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    Bronx- Lebanon Shooting

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    news is reporting that of the 6 in critical condition that 3 are medical students. From when i rotated there 3 years ago, it had only been AUC students there, especially on the family medicine side. I went to AUC and there has been no mention about the medical students. Anybody know more?

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    Sorry to hear that. Hope all the students are safe there.

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    Is the following article what you are talking about?

    Are you talking about this? Disgraced doctor threatened former colleagues before rampage anyone clarify what happened? We are are focusing on the shooter, however, what was the reason he got mad? Who were the parties involved and why did they do what they did? It is no secret that people pull things all the time (people are doing power plays, especially with medicine, law and politics), and I am betting that there was a clear reason why it escalated to that point. If you aren't careful, the media will make the victims look like the aggressors. They should see if there was any validity to his claims, based on what I've seen, there probably was validity to his claims and he was justified in his anger. In the following article, 'We fired (Dr. Henry Bello) because he was kind of crazy. He promised to come ba they are saying they fired him for something he did AFTER he was fired. If you get screwed over, have your rights walked all over, and you are powerless to do something about it, of course, you'd be more than angry. This guy lost 4 years of his life and 100s of thousands of dollars, and their best excuse was 'he was kinda crazy'. Doesnt seem like an acceptable reason to me. That label will follow him, and a simple phone call from someone at that hospital that doesn't like him, will hurt his chances at getting a job, being able to pay back his student loan, or even make rent and provide for his family. Literally, his life was ruined by that firing (Ross isn't cheap). They are clearly using his reaction to quite possibly being wrongly fired, and the events leading up to it (which probably included false hospital gossip, rumours, hazing, ostracising, manipulated, being intentionally misled and sabotaged, taunting[being the subject of jokes/and bias, continuous questioning of motives, sabotaging of new friendships, unwanted communications with family and friends who were outside the hospital circle], unfair treatment, bullying, intrusive investigations (which the article clearly states were done via background checks), psychological tests, and more - then those people who did that to him, went upstream, and were rewarded for it[got promotions and raises, and even possibly made to look like the rational ones] and even justified doing what they did to him) to justify him getting mad. You are dealing with an organization of people known for overcharging, bringing in on average $300,000 yearly, people who on average come from families that are upper class to upper middle class and justifying taking that money it at the expense of well being of the public, you cannot trust what they say. This is a bunch of hospital PR and lies.
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    Based on the police record of the shooter, you're just plain wrong. Dude obviously had serious issues, and a history of them.

    Whether politics came into play, or not, is immaterial. One does not go into a hospital and start shooting people. Duh.

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeRogan View Post
    Are you talking about this? Disgraced doctor threatened former colleagues before rampage anyone clarify what happened? We are are focusing on the shooter, however, what was the reason he got mad? Who were the parties involved and why did they do what they did? It is no secret that people pull things all the time (people are doing power plays, especially with medicine, law and politics), and I am betting that there was a clear reason why it escalated to that point. If you aren't careful, the media will make the victims look like the aggressors. They should see if there was any validity to his claims, based on what I've seen, there probably was validity to his claims and he was justified in his anger. In the following article, 'We fired (Dr. Henry Bello) because he was kind of crazy. He promised to come ba they are saying they fired him for something he did AFTER he was fired. If you get screwed over, have your rights walked all over, and you are powerless to do something about it, of course, you'd be more than angry. This guy lost 4 years of his life and 100s of thousands of dollars, and their best excuse was 'he was kinda crazy'. Doesnt seem like an acceptable reason to me. That label will follow him, and a simple phone call from someone at that hospital that doesn't like him, will hurt his chances at getting a job, being able to pay back his student loan, or even make rent and provide for his family. Literally, his life was ruined by that firing (Ross isn't cheap). They are clearly using his reaction to quite possibly being wrongly fired, and the events leading up to it (which probably included false hospital gossip, rumours, hazing, ostracising, manipulated, being intentionally misled and sabotaged, taunting[being the subject of jokes/and bias, continuous questioning of motives, sabotaging of new friendships, unwanted communications with family and friends who were outside the hospital circle], unfair treatment, bullying, intrusive investigations (which the article clearly states were done via background checks), psychological tests, and more - then those people who did that to him, went upstream, and were rewarded for it[got promotions and raises, and even possibly made to look like the rational ones] and even justified doing what they did to him) to justify him getting mad. You are dealing with an organization of people known for overcharging, bringing in on average $300,000 yearly, people who on average come from families that are upper class to upper middle class and justifying taking that money it at the expense of well being of the public, you cannot trust what they say. This is a bunch of hospital PR and lies.

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    So you are saying that a person who has been screwed over should react in a way that the people that screwed them over (or people in power) want them to react? Genius.
    If that was the way things worked, Hitler and many more dictators would be doing just fine these days.

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    Ah, are you referring to the 23yo woman he was arrested for sexually assaulting? She was certainly screwed over.

    Threatening the lives of co-workers and being arrested for assaulting someone are usually pretty reliable ways to get oneself fired. I wasn't there, and I don't know any of the people involved. I will readily concede that it is possible that he was ganged up on and rounded out of residency for some reason. I don't know, and I doubt that you do, either.

    But holy hell, if you are saying that -- no matter WHAT -- this individual was somehow justified in shooting and killing a doctor, and shooting and injuring two medical students, two other doctors, and a patient... then you might need to re-think some things about life in general. Because that is messed up.

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    I am justifying the fact that he got angry with due cause. He reacted to an unfair situation, and after the hospital did wrong by him. He reacted by spouting the threats, which made no difference because he was clearly at the end of his career (everything up to that point had ruined him). He was accused, not arrested by those women - who might have even been friends (or the media is making it up to demonise him now that he is dead and can't defend himself). I know a lot of practising doctors who have done much worse, uttered threats privately, done bad things for real, and gone unpunished. I think the American media has brain washed you into thinking that if you have a position, you can pull nonsense without repercussions because everyone will react by following protocol. Some things are beyond forgiveness and cannot be taken back with money, apologies, or anything else. What I'm seeing is the possibility of systematic provocation. Then when he got mad, the provokers played the victims. Accusations like that are pretty permanent, they turn people against you and cause drama. Were people continuously messing with him? Systematically and intentionally, provoking him and then playing victim? Many of these doctors are sociopaths and borderline politicians, I've seen it. They are not good people. These medical criminals are pulling nonsense, then playing the victim when they are clearly in the wrong and hiding behind laws. But, people who follow these laws wont get justice because the laws are made to protect the very people who are secretly pulling nonsense and keeping them free of repercussions. Then they continue to do it, without fear, when in reality, they are the scum that hurt so many people. You are blindly believing these dishonest manipulative people that have media connections.
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    ANGRY is fine. ANGRY is no problem. ANGRY is good, if he was mistreated. But when he grabs a gun and shoots people, he's no longer got any support from me at all. Zero.

    Now, I have seen what you are talking about. An ugly underbelly exists -- not everywhere, mind, but it exists.

    I also take much/most of the US media with a grain of salt (as does much of the rest of the world, with the US dwindling at No. 43 on the World Freedom of the Press Index, between Burkina freaking Faso and Comoros... FORTY-THREE! That is shocking.). I get most of my news from overseas sources -- since I live overseas -- and away from the big players in US journalism.

    The police record was public record. It was reported by resources that I tend to trust. Is it possible that it was fabricated? Maybe, you have to believe in something. And hell, anyone who is willing to shoot innocent people in a hospital probably could be suspected of having a few other demons batting about the belfry. That is not hard to extrapolate.

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    A specialist shot in the neck by a disappointed ex-partner at Bronx-Lebanon Hospital was relied upon to be discharged Monday, while five different casualties remained hospitalized.

    Dr. Oluwafunmike Ojewoye, a moment year family pharmaceutical inhabitant and graduate of Temple University School of Medicine, avoided passing in the wake of being shot by Dr. Henry Bello, who killed himself after the assault on Friday.

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    Many thanks for this post, this is what I need, I will definitely try.

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