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    Clinicals: Can you deny non-ACGME core rotations?

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    Is there flexibility regarding which core rotation you wish to take? It would really suck if I was forced to do a non-ACGME core.


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    (EM/IM/TY; Ob/Gyn) Alameda County Medical Center (Oakland, CA)
    (FM/ Ob/Gyn / Rad-Diag / TY) Aultman Hospital (Canton, OH)
    (IM/ Prev. Med. / TY;Surgery/FM) Griffin Hospital (Derby, CT)
    (EM/FM/IM/ Ob/Gyn /Psy/Surgery-Gen/TY) Kern Medical Center (Bakersfield, CA)
    (???Almost everything???) LSU HEALTH SCIENCE CENTER- SHREVEPORT BRENTWOOD BEHAVIORAL HEALTH COMPANY (Shreveport, LA)
    (Psy) Metropolitan State Hospital (Norwalk, CA)
    (FM/ Ob/Gyn / Pediatrics) Mount Sinai Medical Center (Chicago, IL)
    (FM/ Pediatrics ) Pomona Valley Hospital Medical Center (Pomona, CA)
    (FM/SportsMed/IM/ Ob/Gyn / Sugery/Plastic Surgery/Rad Diag/All core/All electives) Providence Hospital and Medical Centers (Southfield, MI)
    (IM/ Ob/Gyn / Rad Diag) Rochester General Hospital (Rochester, NY)
    (Psy) Spring Grove Hospital Center (Catonsville, MD)
    (IM/Surgery-Gen) St. Agnes Hospital (Baltimore, MD)
    (Surgery-Gen) St. Mary’s Hospital (Waterbury, CT)
    (FM) Tallahassee Memorial Medical Center (Tallahassee, FL)
    (IM/Ortho Surgery/ORS/Surgery-Gen) Union Memorial Hospital (Baltimore, MD)
    (FM/ Ob/Gyn / Pediatrics/ Surgery) Wyckoff Heights (Brooklyn, NY)
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    Total (16 Hospitals in USA)
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    All of them are ACGME... You just gotta know what they are affiliated with. (I"m too lazy to figure it out for ya, but trust me... ex. Griffin Hospital=Yale affiliated... so anything Yale has a residency in, that extends to Griffin's ACGME guidelines).

    Family practice has a "umbrella" where a bunch of primary care rotations can be done there and still be considered within the boundaries.

    FP=IM+FP+PEDS(maybe there is more)
    Like your example of Pomona.
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    Come again...

    I might sound like a noobie for saying the below, but here I go anyways:

    All of them are ACGME...
    Am I missing something? I wasn't able to find the red ones I listed above on
    http://www.acgme.org/adspublic/

    You just gotta know what they are affiliated with. (I"m too lazy to figure it out for ya, but trust me... ex. Griffin Hospital=Yale affiliated... so anything Yale has a residency in, that extends to Griffin's ACGME guidelines).
    Huh? Come again? I know that Griffin has a few ACGME programs, but what about the non-ACGME ones? So you're saying they're "equivalent" to ACGME? How would I verify this? And would it be acceptable, say to the Texas board?

    Family practice has a "umbrella" where a bunch of primary care rotations can be done there and still be considered within the boundaries.

    FP=IM+FP+PEDS(maybe there is more)
    Like your example of Pomona.
    Still confused. But I can be flexible with FM. Maybe, or maybe not AUC's web site is updated/not-updated, but I can atest that I've listed all US hospitals from AUC's web site as of October 15, 2004 and verified the programs where AUC's web site claims that you can do cores in against acgme.org's official listings... So either I've made (a) mistake(s) by highlighting the inconsistencies in red, or there is something I don't quite understand... Any one want to elaborate?
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    .....

    Sorry, that was as much effort as I am willing to exert today.
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    more effort!!!!

    come on, i wanna hear this

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    more effort!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by chris
    come on, i wanna hear this
    Why do you care? You're transferring to Ponce Medical school...
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    uh-uh

    Quote Originally Posted by ISMILE
    And would it be acceptable, say to the Texas board?
    Other states do consider rotations greenbook, if say you do a rotation in cardio it is considered to fall under the IM umbrella. My understanding is that Texas doesn't let you do that. You would have to do a specifically greenbook cardio rotation that's in the ACGME book.
    Since you're going to AUC, why not let them send you to the UK to do your rotations. You wouldn't have to wait for any rotations, and they would all be greenbook automatically. And you could stop by the pub for a pint and root for the Arsenal. 8)
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    Lets not forget my original question...

    Let's not forget my original question: Do you have a choice wrt AUC core rotations?

    Alas, it would seem that microphage is confusing hospital with rotation. A hospital can be ACGME say in FM but have no ACGME accreditation in surgery. Hence, attending a surgery core in that hospital would truly suck.

    I've wondered often why SGU is overpriced. If it is because SGU has 100% ACGME-accredited rotations, I might consider attending SGU instead (my interview for SGU is still pending)... Of course, unless AUC offers me a choice of wait-listing for ACGME cores, I wouldn't remain at AUC.
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    Lets not forget my original question...

    Quote Originally Posted by ISMILE
    Let's not forget my original question: Do you have a choice wrt AUC core rotations?

    Alas, it would seem that microphage is confusing hospital with rotation. A hospital can be ACGME say in FM but have no ACGME accreditation in surgery. Hence, attending a surgery core in that hospital would truly suck.

    I've wondered often why SGU is overpriced. If it is because SGU has 100% ACGME-accredited rotations, I might consider attending SGU instead (my interview for SGU is still pending)... Of course, unless AUC offers me a choice of wait-listing for ACGME cores, I wouldn't remain at AUC.
    Actually, I know what I'm talking about(usually). All of the cores at AUC are ACGME. The electives are a mixed up as it depends on where YOU want to go. AUC doesn't require that you do a Cardio rotation at a hospital that has a cardio fellowship and neither does 49 of the other states(or so I've been told).

    The most important thing is to do all your cores at hospitals that have ACGME. Say for example a hospital is affiliated with Harvard medical school but the hospital itself doesn't offer a psych residency, well, it doesn't matter since this hospital is still under the umbrella of Harvard medical school and it's residency programs.

    Get it now? (you made me type more than 2 paragraphs... you're gonna pay for this!!!)
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    clear it up for you

    all auc rotations and sgu's by the way are acgme. what micro failed to make come accross was the nature of the affiliation. for example the psych rotation at metropolitan state in calicornia is a site that is a residency site for the UCSF i beleive and is therefore greenbook. on the same note i beleive the sx/ped/obgyn in new york is affiliated with SUNY, and new haven with Yale. so you will not find them listed under the hospital but by the residency program they have.

    we were guaranteed all rotations are 100% acgme b/c they said some graduates had a hard time with licensure six or seven years ago and they had to send the school attorney just like for the colorado resident.

    peace. oh and double check the sites it's from memory
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