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    The following text is from the school itself;

    June 13, 2005

    Dear All,

    As a result of numerous inquiries regarding a letter circulating from the Florida Commission of Independent Education (CIE), we wish to supply more information that will help answer students? questions and concerns.

    The circulating letter was one out of numerous communications over a 12-month period during application with the CIE to participate in clerkships. This correspondence was a working document having 15 points, that during the process of answering hundreds of questions, we were asked to provide supplemental information in order to satisfy. Information was submitted to satisfy all these objectives except for the one point requiring ?accreditation? by either the Department of Education or an agency recognized by the DOE. Since our program is not currently and would not be ?accredited? within the 6 months the CIE required, the CIE on that point denied our ability to participate in unlimited rotations. It did not matter that materials for the other points had been received nor was the CIE obligated to provide correspondence stating that all points except ?accreditation? were satisfied.

    The reason for applying to the CIE was to expand the availability of clinical clerkships from a status of being able to participate in occasional clerkships (4 to 8 weeks) with pre-approval by the CIE to having the opportunity to invite students to a full course of clinical clerkships (72 weeks) should they be organized in the teaching hospitals in the state of Florida. It was not to have the ability for students to become eligible for residency or full licensure in Florida. Had we never applied to the CIE for the expanded opportunities for clerkships we would still and are still eligible to participate in some rotations in Florida, but only on an occasional basis and with knowledge by the CIE first as to who is doing what and where. (A student could and still can participate in a 4-8 week rotation in Florida; leave to another location and come back later to participate in another rotation. This is described by the CIE as occasional and prevents students from the long term back-to-back rotations that we try to organize and that students prefer.)

    In the time from receiving a 12-month provisional approval to the renewal process for extended license to perform unlimited rotations, the rules committee of the CIE had a major rewriting of their rules which included a strengthening of the position for accreditation since the State Medical Board did not want jurisdiction or oversight of students invited into Florida for clinical training from non-US medical schools. These rules were implemented in early 2004 after we received our provisional approval in mid 2003. We continue to have ongoing discussion regarding the specific point requiring accreditation with the CIE and that this specific requirement for this purpose is not appropriate. Other schools previously approved for full clinical opportunities in Florida are grandfathered until such time of their renewal application when they will have to abide by these new standards.

    The bottom line of this process is; we remain eligible and can continue to participate in occasional clinical rotations as described above. Students can therefore do some rotations in Florida and continue to be eligible to apply for residency positions and subsequently apply for full license after the completion of their residency training and in possession of the appropriate credentials.

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    St. Eustatius is misrepresenting the facts on FLA

    Sint Eustatius is misrepresenting the facts. On May 9, 2005, the Florida Department of Education denied St. Eustatius School of Medicine’s Annual License, citing numerous violations.



    You can get a copy of the ruling by writing to:



    Request for Public Record

    Attn: Susan Hood

    Florida Department of Education

    Commission on Independent Education

    2650 Apalachee Parkway Suite A
    Tallahassee, Florida 32301

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    Statia MSIV about Florida.

    As a graduating Statia student (only a few electives left), I can just tell everbody here that this new thread sounds like just another school-bashing thread, but simply advanced to a different level. I just want to say this:


    *I have heard about the Florida issue for a long time. this is neither news to Statias, nor many other schools. Not being from Florida myself, I cannot say what the realities are, but I do not think (which someone else here seem to imply), that there is a conspiracy pattern of fraudulent behaviour here. All I can say is for anyone concerned about this to talk directly to Marc ****** or Ronya at the clinical office and state your genuine concern and more so. Also it is easy to contact any attorney in the state of Florida and have him/her find out. Personally, I would NOT feel comfortable going to Florida for a rotation before I knew FOR SURE that it would not put me in troubled waters of any kind.

    *Talk to your fellow students, especially the ones in clinicals. I have always had very good communication with them all and I feel we are being as supportive of each other as we can be. Also, talk to Ronya or Marc directly and RAISE YOUR CONCERNS. The worst thing that is going to happen is...(I don't know), for sure they will not shoot you, kick you out of the school or send you to the South Pole for the rest of your rotations.

    *Be critical of anyone outside the school that is trying to imply vague conspiracies where none exist. I am not telling you to think everyone at Statia are Mother Theresa's, but most of the people that come from outside to our forum with sole purpose of "raising their concerns" or"sharing their experience" or "stating facts" have other agendas as well. I am not saying everyone, just be as sceptical of these "journalists" as you are of anything else in life. With the history of vicous hatred fueled by some obscure vengeance needs raised from another school to the northwest of Statia, half the slander is clearly directed to hurt Sint Eustatius and has been so for years. Despite all these attacks the school is up and going fine and I have no regrets for choosing this school at all. Sint Eustatius is trending very positively up as long as I have been at the school, but you will not see Glamour-like daily advances, but rather slow, steady, but sure progress. I prefer that any time to roller-coaster sensationalism as is seen many other places.

    *Be proactive about your clinicals and even though the school WILL set you up, you can do ALOT to facillitate your own path. Take a calender and sit down and try to work things out. You will have to do some phone-calling and emailing to Ronya, but it will pay off. Don't feel you are bothering anyone or seen as "B-i-thc--ing" to much when you are just raising concerns. We are all in this together and the schools best assets for future growth is neither faculty, clinicals or staff, but broad satisfaction among students.

    *Last word here. I did ALL my rotations in US teaching hospitals specific for that rotation (I did Surgery at a hospital with surgery residents, IM with IM residents and so on)... All the way, I have been with other students, mainly from Statia, Ross and a few Saba and MUA). All paperwork has been very legit and strict from every hospitals medical education office. In most, if not all my rotations I had medical students from regular US schools along. I have had two weeks off in all my rotations, simply because I desired so. Of all my clinical friends at Statia, I do not know anyone that haven't had green rotations to the bone, unless they requested otherwise (for example, doing surgery at a place without residents to get some studying time, if they are not interested in surgery) and do not need all green book rotations due to the state they want to practice in and so on..

    Know some of these posts are a bit off the topic here, but I just wanted to regurgitate the point here that nobody is trying to S**** anyone over here. It is completely illogical of the Statia admin to send someone to a rotation that will put the entire school in jeopardy, just to make a few extra bucks. Don't let anyone sell you this idea unless:

    ---They are a Statis/former StatIa student and can back their story up.

    ---They are able to explain this with a logical reasoning. A lot of emotions run high regarding clinicals, licensure and legal stuff ,but just keep your mind cool and think to yourself.

    Just to give another example here of what i am saying: last week, as I was studying at a Borders cafe' , I met another foreign student I did a rotation with a while back. I honeslty do not know his school since I never asked and really don't care either, but it soon turned out that he had come to "ask me" why students from Statia "are not liked at hospital X". He knew "several Statia students there" that had been denied electives there. This being a concern to me, since I actually intend to do one elective there, I wanted to know who these students were, but he didn't know. SInce I also know most students from Statia in my area (not more than 10-15), I just wanted to know what was the problem. He ended up implying that my administration did not pay for the rotations and the hospital "didn't like that". So I called my school colleague Y that happened to do rotations at that hospital and told him what I had heard and she said she would ask the medical education there. The coordinator then gave her a list of all the electives foreign students could do and further said that if we wanted to do cores it was arranged on a case-by-case basis. So it turned out that all this talk I was poisoned with on a peaceful Saturday for no reason whatsoever was just another grape of hearsay. Next time, I intend to ask the same "gentleman" who told him these "facts" and if he is "protecting his sources", I will surely pursue this rumormill further.




    &&&&LASTLY&&&&&&&&
    There might be a time when you should willingly submit yourself to the shephard and act like the other sheep in the flock without using your brain. However, it is NOT after you have had the resolve to follow your dreams to the extent of puting down two small years of your life on an island smaller than the one Napoleon was banished to Think yourself, take advice, listen to rumours as much as you want, but THINK FOR YOURSELF, IDENTIFY THE PROBLEMS FOR YOURSELF AND FIND FACTS YOURSELF...(btw, the last line could be said about being a senior medical student as well).



    Good luck everybody and just read what I said, but THINK FOR YOURSELF!!!
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    Thank you for the honest and heartfelt post.

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    Are there any updates on this Florida issue?

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    students can not rotate in florida because, according to florida law in order to be able to do so; the school must be accredited in its own country. as of now i do not believe that we have accreditation in the dutch antilles. However, once we do get that I believe then we will be able to rotate in florida.

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    as of may 08 we could not rotate in Florida, but we can do residency there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carver View Post
    as of may 08 we could not rotate in Florida, but we can do residency there.

    Is is still b/c of the reason jrok said above?

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    once you finish school you can do your residency there and practice, but you can NOT DO CLINICAL ROTATIONS

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