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    So according to the new final exam schedule for next semester, 4th semester will be taking the pharm shelf as their final exam, which makes me wonder two things:
    1. How many shelfs are future AUC students going to be required to take as part of a class grade....
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    2. When do people who take a shelf exam as their final, know whether they passed a class or not (given that it's part of their grade).

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    This could get interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrFire99 View Post
    So according to the new final exam schedule for next semester, 4th semester will be taking the pharm shelf as their final exam, which makes me wonder two things:
    1. How many shelfs are future AUC students going to be required to take as part of a class grade....
    and
    2. When do people who take a shelf exam as their final, know whether they passed a class or not (given that it's part of their grade).
    Yup, it sure is exciting. I say lets have a shelf for every class as a final. And let's do it all one one day too. Also, if they don't have a shelf for something like biostats or medical ethics we oughta call up the board and have them right those. Life gets more exciting every semester.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkie View Post
    This could get interesting.
    Ugh, I don't envy you guys at all. It was hard enough taking them all in 5th semester but at least we had Kaplan helping us. The knowledge and information can be "sticky" for some classes not really helping to learn the overall information well that the NBME.

    It's cool Admin wasn't to approach it from that aspect but it still punishes students because you have exams like Physio I which are totally unrelated to how questions are asked on the shelf exams.

    So to admin reading this (even if you hate this board).... get rid of the negatively worded questions and adopt the NBME style questioning. Learning how to read questions and understand wording and syntax will be more of an asset than hiring professors to profess knowledge at an inflated price.

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    we had to take them at the begining of the semester...they are no big deal..you learn the material take the shelf and move on. i say the more exams that come directky from the people that write the boards the better prepared we will be taking the real thing. like shik said some classes like physio you spend some of your time during the test figuring out what is being asked and not the way the real questions are worded.

    but there will ALLWAYS be someone to complian..when there are no shelf exams people whine because the tests are not 'usmle style' when they put the shelfs people wil complain that they are too hard..i am starting to understand why our schools go through deans so quick! just can't win

    that being said, as much as i hated those exams, as much as i complained about it during my time there my physio shelf was my second highest right after path and to this day i still use some of the diagrams he made us look at so i will say you learn the stuff well..now how much of that is good teaching vs studying for fear of failure is up for debate but i know i learned the material and in the end that is what counts
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    shelfs are good because the questions are coming from the same people who will be giving your steps....

    it will give you a heads up on what to expect on the bigger exams and forces you to prepare for step 1....

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssyrianSkipper View Post
    shelfs are good because the questions are coming from the same people who will be giving your steps....

    it will give you a heads up on what to expect on the bigger exams and forces you to prepare for step 1....

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    that's very true. it'll help in the long run. just start doing questions from books like pretest.
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    It's funny that when I left, they had made the shelf exams optional for the semester behind me optional. So, I assume a bunch of people didn't even take most of the shelf exams who were in that 5th semester class. Now they are part of the final exam. I personally liked the Kaplan review 5th semester and to have the shelf exams then.
    Like people said before, they are written by the same people who write step I, so why not use them during your board preparation. I feel sorry for you guys because you will be taking all those in house exams, studying powerpoints and what not, then have to take a standardized board style exam with only preparation from the class. I think you have to study differently for shelf exams and with different material. I think the best solution is to get ahold of kaplan book for whatever shelf you have to take and try to follow along in that, as well as keep up with your class notes. BTW, I thought kaplan pharm was a great book, and it's in english.
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    I think you have to study differently for shelf exams and with different material.
    Of course the question is why are we not being taught the right material. I thought we're paying for preparation for the USMLE..

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    I prefer having the majority of the shelf exams fifth semester. This is the time I am trying to review and really get fully prepared for the boards. I know I answer questions differently now that I see the material in the light of a fifth semester rather than a first or second semester. For example, answering genetics questions is easier after I have taken genetics, seen the disorders in pathology, reviewed the material again in BBCM, and then take the shelf.

    The best way to really see if it is better to take the shelves during early semesters and fifth semester would be to have both groups take the shelves and then compare the results. Someone could potentially have lots of fun analyzing numbers.

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