretty soon RL will owe you 2 EC, almost enough for a beer!

IMG SURVIVOR
08-24-2007, 10:46 PM
We are fine. Thanks IMG.
We have survived the storm in Chicago, we will survive the storm on ValueMD.;)

I made the post because I was in Chicago during the storm and truly did not wanted anything bad to happen to you guys physically, one thing is difference in opinion and in the way people do business and another thing is the person as a human been.
And your reply could be wonderful if you just had put a dot were the coma is and not write what I highlighted in black.:roll:

My humble two cents.

IMG SURVIVOR

rlewkowski
08-24-2007, 11:06 PM
I await your response. If you dont respond, we can assume cowardice or culpability. Your choice.

From now no replies to Rokshana and other "friends" of CMU.

finishingfifth
08-24-2007, 11:15 PM
From now no replies to Rokshana and other "friends" of CMU.

Ok, cowardice it is.

finishingfifth
08-24-2007, 11:17 PM
Got a PM from RL regarding the states on their website:

The states have been removed.
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I appreciate this genuine effort to get the facts straight. I think it shows a hint of effort. Now, if they could explain why it was on there in the first place I would be even happier.

Also, why does that same page on the FAQ section of CMU's website still claim they are listed with ECFMG? I hope that this will be removed along with the NJ&PA info. Once again, thank you for ammending the website.

rlewkowski
08-24-2007, 11:29 PM
Got a PM from RL regarding the states on their website:

The states have been removed.
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I appreciate this genuine effort to get the facts straight. I think it shows a hint of effort. Now, if they could explain why it was on there in the first place I would be even happier.

Also, why does that same page on the FAQ section of CMU's website still claim they are listed with ECFMG? I hope that this will be removed along with the NJ&PA info. Once again, thank you for ammending the website.

You are welcome. ECFMG info updated as well.

emt036
08-24-2007, 11:33 PM
They missed one though: Florida.

Medical schools need to be approved by the Florida Dept of Education for rotations. SGU, AUC, Ross, and SMU are all listed, but CMU is not. (Big suprise). http://www.fldoe.org/cie/pdf/directory.pdf

So I guess Florida should be removed from the clinical rotations list as well... You know, claiming to have rotations in states where it is impossible or you are not licensed to do them makes me kind of wonder if all of the rotations listed on the page are just a figment of someone's imagination.

You know what I noticed? Even after the removal of multiple state's worth of clinical rotations, the "real-time data from the database center" still lists the same number of rotation spots available: 327. Maybe these spots are really just imaginary.

IMG SURVIVOR
08-24-2007, 11:37 PM
I think that the entire website can go into investment lost, and just start from the beginning EVERYTHING.
If not at least take the website down, and make a new one and before you launch the website make sure you have IMED and ECFMG and that your students have taken that little test that I'm the mod, what is the name of that competency exam???
O yea USMLE.

emt036
08-24-2007, 11:37 PM
You are welcome. ECFMG info updated as well.

Actually, it hasn't been. Your website still states:


CMU has successfully addressed all requirements of ECFMG and therefore obtained permission for its students to sit for the United States Medical Licensing Examination tests.

as well as


Graduates of CMU are eligible to sit for MCCQE Parts I and II, and to apply for the LMCC.

rlewkowski
08-24-2007, 11:38 PM
They missed one though: Florida.

Medical schools need to be approved by the Florida Dept of Education for rotations. SGU, AUC, Ross, and SMU are all listed, but CMU is not. (Big suprise). http://www.fldoe.org/cie/pdf/directory.pdf

So I guess Florida should be removed from the clinical rotations list as well... You know, claiming to have rotations in states where it is impossible or you are not licensed to do them makes me kind of wonder if all of the rotations listed on the page are just a figment of someone's imagination.

We have hospital affiliation in Florida, Miami. Florida is like NY. Our students can do rotations there but cannot get licensed.

finishingfifth
08-24-2007, 11:39 PM
OK, lets make this easier.

RL can just simply list the names of the Hospitals, and their corresponding ACGME residencies. That way we can know exactly where CMU has clinical agreements. I am sure they wouldnt confuse non-affiliated preceptors with an ACGME approved rotation.
BTW, how did you convince hospitals to give you rotations without being listed in IMED, you must be a great salesman.

In the meantime, I am sure Florida can be removed from that list.

emt036
08-24-2007, 11:42 PM
We have hospital affiliation in Florida, Miami. Florida is like NY. Our students can do rotations there but cannot get licensed.

Then why are all the medical schools labeled as "Medical Clerkships - Doctoral (Clinical Clerkship)"?

finishingfifth
08-24-2007, 11:43 PM
We have hospital affiliation in Florida, Miami. Florida is like NY. Our students can do rotations there but cannot get licensed.

Well, as of this moment, your students cant be licensed anywhere in the USA. You have to be currently listed in IMED to gain licensure. As a lifelong resident of NY, I know that they are a lenient state when it comes to licensure. Pass the steps and come from an IMED/WHO school, 3 years or residency, and you will probably get licensed.

IMG SURVIVOR
08-24-2007, 11:44 PM
Then why are all the medical schools labeled as "Medical Clerkships - Doctoral (Clinical Clerkship)"?

The school need to be approve by the country as a medical school first:rolleyes:

emt036
08-24-2007, 11:49 PM
The school need to be approve by the country as a medical school first:rolleyes:
Yes, but RL's contention was that CMU did not need FL's approval for clinical clerkships, and this is obviously not the case.

IMG SURVIVOR
08-24-2007, 11:54 PM
Yes, but RL's contention was that CMU did not need FL's approval for clinical clerkships, and this is obviously not the case.
Shhhhhh, he might read this. :behindco:

emt036
08-24-2007, 11:59 PM
Shhhhhh, he might read this. :behindco:
I hope that he does so that he can answer my question, and not avoid it as usual.

IMG SURVIVOR
08-25-2007, 12:04 AM
I hope that he does so that he can answer my question, and not avoid it as usual.

:-teeter:lurking:

emt036
08-25-2007, 12:07 AM
:-teeter:lurking:


The use of too many smileys is a violation of the TOS. I am appointing myself moderator, and will give you an infraction.

Note: This is just a parody. Not to be taken seriously. :)

rlewkowski
08-25-2007, 12:09 AM
As a lifelong resident of NY ...

Then how come you are browsing our website from other state? Caught in a lie?

MYMD
08-25-2007, 12:10 AM
The use of too many smileys is a violation of the TOS. I am appointing myself moderator, and will give you an infraction.

Note: This is just a parody. Not to be taken seriously. :)

OK being Happy is now a violation then I'm not violating here :twisted:

IMG SURVIVOR
08-25-2007, 12:14 AM
Then how come you are browsing our website from Louisiana? Caught in a lie?

Can you post that type of information?:rolleyes:, err personal information?

emt036
08-25-2007, 12:14 AM
Then how come you are browsing our website from Louisiana? Caught in a lie?

You have access to the VMD server logs? Or are you talking about cmumed.org? How are you associated the VMD screen name with an IP in the cmumed.org logs? Pretty near impossible, I would think....

emt036
08-25-2007, 12:15 AM
Can you post that type of information?:rolleyes:, err personal information?

Actually, I believe a user's location would be considered personal information if they have not posted it themselves...

dt
08-25-2007, 12:16 AM
Then how come you are browsing our website from Louisiana? Caught in a lie?


So you keep track of IPs browsing your website?

How do you know the IP address resolves to Louisiana? Could be the service provider. Could be you are using a faulty/inaccurate tracking problem.

And, a "lifelong resident" doesnt mean he/she cant visit elsewhere... lol

finishingfifth
08-25-2007, 12:20 AM
Then how come you are browsing our website from Louisiana? Caught in a lie?

Well, its simple. I am doing a rotation in louisiana. Actually, I am doing several. At a major university center. I was born in queens, grew up on long island. My wife is a resident here in louisiana, so we moved in late june. I have nothing to hide. However, I would have rather you didnt post that. I am sure that if it is a violation of TOS, the mods will handle it. Please, do come visit this great state one day. The shrimp gumbo is fantastic.
So now that you are done tracing my IP, you can get back to listing all the affiliated hospitals CMU has available for rotations.

IMG SURVIVOR
08-25-2007, 12:24 AM
Well, its simple. I am doing a rotation in Louisiana. Actually, I am doing several. At a major university center. I was born in queens, grew up on long island. My wife is a resident here in louisiana, so we moved in late june. I have nothing to hide. However, I would have rather you didnt post that. I am sure that if it is a violation of TOS, the mods will handle it. Please, do come visit this great state one day. The shrimp gumbo is fantastic.

Remember the ! triangle bottom at the right.

dt
08-25-2007, 12:24 AM
You have access to the VMD server logs? Or are you talking about cmumed.org? How are you associated the VMD screen name with an IP in the cmumed.org logs? Pretty near impossible, I would think....


I think there are very few people who visits his website. By elimination and monitoring the posts, he can probably figure out who is the most likely poster to visit his site at around the time of the posts.

From this, I assume RL is not a stupid guy. So, misrepresenting the charter makes it a more deliberate [insert your choice of word here] act.

dt
08-25-2007, 12:26 AM
Well, its simple. I am doing a rotation in Louisiana. Actually, I am doing several. At a major university center. I was born in queens, grew up on long island. My wife is a resident here in louisiana, so we moved in late june. I have nothing to hide. However, I would have rather you didnt post that. I am sure that if it is a violation of TOS, the mods will handle it. Please, do come visit this great state one day. The shrimp gumbo is fantastic.
So now that you are done tracing my IP, you can get back to listing all the affiliated hospitals CMU has available for rotations.


Well, I dont think this is a violation now that you posted more info...

finishingfifth
08-25-2007, 12:28 AM
Well, I dont think this is a violation now that you posted more info...

Its OK, unlike RL, I tell the truth. Even if that means backing up my words.

rokshana
08-25-2007, 12:30 AM
Well, I dont think this is a violation now that you posted more info...

well no its not a violation if fifth posts it himself - however IF RL (or anyone else does) i believe that could be considered a posting of personal information.

finishingfifth
08-25-2007, 12:34 AM
well no its not a violation if fifth posts it himself - however IF RL (or anyone else does) i believe that could be considered a posting of personal information.

I didnt volunteer the info,, he just posted it. In response to his accusation ("caught in a lie") I felt disclosing my current circumstance would negate his claim. How he got my IP, I dunno. Proabably because I was the only guy on the CMU site when I posted about its deceitful nature. So RL do you trace all the IP's of visitors to your site?

I can not beleive this guy is a school official. It boggles the mind.

rlewkowski
08-25-2007, 12:39 AM
So RL do you trace all the IP's of visitors to your site?


Yes, we do. The ip addresses and relevant information is considered public not private information, therefore I don’t agree with the infraction.

finishingfifth
08-25-2007, 12:43 AM
Yes, we do.

Why bother doing that? Why not use that time making a website that is 100% accurate. No distortions, no "we are in the process of". How about just the plain facts, with evidence to back those facts up.

emt036
08-25-2007, 12:44 AM
We have hospital affiliation in Florida, Miami. Florida is like NY. Our students can do rotations there but cannot get licensed.

While this has been an interesting diversion, we forgot to answer why it was claimed that students can do rotations in FL despite not being approved by the FL DOE?

And I missed it before - why is FL like NY? Why is it claimed that CMU students can do rotations in NY? Even on CMU's website it states that they haven't even applied for NY approval yet (this may be the first true thing on the website, save for the fact that CMU students can't do rotations anywhere right now due to lack of charter/IMED/USMLE/etc).

finishingfifth
08-25-2007, 12:46 AM
While this has been an interesting diversion, we forgot to answer why it was claimed that students can do rotations in FL despite not being approved by the FL DOE?

And I missed it before - why is FL like NY? Why is it claimed that CMU students can do rotations in NY? Even on CMU's website it states that they haven't even applied for NY approval yet (this may be the first true thing on the website, save for the fact that CMU students can't do rotations anywhere right now due to lack of charter/IMED/USMLE/etc).

dang it, you are right. He sidetracked me. He is a master of changing the subject.

IMG SURVIVOR
08-25-2007, 12:46 AM
Actually, I believe a user's location would be considered personal information if they have not posted it themselves...
Dude I'm a mod:rolleyes: It was a rhetorical question.

But thanks for the review :mrgreen:

emt036
08-25-2007, 12:46 AM
Yes, we do. The ip addresses and relevant information is considered public not private information, therefore I donít agree with the infraction.

The IP addresses from which people post from are private information, hence they are not displayed along side the posts, and only the board's admins/mods have access to that information.

rlewkowski
08-25-2007, 12:47 AM
Why bother doing that? Why not use that time making a website that is 100% accurate. No distortions, no "we are in the process of". How about just the plain facts, with evidence to back those facts up.

The servers are keeping logs, so its done automatically.

emt036
08-25-2007, 12:48 AM
Dude I'm a mod:rolleyes: It was a rhetorical question.

But thanks for the review :mrgreen:


My apologies, I didn't realize it was rhetorical. I figured if there wasn't a question, the infraction would have been given without discussion. No problem, glad to help out. :-)

emt036
08-25-2007, 12:51 AM
The servers are keeping logs, so its done automatically.

But combing through the logs, looking at the date/time stamps, GET requests, and figuring out where a user is posting from is not.

Darn it, I got sidetracked again.

finishingfifth
08-25-2007, 12:52 AM
The servers are keeping logs, so its done automatically.

Well, I can rest easy knowing you are aware of my open nature. I am flattered you decided check the logs to find out my location. You must have one heck of a crush on me (its OK, you are only human.) So, I was not caught in a lie. So, now, how about that list of your affiliated hospitals for clinicals.

dt
08-25-2007, 12:53 AM
Yes, we do. The ip addresses and relevant information is considered public not private information, therefore I donít agree with the infraction.

I too do not agree with the infraction. RL was guessing about the link between fifth and location.

So, Rl got it right and it costed him.

emt036
08-25-2007, 12:55 AM
I too do not agree with the infraction. RL was guessing about the link between fifth and location.

So, Rl got it right and it costed him.

Even if he got it wrong, it would still be a TOS violation for posting personal information, and fifth didn't have to confirm it, but he did.

dt
08-25-2007, 12:58 AM
Even if he got it wrong, it would still be a TOS violation for posting personal information, and fifth didn't have to confirm it, but he did.


If it was wrong, it cant be personal info. How can a wrong address be your personal info?


Added on edit:
For eg, if I wrote "hey how come you're posting from the moon colony of alphazeta" that's your personal info?

okay, last post from me on this...

rokshana
08-25-2007, 12:59 AM
Well, I can rest easy knowing you are aware of my open nature. I am flattered you decided check the logs to find out my location. You must have one heck of a crush on me (its OK, you are only human.) So, I was not caught in a lie. So, now, how about that list of your affiliated hospitals for clinicals.


no, no i believe he has a crush on ME!!!

and boy- you guys get sidetracked easy!! the question at hand is

clinicals....
in FLA.....
and CMU has no approval in that state (or NY either!) to do said clinicals

so why is the claim on their website???

ok!
discuss!!

emt036
08-25-2007, 01:00 AM
Because it's someone's personal info, perhaps one of the other VMD members...

IMG SURVIVOR
08-25-2007, 01:04 AM
clinicals....
in FLA.....
and CMU has no approval in that state (or NY either!) to do said clinicals

so why is the claim on their website???
ok!
discuss!!

How many licks do we need to get to the middle of the topsy roll?
The world may never know.
Something like that a TV commercial.

dt
08-25-2007, 01:15 AM
How many licks do we need to get to the middle of the topsy roll?
The world may never know.
Something like that a TV commercial.

The answer is none. You can use a hammer to crack it.

As for CMU clinicals listing on their website, it'll probably stay, if past practice is any indication, for several more months.

rlewkowski
08-25-2007, 01:18 AM
I too do not agree with the infraction. RL was guessing about the link between fifth and location.

So, Rl got it right and it costed him.

This is how the infractions work, I guess. I’m sure I would have gotten one for asking if fifth was posting from U.S. since if a state is considered personal information so is the country.

MYMD
08-25-2007, 07:23 AM
The IP addresses from which people post from are private information, hence they are not displayed along side the posts, and only the board's admins/mods have access to that information. I've never understood why people want this to be private because it is not really? You leave a trace at every web site you visit even IP adresses bounced to try to hide the location can be traced back to the source. How do you think the FBI and NSA are able to trace people? Sex offenders and all? And why do posters here need to hide where they are? What state? Is not a state big enough? Heck I post that I'm in GA all the time, do I post Address and phone? No!
That is different. But to worry about this seems silly to me and to try to say you are in Maine when you are in Miami ? Makes me think there is something to hide when so many say there isn't.

Scott1981
08-25-2007, 09:43 AM
im sure if RL looks through his records, he would notice that somebody from edison, new jersey and fargo, north dakota browsed through his website. that would be me, even though i have never been to either place before. in the day and age of verizon broadband, ip address designates mean nothing.

rlewkowski
08-25-2007, 10:27 AM
I've never understood why people want this to be private because it is not really? You leave a trace at every web site you visit even IP adresses bounced to try to hide the location can be traced back to the source. How do you think the FBI and NSA are able to trace people? Sex offenders and all? And why do posters here need to hide where they are? What state? Is not a state big enough? Heck I post that I'm in GA all the time, do I post Address and phone? No!
That is different. But to worry about this seems silly to me and to try to say you are in Maine when you are in Miami ? Makes me think there is something to hide when so many say there isn't.

Great post.
Most of the forums publish basic user info, such as location, state, IP.

emt036
08-25-2007, 10:39 AM
Great post.
Most of the forums publish basic user info, such as location, state, IP.

Actually, most forums do not publish this information, since it is considered private, and users can elect to publish their location, but are not required to. Not even your own forum on the CMU website publishes IP addresses. I encourage you to back up your statement that most forums require the publishing of location and IP.

finishingfifth
08-25-2007, 10:42 AM
You want to know what a great post would be? How about posting exactly where you have clinical clerkiships available. The hospitals, the residency programs they are associated with. Not just a list of random states (2 of which you had to remove because it was obvious you were lying). Please, list the hospitals. Stop ignoring the real issues. WHERE DOES CMU OFFER CLINICAL CLERKSHIPS? (dont lie this time, you know we are going to check.)

emt036
08-25-2007, 10:44 AM
I've never understood why people want this to be private because it is not really? You leave a trace at every web site you visit even IP adresses bounced to try to hide the location can be traced back to the source. How do you think the FBI and NSA are able to trace people? Sex offenders and all? And why do posters here need to hide where they are? What state? Is not a state big enough? Heck I post that I'm in GA all the time, do I post Address and phone? No!
That is different. But to worry about this seems silly to me and to try to say you are in Maine when you are in Miami ? Makes me think there is something to hide when so many say there isn't.

Because some people may not wish to post this information, and that is their right to privacy. Also, IP addresses should not be public knowledge to regular forum users because they can be used to perpetrate computer attacks, such as Denial of Service, viruses, etc.

rlewkowski
08-25-2007, 10:48 AM
You want to know what a great post would be? How about posting exactly where you have clinical clerkiships available. The hospitals, the residency programs they are associated with. Not just a list of random states (2 of which you had to remove because it was obvious you were lying). Please, list the hospitals. Stop ignoring the real issues. WHERE DOES CMU OFFER CLINICAL CLERKSHIPS? (dont lie this time, you know we are going to check.)

http://www.valuemd.com/caribbean-medical-university-cmu/141873-will-cmu-around-one-yar-now.html#post659853

emt036
08-25-2007, 10:49 AM
Yup, he seems to have avoided it again... Maybe there is too much confusion, as there are two conversations going on at the same time in this thread. Perhaps a mod could split out the posts regarding the location on clinical rotations into a new thread to make it easier to follow.

finishingfifth
08-25-2007, 10:50 AM
uh, what is that a link to. it took me to the poll already listed on the site. I asked for a comprehensive list of your clinical rotation sites and hospitals. Sometheing you refuse to provide. Is it because it doesn't exist?

emt036
08-25-2007, 10:51 AM
http://www.valuemd.com/caribbean-medical-university-cmu/141873-will-cmu-around-one-yar-now.html#post659853
So is this you saying that you will refuse to answer any question of substance which directly pertinent to students of the school, and instead will just post complaints about getting infractions for violating the TOS?

Where are those manpants when you need them?

MYMD
08-25-2007, 11:02 AM
Because some people may not wish to post this information, and that is their right to privacy. Also, IP addresses should not be public knowledge to regular forum users because they can be used to perpetrate computer attacks, such as Denial of Service, viruses, etc.
Yea I understand VMD is very hostile,for some reason there are tons of agents on here? For the life of me I don't know why? I was very naive just a few years ago but have come to understand the Web is like the wild west.

rlewkowski
08-25-2007, 11:09 AM
So is this you saying that you will refuse to answer any question of substance which directly pertinent to students of the school, and instead will just post complaints about getting infractions for violating the TOS?

Where are those manpants when you need them?

I'll answer all questions, even thought ones, posted by users that are not using offensive language /liar, scam, etc./

rlewkowski
08-25-2007, 11:12 AM
Yea I understand VMD is very hostile,for some reason there are tons of agents on here? For the life of me I don't know why? I was very naive just a few years ago but have come to understand the Web is like the wild west.

I agree, there are tons of them here, but there is nothing we can do.
Just keep up the good work.
Best wishes to you.

finishingfifth
08-25-2007, 11:15 AM
I'll answer all questions, even thought ones, posted by users that are not using offensive language /liar, scam, etc./

So if someone else asked the questions you would answer?

rlewkowski
08-25-2007, 11:18 AM
So if someone else asked the questions you would answer?

I will, however someone who wasn’t using insulting worlds.

dt
08-25-2007, 11:20 AM
Yea I understand VMD is very hostile,for some reason there are tons of agents on here? For the life of me I don't know why? I was very naive just a few years ago but have come to understand the Web is like the wild west.

I like the wild west. One can learn a lot.

Just dont get too jaded. hahaha...

finishingfifth
08-25-2007, 11:21 AM
I will, however someone who wasnít using insulting worlds.

Please, someone else ask the same questions (someone on RL's list of approved posters) so we can get an answer.

He wont answer mine...the reason? Because I have called him a liar. Prove me wrong.

emt036
08-25-2007, 11:22 AM
I will, however someone who wasn’t using insulting worlds.
I doubt it. Just another deflection ploy. I don't think there has been anyone that has posted on this forum that hasn't seen the reality of this school, therefore there is nobody that would meet the criteria to get an answer. Unfortunately, rl appears to think that reality is somehow insulting.

stephew
08-25-2007, 02:42 PM
I will, however someone who wasnít using insulting worlds.

ok then fair enough.
Could you kindly answer the IMED application/listing questions that were previously posed? Is the school listed? Has the school sent in an application? if so has the application been given? Pending? Denied at any point. Thank you in advance for the explicit answers to these questions.

studentdoctobe
09-17-2007, 01:50 PM
Speaking of CMU website, I would like to suggest that we could help the "web crawlers" find and catalog these posts by our reference specifically to Caribbean Medical University versus CMU.

:mrgreen:

It's working (http://www.google.com/search?q=*****+*********+Caribbean+Medical+Univers ity&hl=en&start=20&sa=N&filter=0)..................:twisted:







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