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    Anyone thinking about going to AUC Needs to Read this!!

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    Hello,

    I am an former AUC student, who is stuck with an MD, $250,000 in debt, but no residency. I completed the first half of basic sciences and loved the school scoring a 225/96 on my step 1. I thought that it was amazing to be living out my dream as a doctor even though I could not get into a US medical school. However then I hit the total mess called clinical sciences at our school. Scheduling rotations was a disaster and my academic advisor who was supposed to help me schedule my rotations never responded to my emails or phone calls. In fact both my pediatric and ob-gyn cores were not schedule until november and december of my fourth year. The clinical science sites were very diverse with some being very good and some being very bad and extremely malignant towards students. I did not match into a residency at the conclusion of my fourth year so I took a prelim year. From that point forward AUC was done with me. Despite calling and emailing several of the schools deans and faculty members for advice (none of which answered or returned any of my calls or emails to date), I received no help or even advice regarding how to maximize my chances of obtaining a residency program in the future. When I finally did get in touch with one of the staff members at the clinical science office they told me that they could not help get me in contact with the faculty members at the various clinical sites I rotated at. They did however say that they would review my personal statements (finally some help). They made no mention of when to submit them or any mention of a deadline. When I emailed it to them two weeks later in July they never responded, after giving them a week they I called them back and they told me that they would not review it because it is July and they are busy doing other things (that is the AUC I know). Also when talking to said staff member about how many people that graduate from AUC do not receive residency she responded "quite a few" which is interesting because I have never heard any data about the percentage of people placing in residency only about that "100% first time usmle pass rate". This seems very misleading on their part.

    Listen, I know that I am bitter and that bitter people post on these boards complaining about things, but that is not why I am posting this.

    Anyone thinking about going to AUC needs to know that at least the second half of school is a total mess and that while some people have extremely positive experiences and match into some very nice spots, just as many have nightmare experiences like I just described. The scary part is you have no real say in the matter it is like rolling the dice at craps.

    ANYONE THINKING ABOUT GOING HERE NEEDS TO BE VERY CAREFUL BECAUSE YOU WILL PAY AN ASTRONOMICAL FEE FOR MEDICAL SCHOOL AND THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU ONE BIT.

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    Ok, I'll bite....

    If you were able to match a Prelim year, shouldn't you have good chances at matching for a residency the next year? You're saying doing a Prelim year vs. NOT matching at all results in a WORSE outcome for matching??

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    Yeah, I feel like we are missing something from the story here. A prelim year is not ideal, but it beats the ever-living hell out of not having a job after graduation, and it can serve as a pathway to residency if you take advantage of it. Regardless, it is definitely a time to bust oneīs bottom and make sure that there is a PGY2 position in the offing. The idea that a Carib (or any foreign) medical school is going to guide graduates by the hand through the match process is laughable, at best. (FWIW, this reminds me of when the admin at my medical school said something similar. We asked how many graduates from the English program were currently working as doctors... like, anywhere. Without hesitation, the Head Secretary shook her head and said "Oh, hardly any." Sweeeeeet.)

    Further, the idea that "you have no real say in the matter" is hogwash. Further still, why is the OPīs handle "FormerDoc" if s/he is a functioning intern?

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    Quote Originally Posted by devildoc8404 View Post
    Yeah, I feel like we are missing something from the story here. A prelim year is not ideal, but it beats the ever-living hell out of not having a job after graduation, and it can serve as a pathway to residency if you take advantage of it. Regardless, it is definitely a time to bust oneīs bottom and make sure that there is a PGY2 position in the offing. The idea that a Carib (or any foreign) medical school is going to guide graduates by the hand through the match process is laughable, at best. (FWIW, this reminds me of when the admin at my medical school said something similar. We asked how many graduates from the English program were currently working as doctors... like, anywhere. Without hesitation, the Head Secretary shook her head and said "Oh, hardly any." Sweeeeeet.)

    Further, the idea that "you have no real say in the matter" is hogwash. Further still, why is the OPīs handle "FormerDoc" if s/he is a functioning intern?
    The guy/gal is letting out his/her frustration with AUC and is probably right regarding the clinicals (Im not a student there) but also read stories like this one.

    devildoc8404...did you attend medical school in Bulgaria? My home countryyyyy, I miss it!

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    Да, аз учих в БГ. There are a lot of things that I miss about it (gorgeous countryside, wonderful friends, amazing food, history, culture), and plenty of things that I do NOT miss about it (apathetic admin, screwy government, perpetually postponed maintenance, post-communist mentalities, disorganization). It is an amazing place, though!

    I get the frustration. Really, I do. I just think that trying to blame that situation (getting a prelim internship year) on the school is a bit ridiculous. Being surprised to learn that the school has a lot of grads who do not place into residency simply shows that someone did not do their homework before deciding to study in the Carib. I mean, come on... these are money-making enterprises. What makes a better marketing point, the Steps pass rate, or the Match rate?

    I will wager that any one of the people who did not match this past year would trade place with the OP for a prelim position in a nanosecond.

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    There seems to be some confusion here regarding the message I was trying to send.

    1. I am not saying that getting a prelim year is worse than getting going unmatched, it is a far more advantageous. However, there are hundreds and hundreds or prelim spots, and getting any prelim spot (as I did) does not mean you are going to get a full time spot the following year (as I did not).

    2. I definitely know that I am luckier than the people who did not match at all initially.

    3. You are right, at 20 years old I did not do my homework as well as I should have regarding the match rates coming out of AUC. In fact the whole point of the post was to warn people considering coming to AUC about doing your homework. I wanted others to know that just because you study hard and honor all of your clinical rotations, you are in no way shape or form guaranteed anything. With more and more applicants in the match each year, and the number of spots unchanging or decreasing each year the match data on foreign graduates is looking much worse and worse. See the NRMPs website on match rates over even the last four years. This year was an all time high with 1200 unmatched people.

    4. While I am upset with AUC the issue of blaming them is not rationale, and I know that. The issue is that they can not return any of my phone calls or emails. I feel that for the price I paid going to that school, how hard would if be for one of the faculty just to talk to me for 20 minutes on the phone and give me some guidance. I

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    Oh, wow... I so feel your pain on the lack of communication, and I was not at AUC.

    I do not think that I ever once got an email response from admin at my school. They would talk with me on the phone (if I could catch them, which was a rarity), but it was impossible to get a call back, an email response, etc. Then again, that is a Bulgarian cultural thing... and I do not think that AUC is run by Bulgarians! I do not know what their excuse is.

    Regardless, hang in there. I totally wish you the best in getting a PGY2 position.
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    why do you think the school has any responsiblity to you now?
    you said you did a prelim last year...uh, why are THEY not helping you? in fact why could your prelim program not give you a cat spot? it happens alo...you prove yourself in a prelim spot and talk to your PD about staying and they will generally want to keep someone that they know...know how they work, know that they are a team player, know that is eager to learn...OR if a spot isn't available, that they will pick up a phone for you and call someone who may have a spot available

    why aren't you asking the PD or the attendings in your prelim program for help on how to maximize your application?...they are going to have WAY more contacts in US residency programs than AUC (or any caribbean med school).

    it would be nice if the caribbean med school had the network and support that US med schools have, but it isn't news (or at least should not be)that they do not.

    look around, esp now...have your previous PD reach out for you...this is the time when unexpectred opening come up...people have visa issue, change their mind, have to leave, etc, also mid aug is a time for unexpected openings...the 45 days required by the nrmp is up then (leaving earlier can be a match violation).
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    What specialty/specialties were you trying to match? How did CK and CS go?

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    I totally empathize with anyone who is stuck in that horrible position of major debt and no residency. And the school does need to help establish pipelines to better place the grads. HOWEVER, the take home message for prospective students who plan to work hard and do well on standardized tests, is not to avoid the university altogether. But rather, have a safer match strategy, (choose the IM route for example). IM allows lots of career options with primary care, hospitalist, and specialist as options. Taking a gamble with a prelim position in a competitive field is just that, a gamble. With that said, I wish the best of luck to the original poster.

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