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    Rejected From AUC Today....your thoughts

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    I got a rejection letter today from AUC and was a bit disappointed. For anyone who cares to comment, either because you have applied, are planning to apply, or have been accepted, please do share your thoughts...just be kind please!

    My stats:

    B.S. degree in Biology (cummulative undergraduate GPA = 3.40)
    (Undergraduate science GPA hovered around 3.1)
    B.S. degree in Aviation (cummulative GPA = 3.47)
    M.B.A advanced degree (cummulative GPA = 3.73)
    M.S. in Engineering (cummulative GPA = 3.21)

    MCAT (taken once) = 17S (6 **, 6 PS, 5 VR, S Essay)

    Yes, I know my MCAT is low, I admit that. I do not believe it will shift by much. I have spent quite a bit of time on a Kaplan course and honestly feel there are a sufficient amount of "subjective" type questions that are mere guessing games to say the least that can heavily skew even a fairly bright person's raw scores. How people get 30+ in the US is a mystery to me.

    Anyways, I was told that the minimum cutoff for AUC is a 19, with an 8 on the Biological Sciences section. It's really too bad that they give an automatic rejection based on the poor (yes I admit) MCAT score alone. I felt that other parts of my application are fairly strong given the GPA and advanced degrees.

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    if you truly feel medicine is your calling, then you need to put in the time/effort to raise that mcat. hate to be blunt, but if 17 is your best shot, then you have to wonder if you have what it takes...

    no problems with your gpa at all, but they have to set the bar somewhere. good luck
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    Mcat

    I absolutely agree that standardized test scores are used to "equalize" everyone on one scale and hence exams such as the MCAT. I also agree that the 17 score is well below acceptable levels. No problems with any critical comments there. However, here are my observations (not that I am trying to change the system...obviously that's the way they think).

    The MCAT seems to have 2 types of broadly categorized questions from my first attempt: Objective questions that tests ones ability to recall scientific phenomenon and/or manipulation of formulas (especially in PS section). These type of questions one can prepare for by taking an intense preparation course such as Kaplan.

    The second type of question is the tough one, which I categorize as "subjective" in nature. In the ** and PS sections there are enough of these questions that seem to NOT rely on prior knowledge per say, but rather the ability to quickly skim a passage, go back and pick out a very specific sentence or statistic that is then used to deduce or infer a conclusion. These type of questions are rather tough in the sense that various logical answers may be interpreted by various individuals who take the test. There is no true one answer but rather various good ones. However, it is a multiple choice test and hence the test maker has one answer in mind. It may not in reality be the ONLY answer though in a more realistic rational sense.

    The VR section is full of these "inference" type of questions. As a hypothetical scenario, if one was to give current medical students a mini-block exam immediately after they have been given a lecture in which they must skim the material and are not given any opportunity to study or review the material, then the failure rate would be astounding. However, that is exactly the speed reading mentality that the MCAT tests.

    I agree that standardized tests do serve a purpose to compare people from various backgrounds on one level. However, the manner in which this test is conducted should be heavily skewed towards "objective" type questions that truly test the ability to take years of material learned and use it on a test (similar to USMLE Step 1).

    I also find it very interesting that the correlation between undergraduate grades and MCAT shows a wide variation in results. Many who have 3.0+ science GPA's with low MCATs, and others with low grades but high MCATS. Enough that it makes me wonder that there are other type of non-tangible skills that are inherently present in individuals that are being tapped into on this exam. Is it necessary to have these skills as an absolute to be a physican. NO WAY....to many exceptions to this supposed rule. But that's the way these committees think. Too Bad.

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    Please don't feel bad and please don't be disapointed.
    My MCAT scores were low, also, however, that did not stop me from getting accepted to a medical school.
    I got accepted, performed exceptionally well and proved the MCAT totally wrong!
    What you have to remember, the majority of those "standardized tests - i.e. MCAT, LSAT, GRE, are biased. They are designed to "wean" you out from the start. They are not "tailored" to your favor! Oh, well, so what - nothing regarding getting into medical school is!
    All of my medical school grades so far have been Passes (P), High Passes (HP) and Honors (H). I have performed way better than even some of my fellow classmates who came in with exceptionally high MCAT scores that were literally through the roof!

    Refocus, Replan and keep trying. The key to success in med school is to never give up! There is always other options, and there are always other ways to conquer a thing. Apply to every other caribbean medical school that may be of interest to you.
    In the most encouraging words of my mother: Apply to all of them! Leave no stone (medical school) unturned. You only need 1 (One) acceptance letter!

    Be Blessed and Don't Give Up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by seattle View Post
    I got a rejection letter today from AUC and was a bit disappointed. For anyone who cares to comment, either because you have applied, are planning to apply, or have been accepted, please do share your thoughts...just be kind please!

    My stats:

    B.S. degree in Biology (cummulative undergraduate GPA = 3.40)
    (Undergraduate science GPA hovered around 3.1)
    B.S. degree in Aviation (cummulative GPA = 3.47)
    M.B.A advanced degree (cummulative GPA = 3.73)
    M.S. in Engineering (cummulative GPA = 3.21)

    MCAT (taken once) = 17S (6 **, 6 PS, 5 VR, S Essay)

    Yes, I know my MCAT is low, I admit that. I do not believe it will shift by much. I have spent quite a bit of time on a Kaplan course and honestly feel there are a sufficient amount of "subjective" type questions that are mere guessing games to say the least that can heavily skew even a fairly bright person's raw scores. How people get 30+ in the US is a mystery to me.

    Anyways, I was told that the minimum cutoff for AUC is a 19, with an 8 on the Biological Sciences section. It's really too bad that they give an automatic rejection based on the poor (yes I admit) MCAT score alone. I felt that other parts of my application are fairly strong given the GPA and advanced degrees.
    I would have not guessed that you'd be accepted with that MCAT. There are not really that many subjective questions on the MCAT (if any), particularly in the science sections. In fact, from what I remember, it's pretty much straight memorization for a lot of the science. The questions are surely not "mere guessing games." You don't need a 30+ in the caribbean, but you do definitely need something in the 20's. Sorry to be blunt, but a 17 is well below average and it's really a little disturbing that you're trying to defend that score by saying the questions aren't good.

    As Kemper said, if a score in the teens is really the best you can do, you need to think hard about if you'd be able to handle medical school and the USMLE. There is a definite correlation between MCAT performance and USMLE performance, and if you can't get in the 20's on the MCAT after an honest effort, I have no idea how you'd even approach a passing score on the step.

    After reading your second post:
    You're way off base. You have not even been accepted to med school and you are already talking about what the questions will be like on the step! It is common in med school to have a couple possibly correct answers, but only one best choice. It's also common in medicine to have multiple possible diagnoses, but only one that's right. You have to be able to figure out why the one best answer is right, and the others are not.

    There are tons of reasons that MCATS and GPAs might not match up, and I'm pretty sure none of them are the MCAT people trying to trick you. Some people take easy majors, some go to easier colleges or have easier professors, some people study hard for class and procrastinate the MCAT, etc. etc. etc.

    Stop trying to make excuses for why you did poorly (your excuses really are not valid) and if you really want to be a doctor, think about what you can do to improve your scores.
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    Hi "dr2rlr"....thank your for the kind words of encouragement. It definitely helps to have constructive comments rather than replies such as "do you really think you can hack it". Honestly, YES I am medical school material. I have 4 degrees (2 advanced degrees from TOP US institutions) where I earned well over the 3.00 marker. So, yes I am a good student. It's just that I didn't do well on the MCAT. I am in a Kaplan course right now and hopefully can at least raise it into the 20's (I guess that's what is reasonable for the Admissions Committee at AUC). I just wish I had been given more consideration given the other strong parts to my application.

    Again, thanks for the kind words of encouragement. They help!

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    well like it or not, a life in medicine will require taking standardized tests for the rest of your life....step I, II, III, board certification, and recertification every 10 years....

    and this is not to start the whole MCAT as a predictor of USMLE performance... the realty is that it IS the way ad coms value MCATscores...and the questions on these later tests are not just straight memory test...you WILL have those questions that you call subjective...they utilize the base knowledge that you develop for you to figure out the answer...and there WILL be more than one right answer, but they are looking for the BEST answer...

    best thing you can do is do questions, questions, and more questions...then when you have done as many questions as you think you need, do more questions and retake the MCAT and reapply....


    but sorry, just because you are a perpetual student does NOT necessarily make you "medical school material"....(and come on! your graduate GPAs are not that fantastic...medicore gGPAs from "top" schools are not viewed better than a great gGPA from a medicore school) its great that you can do well in classes, but that is NOT what is all med school is about...like slevit stated, the will be different dx with multiple right answers and your job as a physician will be to figure out the BEST answer...there are plenty of people who do well in the book learning portion on med school and completely flop when they get to clinicals...

    and your test taking ablities will even guide who gives you a residency interview...programs want to know that you will pass the boards and it will reflect on them...people who have a trend of not passing the steps are seen as not being able to pass the boards...
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    ugh....i can already see where this is headed
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    i suggest you study for your mcat again and then reapply. your mcat was really low. if you can get it higher, your chances of acceptance will be higher
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    USMLE Step 1

    There is a 0.1 correlation approximately between MCAT and USMLE Step 1 and a 0.8 correlation between medical school performance and board exams from studies conducted by several schools. The MCAT and USMLE share a commonality only in that they are both standardized exams, however very different in the type of skills they test and are truly very different types of exams.

    USMLE tests the ability to synthesize, regurgitate, and in some cases interpret data and graphs. This requires one to remember vast amounts of knowledge but most of medical school is memorizing fact after fact; whether it be Pharmacology, Pathology, Anatomy or whatever.

    Now according to US med schools no one below a 30 MCAT usually is expected to pass the USMLE. However, many go to Caribbean schools and usually have sub 30 MCATs. Now many of those after we take attrition into account pass the steps with scores over 200. So, implying that I should reconsider seriously my path to medicine is ludicrous. However, offering that I seriously take a Kaplan course and reapply myself to raise it into the 20's is a resonable comment and I do take that as a constructive comment.

    A subpar student does not earn 2 advanced degrees from major US reputable Universities if he/she does not have what it takes to make it in Medical School. I have 17 doctors in the family, with many at major teaching hospitals in the US. So, I have grown up around it all my life. I know what it takes to make it through Medical School, including the Steps, Clinicals and Residency programs.

    I am not defending that a 17 is a good score by any means. It is very low. But I am saying that a sub 20 score on an MCAT in no way means that the individual cannot cut it at AUC or any other school for that matter or even pass the steps. Why? Because I personally know many who have hovered around a 20 on the MCATs, persisted in Medical School in the Caribbean and all got over 200 on the USMLE

    Conclusion: I would strongly say that that MCAT is merely a standardized exam and just that. It is not an absolute predictor of USMLE pass rates.

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