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    Step 1 clinicals and 2013 match timeline

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    Hey guys. Im writing the step 1 July 15th 2011. I should have my score back around august 5th. I'm guessing there's no way I can start clinicals (in the US) before mid to late September due the number of spots and the number of people who will have their results in before me. My question is how much trouble will I have matching in 2013 because of this? Is it worth going to the UK if I can start a month earlier? Any input appreciated in advance!!
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    The UK is filling fast these days too. I wouldn't expect to start there before late September/early October as well. (I took step in March and not starting in UK until August) How that affects things for the Match, I don't know. But good luck to you! Once you are on this side of things, the school certainly doesn't help at all in getting things processed.
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    It will probably late September or early October before you can start clinicals in the US. I don't really know about the UK and how busy it is, but I know of people who are getting ready to start over there and I also know several people who are already over there and should be finishing up soon. You shouldn't have a problem matching in 2013 as long as you don't take time off here and there between rotations. You have to do 72 weeks of clinicals and if you start by October then you should be fine including a couple of months to play with. The bigger issue is taking Step 2 CK and having those results in time to submit them when ERAS opens at the beginning of September. Because you are not allowed to take CK before finishing your core rotations, that will be the thing to focus on when getting your rotations set up. In order to have the results back by the beginning of September, you would have to take the exam in early August, so you need to finish your cores before that. Just keep that in mind when scheduling your 3rd year and try to get cores done first without having electives in between. If you need to go to the UK to start cores earlier, then that is something you have to consider. Right now, focus on studying for step and getting through that and then once you have finished that worry about clinical stuff. No point in spending any time or energy on anything but step right now because there isn't anything you can do about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rfisher View Post
    The UK is filling fast these days too. I wouldn't expect to start there before late September/early October as well. (I took step in March and not starting in UK until August) How that affects things for the Match, I don't know. But good luck to you! Once you are on this side of things, the school certainly doesn't help at all in getting things processed.
    That's a shame to hear. If its true that the school isnt helpful post
    Basic sciences I dont understand why. People talk and lots of potential students choose alternative schools to attend. Are you going to the UK by choice or because there were no spots in the united states during the 5 month period between step and the UK?
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    I started in the UK in September 2010 for all my cores and am going for the 2012 match. I will have Step 2 completed before September 1st of this year. I have my electives scheduled back to back ending in April 2012, in time for graduation.

    It's doable, but you have to make sure you get your electives sorted out as early as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol_121 View Post
    I started in the UK in September 2010 for all my cores and am going for the 2012 match. I will have Step 2 completed before September 1st of this year. I have my electives scheduled back to back ending in April 2012, in time for graduation.

    It's doable, but you have to make sure you get your electives sorted out as early as possible.
    Didnt realize the electives were the tricky part! Figured starting clinicals in sept would make it hard to get step 2 in before sept. Certainly appreciate the glimmer of hope!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiger1 View Post
    Because you are not allowed to take CK before finishing your core rotations, that will be the thing to focus on when getting your rotations set up. In order to have the results back by the beginning of September, you would have to take the exam in early August, so you need to finish your cores before that. Just keep that in mind when scheduling your 3rd year and try to get cores done first without having electives in between.
    Unless things have changed and I am not aware of it, this is not true. There were many people in my class who took Step 2 without finishing their cores. Maybe not the best idea in the world, but most of them were fine.

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    Hey guys. Im writing the step 1 July 15th 2011. I should have my score back around august 5th. I'm guessing there's no way I can start clinicals (in the US) before mid to late September due the number of spots and the number of people who will have their results in before me. My question is how much trouble will I have matching in 2013 because of this? Is it worth going to the UK if I can start a month earlier? Any input appreciated in advance!!
    Every year, people are worried that there won't be enough spots for them to start clinicals on time and every year, there are. Maybe things will be different this year, but I very much doubt it. When you can start really depends on how picky you are. If you're willing to travel, you can usually get things going very quickly. Either way though, even if you don't start until October, you can finish in 2013. I think I started my cores in mid-august 2009, I took a month off to study for the step, and I was still finished this past February.

    Yes, electives are the tricky part to schedule, especially if you want to any good hospital that AUC's not affiliated with. Even if you stay in AUC's affiliated hospitals, getting the "required electives" such as neuro and family can be difficult. Do try to get on that as early as possible. As I said above, unless things have changed, you can take step 2 whenever you want, even if you have not finished cores. My advice to you, if still possible, would be to take the cores that you think would be useful for your future career and then try to schedule electives as early as possible. In many cases, it's the electives where you'll get your best letters of recommendation, and you need to get them started well before September! One of the things that really hurt me in the match was having my application in late, and it was because I got my letters late since I needed to do electives to get the letters I wanted. In my case, I should have done surgery and IM (since they're the big ones and you often can't schedule electives without them), and then done my ER electives. Peds and ob/gyn could have waited until later.

    As said above though, just concentrate on your Step studying right now...everything else will fall into place, and there's nothing you can do about it at the moment anyway. Don't worry about timing...you'll be fine.
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    The Step 2 thing changed this year where they won't let you take it until you're done with all your cores. Apparently, they found a way to block students from registering or getting the scheduling permit or whatever before you're done (Not 100% sure of the how since it didn't apply to me, but did to others I know). You have to petition MEAS to take it and even then you have to fly out to Providence to take a clinical sciences comp to prove you can pass to get around it.

    To echo Slevit, start looking at electives as soon as you get your core schedule set up. Especially if you're thinking of going into a semi or very competitive field.

    BUT like others said, don't panic yet. Focus on rocking the Step now and worry about clinical scheduling once you're done.

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    Family and Neuro are no longer required (as of the updated handbook that just came out); however, a new rule was stuck in stating that you can only do 8 weeks of electives at any ONE non-affiliated hospital. So, if your best LORs are from electives, but you need to have a Step 2 score by Sept 1 for a complete application, it seems like the timing thing will be an issue, even for the class that just left - especially if Step 1 scores will be held until mid July for a bunch of students due to the changes in the test that were announced a few weeks ago. Overly concerned or rightfully concerned?
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    One thing I've wanted to know...
    what if you finish the 72 weeks of clinicals several months before you graduate? Do you have to pay back the loans before you are able to graduate, or can you take additional weeks of elective rotations(which I guess would result in paying even more money >_>)
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