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    AUC a rip-off

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    Came across this article, though AUC has a rebuttal on their web site. Feel sorry for those that are caught up with huge debts. I personally know many ex-MD's from AUC/SGU/ROSS/AUA who are caught in this nightmare and stuck with loans to pay back and no residency. Also, I do not believe the attrition rate is not 20-25%, it is more like 40-50% if you ratio number of students that get residency vs numbers of students that step in first day and read some of the numbers on forums. Good business model though.


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    The drop out rate given by the school is right... at least for entering class of September 2012

    I am currently at AUC, in my 4th semester. I had an entrance GPA of 3.3 and a MCAT 20N(VR5,P6,B9) and English is my 3rd language. I passed all my classes. There were some challenge but it’s doable. The school does not try to fail us.

    From my first semester(September 2012), we were 211 in my anatomy class, a class that everyone in 1st semester was registered in.
    I compare that list of 211 students in anatomy with my current list in ICM4. 152 students from that initial list is doing ICM4(potentially 152 did not failed any class). In the balance of 59 that are not doing ICM4, I know personally 12 that fail at least 1 class but are still at AUC.

    Consequently, at least 164 students(152+12) from the original class of 211(sept 2012) still actively studying at AUC. With these figures, 164/211 = 77.7% are still at AUC. The potential drop out rate …47/211 = 22.3%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hale View Post
    Came across this article, though AUC has a rebuttal on their web site. Feel sorry for those that are caught up with huge debts. I personally know many ex-MD's from AUC/SGU/ROSS/AUA who are caught in this nightmare and stuck with loans to pay back and no residency. Also, I do not believe the attrition rate is not 20-25%, it is more like 40-50% if you ratio number of students that get residency vs numbers of students that step in first day and read some of the numbers on forums. Good business model though.


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    LOL, that article is a joke, It's completely bias, and does not paint a fair picture of the actual debt. Caribbean (4schools) make such a tiny/puny portion of the pie. It's laughable that they are looking for a scapegoat.

    forbes.com/sites/specialfeatures/2013/08/07/how-the-college-debt-is-crippling-students-parents-and-the-economy/

    Here are the real numbers.
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    I moved back to US after initial two month, finding rampant cheating, school being run as a Kaplan testing school than doing any teaching as such from day 1, low self esteem among students. I do not know what is the real attrition rate, everyone throws their own numbers. Basically, it is a very chaotic place where any time anybody can be dismissed. I see you guys responding to this thread were successful, congrats. I am happy I minimized my financial loses and took a U turn. I have since written my story to my congressman to influence any student aids fed gives to US students to study at such bogus places. It is good US is increasing number of med schools and increasing the number of seats.
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    The article also has no idea what residency is. They try to point out that as foreign grads we must complete at least three years in residency, whereas, US grads only need to complete one year post grad. They are just trying to put a negative spin on our school. Yes, we went to/are going to a for-profit school, however, our debt is equal to that of the majority of US medical school grads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hale View Post
    I moved back to US after initial two month, finding rampant cheating, school being run as a Kaplan testing school than doing any teaching as such from day 1, low self esteem among students. I do not know what is the real attrition rate, everyone throws their own numbers. Basically, it is a very chaotic place where any time anybody can be dismissed. I see you guys responding to this thread were successful, congrats. I am happy I minimized my financial loses and took a U turn. I have since written my story to my congressman to influence any student aids fed gives to US students to study at such bogus places. It is good US is increasing number of med schools and increasing the number of seats.
    I am sorry to hear that you have had a bad experience with AUC. Well studying medicine is pretty hard. Doing it in a foreign country is even harder. Our blocks of exams are really hard. However, medicine is not for everyone. One of our classmates tries really hard over 3 semesters and finish by failing 3 classes (18 credits) and had to leave. That’s sad but he was not suitable for our program.

    You knew that cheating was rampant after 2 months. The first semester is so hard for new comers, the stress is so intense trying to get use to live in a foreign country, with fewer commodities… Most of us can barely carry on the load of work during that time.

    Yes the self-esteem is low when we know the apartments are overpriced, the closest markets are just after our money, that we have little control on what is going on here. Self esteem is even lower when we’re failing. It’s hard to be beaten by the blocks. However, bouncing back and passing the class make you forget all the sorrow.

    Is that really true that anybody can be dismissed?

    Before being dismissed, a student has to fail 1 class twice OR fail 3 classes OR fail 18 credits. Even then the students pass in front of a committee to evaluate the reasons. I know personally a student that was allowed to stay after failing an entire semester (3 classes/18credits). This student is still at AUC.

    At mid semester, for each class that a student have less than 70%, this student receive a written warning and a list of tools this student can use to remediate to the situation. Are they trying so hard to dismissed the students?

    You said that the place is chaotic… it is sometimes. I agree.
    Is that school perfect? No. Do we feel it is a business? Yes.
    Do cheating is rampant? You’re the first I heard saying such thing in a year.
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    Didn't you read or do any research of the school and islands? Good luck re-applying to US schools, but I doubt you have the mental toughness for medicine.
    I should write my congressman thanking him/her for my financial loans.
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    QA Banks are sold for $75 on campus. What worst it could be? Anyway, I do understand some fireworks from folks in school. Good luck paying back your loans in years to come. Goodbye.

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    WOW! Very sour grapes from OP. Maybe the chances any caribbean medical school offered you was not to your liking, but at least you were given a "chance". If your GPA /MCAT was of the correct values you would have matriculated in a US MD/DO school, but we all know it was not. So you chose the caribbean route and the specific school, AUC, was for you a poor choice. That is on you. Maybe try another caribbean school, i.e. St James, UHMS.
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