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    I heard that AUC has a very bad reputatoin in sending students to England for clinical rotations instead of US, Is that true? I cannot travel to UK. So, Are they going to give you options for the clinical sites?

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    OK, again....I'm sure this post will have an abundance of rude replies, but know that what I say has been backed by both an AUC alum AND a physician who works at an AUC affiliated hospital...

    There are not enough clinical sites for all of the students entering at a given time. Thus a lot of students are forced to either sit home and wait for a start date at a US school, or go to the UK. A lot chooseto go to the UK so that they do not have to wait, but believe me when I say if you are trying for a more competitive residency (surgery, dermatology, etc.) DO NOT GO TO THE UK. Both of the physicians which I mentioned above stated that this can indeed hinder your chances of getting the more competitive residencies so don't let anyone tell you otherwise. The reason is that for one, certain things are done differently in the UK, thus you have to re-learn these things (ex: medications,certain practices in the hospital etc) when you get back and you don't want any extra burden on you. Next and more importantly, CONNECTIONS ARE VERY IMPORTANT. You never know when you may bump into someone who could potentially help you get that certain residency you want. Chances are, if you're in UK you miss out on some networking opportunities. Yes, you can do your electives in the US and make some connections, but why wait? The more the better. Anyway, now you'll see a hundred testimonials of people from this site who did their clinicals or know someone who did theirs in the UK and are now doing fine........people on here are so predictible lol. I again want to point out that I said "if you are going for one of the more COMPETITIVE residencies....".

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    Quote Originally Posted by esth0001
    I heard that AUC has a very bad reputatoin in sending students to England for clinical rotations instead of US, Is that true? I cannot travel to UK. So, Are they going to give you options for the clinical sites?

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    ban studentauc

    ban studentauc from answering clinical questions until he/she is there!...hehe there are slots in the US that go unfilled every year....if you want a site that only has one start date chances are you will wait or go somewhere else (either the other sites with multiple start dates or europe).

    why don't we take a poll of actual people in clinicals: how long did you wait for a site and what were you offered. that way you don't rely on info from a rumor stricken basic science student. i'l start: took step 1 december 20. i was offered ireland january 5. baltimore january 11. new york in the end of february. chicago in the end of march/begining april (can't remember) or i could get on the list for the sites with one start date in california/michigan. anyone else?


    "(surgery, dermatology, etc.) DO NOT GO TO THE UK. Both of the physicians which I mentioned above stated that this can indeed hinder your chances of getting the more competitive residencies"

    yes, in surgery just like in australia the toilets flush the other way...those europeans have thier insides on the opposite side...you'l have to learn surgery all over again. for derm they treat fungal infections and psoriasis with a walk around stonehege and a pint.


    "The reason is that for one, certain things are done differently in the UK, thus you have to re-learn these things (ex: medications,certain practices in the hospital etc"

    yes you actually have to know the generic name for meds...when you get to the US OMG! you have to know the brand names and the pharmacist has to know the generic! yes they use different note taking...oh by the way i was freaked out by all the talk about SOAP notes...let me just say that anyone who can not write a soap note by the end of thier first day on a rotation should automatically have their license revoked before its even issued...you would have to be an absolute putz, or SC student, to not be able to figure it out within two hours,one of them being lunch and a 30 minute break to flirt/talk to the nurses.......


    in all honesty, take everyithing studentauc says very seriously because he/she makes very good points but double check it with people you personally know or some residents b/c he/she has a tendency to exaggerate, from everyone at AUC takes 20 semesters to finish, to they force you and sexually molest you to go to UK and there are no slots in the US and you have to work out of a methadone clinic in queens and give free rides to the patients in between scrubbing the floors and trying to see a patient.....

    good points he/she makes but are blunted:
    1) clinical US slots. count them up yourself from the 5th semester catalog you will see that there are more than enough
    2)tough residencies. they are tough to get. you need good board scores and a good personality. you need to try and do a 4th year elective where you wanna apply.
    3)connections. see number two. as a third year no one above resident will take much notice of you unless you do something wrong, even if you do meet the chief of X residency what are the chances he/she will remember you a year later? your 4th year electives are your residency auditions (from what everyone has always told me, even US med students)

    i can not wait until studentauc is finally ready for clinicals and they can post all the horror stories about the waiting and the masochistic psychiatric torture that was inflicted to send him/her to england
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    Quote Originally Posted by StudentAUC.
    OK, again....I'm sure this post will have an abundance of rude replies, but know that what I say has been backed by both an AUC alum AND a physician who works at an AUC affiliated hospital...

    There are not enough clinical sites for all of the students entering at a given time. Thus a lot of students are forced to either sit home and wait for a start date at a US school, or go to the UK. A lot chooseto go to the UK so that they do not have to wait, but believe me when I say if you are trying for a more competitive residency (surgery, dermatology, etc.) DO NOT GO TO THE UK. Both of the physicians which I mentioned above stated that this can indeed hinder your chances of getting the more competitive residencies so don't let anyone tell you otherwise. The reason is that for one, certain things are done differently in the UK, thus you have to re-learn these things (ex: medications,certain practices in the hospital etc) when you get back and you don't want any extra burden on you. Next and more importantly, CONNECTIONS ARE VERY IMPORTANT. You never know when you may bump into someone who could potentially help you get that certain residency you want. Chances are, if you're in UK you miss out on some networking opportunities. Yes, you can do your electives in the US and make some connections, but why wait? The more the better. Anyway, now you'll see a hundred testimonials of people from this site who did their clinicals or know someone who did theirs in the UK and are now doing fine........people on here are so predictible lol. I again want to point out that I said "if you are going for one of the more COMPETITIVE residencies....".
    that same alum cant be a certain auc alum who does pediatric EM in colorado who teaches part of ICM.....he went to england and encouraged us to do the same. Next off youre going to need a hell of a lot more than "not going to england" to get into derm. Also, dont you think if you can say "you'll see a hundred testimonials....." that maybe your information is not accurate and maybe it doesnt hinder as much as you think.

    i think the only people you should ask questions about clinicals to are those in clinicals right now.....a lot has changed in the past couple years that some alums probably dont know about. Who would you ask questions about neurosurgery to.....a dude who has been in practice for 10 years or someone who stayed in a holiday inn express last night?
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    Quote Originally Posted by StudentAUC.
    OK, again....I'm sure this post will have an abundance of rude replies, but know that what I say has been backed by both an AUC alum AND a physician who works at an AUC affiliated hospital...

    There are not enough clinical sites for all of the students entering at a given time. Thus a lot of students are forced to either sit home and wait for a start date at a US school, or go to the UK. A lot chooseto go to the UK so that they do not have to wait, but believe me when I say if you are trying for a more competitive residency (surgery, dermatology, etc.) DO NOT GO TO THE UK. Both of the physicians which I mentioned above stated that this can indeed hinder your chances of getting the more competitive residencies so don't let anyone tell you otherwise. The reason is that for one, certain things are done differently in the UK, thus you have to re-learn these things (ex: medications,certain practices in the hospital etc) when you get back and you don't want any extra burden on you. Next and more importantly, CONNECTIONS ARE VERY IMPORTANT. You never know when you may bump into someone who could potentially help you get that certain residency you want. Chances are, if you're in UK you miss out on some networking opportunities. Yes, you can do your electives in the US and make some connections, but why wait? The more the better. Anyway, now you'll see a hundred testimonials of people from this site who did their clinicals or know someone who did theirs in the UK and are now doing fine........people on here are so predictible lol. I again want to point out that I said "if you are going for one of the more COMPETITIVE residencies....".
    Again? You are an outlier. I would agree that for competitive residencies you should stay in the US, since for those connections are, in fact, important. Even for US students. Most people aren't going for the more competitive residencies. In general, people should go to England if they so choose. It DOES NOT hurt you. I know a lot of people who CHOSE to go there, and have had no problems with it at all. England offers a very good education in general, although I am sure some sites do better than others. There are some drug names that are different. Not so much. It will take you a day or 2 to figure that out. I would love to hear from some of the alumni who went to England on this board. I'm sure it wouldn't convince StudentAUC of anything, though. G
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    the last start date for england and ireland was at the end of june 2005. there were two students that started in ireland and three that started in england. thats 5 students that choose to come here out of a lot of students that stayed in the states. i have been here a little over a month and cant begin to talk about all the great things about the area i am in. i simply love it here. the doctors i come into contact with are the best i have ever dealt with. 99% of the drugs that they use here are the same generic names that we learned in pharm class. i am not going to begin to speculate how being here will help me or hurt my carreer but i will say this.. i have learned so much in the month that i have been here that if i had to do it over, i would pick coming to england again. if writing a good soap note is the reason that someone should not come to the UK, then all i can say is: i learn fast.

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    PS. If anyone, including student auc, have any questions, concerns or maybe a "how do they do that" question about england, please dont hesitate to throw it my way. i will be sure to tell you the bad, the good, the evils and the greats of rotations in england

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    Quote Originally Posted by levator
    PS. If anyone, including student auc, have any questions, concerns or maybe a "how do they do that" question about england, please dont hesitate to throw it my way. i will be sure to tell you the bad, the good, the evils and the greats of rotations in england

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    how do they do that????? you know i heard in england they make incoming clinical students wear tutus
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    argh

    Ok..I just had to chime in on this one. studentAUC basically epitomizes a lot of what I saw as a student on the island. He/she is a total alarmist (the sky is falling!) and apparently believes anything negative about AUC that he/she hears. Just use your common sense and know that it almost never is as bad as people say. The more extreme one sounds, the more you should question the validity of what they are saying.

    I'm finishing up rotations in Ireland now and I can tell you that it has been an amazing experience. I wasn't coersed...in fact I almost had to beg our student director to add me as the 9th student on the roster here (normally 8 students).

    I don't know about England, but here in Ireland we use brand names as well as generic names for drugs so it's perfect in that we get exposure to the brand names while retaining the generic names we need for the USMLE.

    I just wish some alumni who went to Ireland/England who got competitive specialties frequented this board...I know they're out there. Please post on this thread so we can shut up studentauc once and for all!

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