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    Electives in England and the US system

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    I have one more core left to do here in England-will be finished on December 5th. Anyway, does anyone have any experience or know of anyone that has done all their cores and electives in England and gone on to residency without major trauma once they finally got back to the US? Major trauma as in not knowing the US system or feeling really behind their intern counterparts? Is it possible to catch up as in the knowing the US system relatively quickly during your internship? I am seriously pondering coming back to England to finish my electives-I will have only 5mos left (its a long story and I know that electives is 30 weeks). I plan on going into primary care and do not want to put my career in jeopardy. Thanks for your help.

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    UK vs US clinicals

    Listen it is a myth that doing rotations in the UK will give you less chance here. (ok this may be true for very competative programs like ortho, optho, derm, etc) but for most its not.
    Look residency prg are looking for 3 things in general:
    1. USMLE Score - for primary care passing is usually enough, but try to get the best you can.
    2. Letters of Rec - try to get one from a US doc if you can. The other from the field that you want to be in and the place where you did most of your rotations.
    3. Your personality - meaning will you get along with the other residents that are there now and with the attentings.

    Here is the fact: the UK relies less on tech stuff so they put really push the Clinical Skills - can your diagnose with out all the high tech. Now if youre going into primary care then this is perfect for you. You're gonna be in a Dr office and will have to make diagnosis based on your skills and knowledege rather than havign high tech hospital equipment figure it out for you. Doing rotation in the UK you will be twice as good as your US counter part in taking a history and physical( the meat of medicine)

    What you are missing in the UK? well you are missing how to wirte a SOAP -writing in the charts in US style. This can be learned in three weeks.
    I would recommend that you do 6 to 12 weeks in the US, and you can even if you havent passed Step 1. Just finish all you can in the UK and then ask the school to place you in NY or CA for 6 to 12 wks.

    You wont be at a disadvantage, infact you will be saved from the high cost of living in NY, IL and CA, you will have twice the clinical skills, and in the UK you wont be given busy work by the over worked resident.
    You're in good company doign this 100's of AUC alumni took the same course( rem AUC didnt have so many US spots before)
    you'lll do fine
    take care

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    is this true?

    Telltom

    Thanks for the response. Is that true that AUC will let you do your last 12 weeks in the US without a passing score if I am about to finish? Just wondering. Are u a resident or a practicing physician? Its really good to see all of the successful AUC Dr's out there like possibly yourself, Faith, George, Anne, and whomever that Im missing. I hope to one day do the same as all of you for all of the persons coming afterwards.

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    No problem

    I did all my clinicals in the US. I know a lot of people who did them all in the UK. I didn't see that I had any advantage. What you really NEED to learn is how to do an exam, and how to interpret labs and physical findings. You can do that anywhere. Things like SOAP notes can be learned in a few minutes, and as stated, you will become proficient in a week or so. You won't learn anything about billing as a student anywhere, and likely won't learn any of that as a resident either. That is the most important thing you need to know in practice.

    Having done things in the UK does not affect your chances of getting a fellowship or even a good residency. The idea of making "contacts" is grossly overrated by people. I have yet to see anybody make any "contacts" that have been very helpful. G
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    contacts

    "For making contacts" is the reason I gave my parents for joining the Frat in undergrad. But all we ended up doing is drinking beer and get turned down by girls.
    "I got to have more cow bell!!"

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    contacts

    Quote Originally Posted by Flash
    But all we ended up doing is drinking beer and get turned down by girls.
    So how is that different than any other day????
    Finally beat Super Mario Bros within 7 mins.

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    :)

    But all we ended up doing is drinking beer and get turned down by girls.
    lol, Flash you kill me.

    One big factor on why I might not do my clinicals in the UK is we would like to be near family. Also wanting to build contacts to get into a CA residency. I'm wondering how much of a factor building contacts is?

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